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Post by Nessie on Jan 5, 2022 20:51:25 GMT
Nessie wrote: Mengele's son asked him about the atrocities he was accused of committing. He denied such accusations which would include him selecting individuals for the gas chamber. Are you saying that Mengele DIDN'T deny the atrocity accusations? BTW, Mengele's journals were put up for auction and a rich Jew bought them. He has kept them hidden since then. What is the likelihood of those journals being kept secret if they were incriminating? Right, just about zero. As far as "every single Nazi" why don't you present some quotes from Hans Rudel or some of his friends from Argentina? Why no depositions from displaced National Socialists? Oh, that's right, Nessie only accepts testimony from those in allied captivity and/or on trial. That way he gets to hear only what he wants to hear.
To defend your Nazi clients, you need a Nazi who will speak to having worked inside the AR camps or A-B Kremas, who states that they were not used for gassings and what happened instead.
Name and quote your Nazi. Or, admit to the court you have no witness for the defence.
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Post by Ulios on Jan 5, 2022 21:00:22 GMT
This is just what Nessie thinks the rules of evidence should be. He then goes on to demand it. LOL
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 5, 2022 21:08:08 GMT
Nessie has NO reliable/believable witnesses to the workings of the alleged death camp but demands that we produce witnesses to how the Jews were murdered. Well, there's Heinrich Gley but his testimony that cadavers were used to cremate cadavers is an impossibility.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 5, 2022 21:20:45 GMT
Nessie has NO reliable/believable witnesses to the workings of the alleged death camp but demands that we produce witnesses to how the Jews were murdered. Well, there's Heinrich Gley but his testimony that cadavers were used to cremate cadavers is an impossibility. Since your clients have all admitted to the crimes, with, for most, there is no evidence of any form of coercion and you cannot find one single witness to speak to something else other than gassings happening and there is other evidence that gassings, mass burials and cremations happened, the verdict is a slam dunk guilty one.
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Post by đđđ¨đđ on Jan 5, 2022 21:23:39 GMT
If it is a political trial, there is not really much that you can do other than to play along and hope that your client is deemed more favorable and more cooperative than the other baddies being accused. Political trials start with vague abstractions for the charges. Say, calling the January 6th, 2020 protestors "Terrorists," for example. War Crimes Trials are like that unless they can be pretty specific about the crimes and the customs or statutes violated.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 5, 2022 21:37:07 GMT
The AR camp trials of the late 1950s to the 1970s, were by Germans, in West Germany and were the perfect opportunity for Germans to reveal what did happen inside those places. Every single Nazi admitted there were gassings. No evidence was presented at any of the trials, that something else had happened. None of the Germans involved ever admitted they were part of a hoax. No one came forward to say what did happen.
To believe that those Germans and the trials were part of a Holocaust hoax conspiracy, is to believe the earth if flat or the moon is made of cheese.
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 5, 2022 22:31:44 GMT
Nessie wrote:
To believe that those trials were anything but show trials is to believe that the earth is flat and the moon is made of cheese.
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Post by đđđ¨đđ on Jan 6, 2022 6:21:55 GMT
The AR camp trials of the late 1950s to the 1970s, were by Germans, in West Germany and were the perfect opportunity for Germans to reveal what did happen inside those places. Every single Nazi admitted there were gassings. No evidence was presented at any of the trials, that something else had happened. None of the Germans involved ever admitted they were part of a hoax. No one came forward to say what did happen. To believe that those Germans and the trials were part of a Holocaust hoax conspiracy, is to believe the earth if flat or the moon is made of cheese. The founding mythology for the postwar governments of the defeated nations was determined by the Victors and their postwar collaborators. This founding mythos was that the defeated powers unilaterally started the war and were ruled by a criminal regime during that war. It was the last Good War since the "Good Guys" won it. There was simply no way to argue that the Nazis were not criminal since they were the ones who lost the war. The Holocaust narrative is used to this day all over the world to shield Jews from criticism and to break down Western cultural barriers in favor of an anarcho-tyrannic babel of Third World demographics suitable for cosmopolitan Jews to control Thought in an Orwellian context. This means that an anti-Semite is not one who dislikes Jews but someone whom Jews dislike. About the only thing worse than calling out and criticizing a Jew is to actually kill a violent Negro in self-defense. Debating the Holocaust in good faith strips this dogma bare. That is why it is so important, and why it is rarely if ever allowed to happen. In fact, we are a LONG way for that debate ever happening in academia, which since WWII has become increasingly infused and now saturated with Woke Globalism and Cultural Bolshevism â and especially in countries like modern Germany where an honest evaluation of WWII questions like War Guilt and the relations between Gentiles and Jews are set-piece narratives that cannot be honestly challenged. 
