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Post by Turnagain on Jun 13, 2022 0:52:27 GMT
Nessie wrote:
Wait a minute! Are the graves the ones dug with the M&H draglines or are they the ones dug by the mystery machine? Did the ex get hauled away to some unknown location by mystery machines or did a mystery machine dig the graves and build the stockpiles of ex inside the murder camp? Are Arad, ARC, CS-C heroes for declaring that the M&H draglines dug the graves or are they just some illiterates who don't know their arse from their elbows?
Your calculations are less than reliable since you calculate the area of the graves as just one giant pit and don't take into account the spaces between the graves and the area of the stockpiles of ex. In any event, were the graves dug by the M&H draglines or the mystery machine? Was the ex stockpiled inside the camp or was it hauled away to some unknown location by a mystery machine? Can't be both.
You've shown no photos of any cremated cadavers. That is, the carbonized bones that result from cremation. Simply stamping your feet and shrieking, "There were, there were" isn't sufficient evidence of cremations especially when your photos taken at Ohrdruf show only charred bodies.
I linked to evidence of where the Jews went and you refuse to look at it. Oh well, horse, water, etc.
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Post by been_there on Jun 13, 2022 20:30:14 GMT
I made no analogy. What I said was that you would support the tale of a little boy riding his tricycle to the moon if it supported the holyhoax. You repeatedly use that as an analogy to support your argument from incredulity. You are also using it as a strawman argument, where you make an unfounded claim about what I have argued. You do that because [Iām replying with nonsense] you cannot dispute my actual methodology, of assessing evidence by corroboration. You don't have evidence, so you rely on fallacies [reason, logic and reference to empirical reality] You are lying again. If a witnesses claim can be explained by normal witness behaviour, then it is wrong to merely dismiss it. It is normal for witnesses to make mistakes etc. That you then dismiss their claims based solely on that, is wrong. You take the witnesses far too literally as part of your argument from incredulity. False analogy. A witness claiming [blah, blah, blah]... Your arguments from incredulity are based on [blah, blah, blah]...Nessie has no argument. Just bluff, bravado and idiotic pretence at understanding logic.
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Post by Nessie on Jun 17, 2022 7:31:16 GMT
How have you evidenced no bodies were cremated and the cremains buried? To date no one has provided any such evidence. This is corroborated with all the other elements. Lack of technical back up. Lack of documents etc And you just completely concede the point by the way. Thus admitting to your own incompetence. You have dodged my question, because it is you who has no evidence, a point which you have just conceded.
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Post by Nessie on Jun 17, 2022 7:40:31 GMT
Nessie wrote: Wait a minute! Are the graves the ones dug with the M&H draglines or are they the ones dug by the mystery machine? Did the ex get hauled away to some unknown location by mystery machines or did a mystery machine dig the graves and build the stockpiles of ex inside the murder camp? Are Arad, ARC, CS-C heroes for declaring that the M&H draglines dug the graves or are they just some illiterates who don't know their arse from their elbows? You have conceded that the draglines can dig pits to any length or width. They are only limited to a maximum depth. No, I calculated for multiple pits. I showed plenty of space for the pits and ex. Yes it can. The Nazis could bring in more than one type of excavator and there is no reason why they could not remove some of the ex. You dodge that Belzec used a rendering machine and the 1945 camp survey reported larger identifiable body parts. Your ignorance lead you to think every body was cremated to ash on the pyres. You mean the evidence that I found, not you, of limited worker transports to Budzyn, Majdanek and Poniatowa and the mass transport that arrived at A-B from Malkinia, not TII. You have done no research at all and you have found no evidence.
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Post by Nessie on Jun 17, 2022 10:36:41 GMT
You repeatedly use that as an analogy to support your argument from incredulity. You are also using it as a strawman argument, where you make an unfounded claim about what I have argued. You do that because [Iām replying with nonsense] you cannot dispute my actual methodology, of assessing evidence by corroboration. You don't have evidence, so you rely on fallacies [reason, logic and reference to empirical reality] You are lying again. If a witnesses claim can be explained by normal witness behaviour, then it is wrong to merely dismiss it. It is normal for witnesses to make mistakes etc. That you then dismiss their claims based solely on that, is wrong. You take the witnesses far too literally as part of your argument from incredulity. False analogy. A witness claiming [blah, blah, blah]... Your arguments from incredulity are based on [blah, blah, blah]...Nessie has no argument. Just bluff, bravado and idiotic pretence at understanding logic. Give me an example of where Turnagain has provided evidence such as an eyewitness, a document, forensics etc. You will not be able to do that, because all he provides are arguments as to why he does not believe the gassing, grave and cremation claims, as described, were possible. He (and you) cannot even explain how someone not describing how something works to your own satisfaction, is an accurate indicator of truthfulness and whether something happened.