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Post by Nessie on Jan 6, 2022 10:03:52 GMT
Nessie wrote: To believe that those trials were anything but show trials is to believe that the earth is flat and the moon is made of cheese. There is evidence to prove the people in those trials committed murder. The defence presented no evidence to alibi their clients. The defence did successfully argue at the Belzec trial that all but one of the defendants was acting under duress and they had been unwilling participants at the time, so they were acquitted.
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Post by Agandaur on Jan 6, 2022 10:07:56 GMT
There is evidence to prove the people in those trials committed murder. Murders are committed everywhere, that does not make a murder a holocaust. How many dead jews make a holocaust, it is suspected now -6 million.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 6, 2022 10:08:12 GMT
The AR camp trials of the late 1950s to the 1970s, were by Germans, in West Germany and were the perfect opportunity for Germans to reveal what did happen inside those places. Every single Nazi admitted there were gassings. No evidence was presented at any of the trials, that something else had happened. None of the Germans involved ever admitted they were part of a hoax. No one came forward to say what did happen. To believe that those Germans and the trials were part of a Holocaust hoax conspiracy, is to believe the earth if flat or the moon is made of cheese. The founding mythology for the postwar governments of the defeated nations was determined by the Victors and their postwar collaborators. This founding mythos was that the defeated powers unilaterally started the war and were ruled by a criminal regime during that war. It was the last Good War since the "Good Guys" won it. There was simply no way to argue that the Nazis were not criminal since they were the ones who lost the war. The Holocaust narrative is used to this day all over the world to shield Jews from criticism and to break down Western cultural barriers in favor of an anarcho-tyrannic babel of Third World demographics suitable for cosmopolitan Jews to control Thought in an Orwellian context. This means that an anti-Semite is not one who dislikes Jews but someone whom Jews dislike. About the only thing worse than calling out and criticizing a Jew is to actually kill a violent Negro in self-defense. Debating the Holocaust in good faith strips this dogma bare. That is why it is so important, and why it is rarely if ever allowed to happen. In fact, we are a LONG way for that debate ever happening in academia, which since WWII has become increasingly infused and now saturated with Woke Globalism and Cultural Bolshevism â and especially in countries like modern Germany where an honest evaluation of WWII questions like War Guilt and the relations between Gentiles and Jews are set-piece narratives that cannot be honestly challenged.  Germans, being tried by other Germans in West Germany, was the perfect time for those Germans to challenge lies about what had happened at the AR camps.
If the Nazis had won WWII, they would have put many Allied soldiers on trial for war crimes, such as the bombing of Dresden, but not for running a death camp system that murdered millions, because there was no evidence that the Allies did that.
You always forget about the evidence, since your beliefs are not dependent on evidence.
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Post by đđĽđđđłđ§đ¨đđŤ on Jan 6, 2022 10:12:43 GMT
You always forget about the evidence, since your beliefs are not dependent on evidence. If Nessie continues on his mantra of evidencing which is a cosmic ideal he will be confined to his Oasis where he can moderate his own demise.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 6, 2022 10:17:20 GMT
You always forget about the evidence, since your beliefs are not dependent on evidence. If Nessie continues on his mantra of evidencing which is a cosmic ideal he will be confined to his Oasis where he can moderate his own demise. Evidence is a very important and relevant part of how trials are conducted and as such, evidence is going to be referred to regularly in this thread.
The various defences that are available to an accused, such as alibi, self defence, or acting under duress, all have to be evidenced by the defence.
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 6, 2022 18:26:55 GMT
Nessie wrote:
Evidence is irrelevant in politicized show trials. As Scott said in an above post:
Your claim that the Germans were given fair trials by impartial judges is laughable.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 6, 2022 19:27:50 GMT
Nessie wrote: Evidence is irrelevant in politicized show trials. As Scott said in an above post: Your claim that the Germans were given fair trials by impartial judges is laughable. Of course you claim evidence is irrelevant, when you do not have any!
You would make an utterly useless defence lawyer.
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