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Post by Turnagain on Jun 17, 2022 11:22:55 GMT
Nessie wrote:
Nessie is apparently claiming that I must produce a mass grave and then declare that it doesn't exist. Nessie's attempt at arithmetic is equally pitiful. He can't seem to comprehend that multiplying the area of one grave by eleven is the same as saying that there was a square grave with a 128.5 meter side. Then we have Nessie claiming that cremation is an exothermic process and anyone who says differently is merely arguing from incredulity. Life in holyhoax la-la land.
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Post by Nessie on Jun 17, 2022 12:32:12 GMT
Nessie wrote: Nessie is apparently claiming that I must produce a mass grave and then declare that it doesn't exist. No, you just need to produce evidence of undisturbed ground. I can work out how the Nazis could dig big pits inside TII, you cannot. To decide which one of us is correct requires.....what? The answer you will dodge is.....evidence!!!! You don't have any evidence, so you run back to your inability to work out how the Nazis could dig pits inside TII, as if that is the same as evidence!!!! Evidence comes from - eyewitnesses - forensics - documents - photos - physical items - circumstances Evidence is not what you think is possible or not, based on how you interpret witness descriptions.
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Post by Turnagain on Jun 17, 2022 14:12:10 GMT
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Krege, who is just as reliable as CS-C as far as determining if any mass graves exist at T-II.
Given a sufficient number of mystery machines Nessie can work out anything.
A physical impossibility is proof that something didn't happen.
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Post by Nessie on Jun 17, 2022 14:30:09 GMT
Nessie wrote: Krege, who is just as reliable as CS-C as far as determining if any mass graves exist at T-II. Why is Krege pretty much neglected as evidence by most deniers? Where are all his scan results? You need to learn the difference between what is actually physically impossible and what appears to be physically impossible based on how a witness describes what they saw. Do you understand that a witness could describe something physically possible in a way that makes it appear to be physically impossible? Do you understand that just because a witness describes something in a way that makes it appear physically impossible, that does not mean it is actually physically impossible?
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Post by Turnagain on Jun 17, 2022 14:40:16 GMT
What I said, Nessie, was that Krege is just as reliable as CS-C when claiming that there were/weren't mass graves at Treblinka.
Do you understand that your "coulda woulda" is just an effort to coverup the lies of your witnesses? All of the "coulda woulda" in the world isn't going to change an endothermic process to an exothermic one. Neither will they change a hermetically sealed gas/vacuum chamber into a vented one.
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Post by Nessie on Jun 17, 2022 14:51:55 GMT
What I said, Nessie, was that Krege is just as reliable as CS-C when claiming that there were/weren't mass graves at Treblinka. I know you did. Then you have failed to explain your reasoning when asked a simple question about his credibility. Just because a witness describes something in a way that you find too incredible to believe, does not therefore mean what they are describing did not happen. Your inability to understand basic logic and witness behaviour is why you have fallen for arguments from incredulity and think they are a form of evidence. According to your logic, if a witness cannot describe how a gun works to your satisfaction, guns are a physical impossibility.
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Post by mrolonzo on Jun 17, 2022 14:59:28 GMT
To date no one has provided any such evidence. This is corroborated with all the other elements. Lack of technical back up. Lack of documents etc And you just completely concede the point by the way. Thus admitting to your own incompetence. You have dodged my question, because it is you who has no evidence, a point which you have just conceded. Fair enough. Here is the question; "How have you evidenced no bodies were cremated and the cremains buried?" Here is the answer; The only bodies ever found were roughly the remains of 133 at Belzec and a few at Sobibor. No other remains have ever been found. Any claims of cremains have never been backed up.
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Post by mrolonzo on Jun 17, 2022 15:00:33 GMT
What I said, Nessie, was that Krege is just as reliable as CS-C when claiming that there were/weren't mass graves at Treblinka. I know you did. Then you have failed to explain your reasoning when asked a simple question about his credibility. Just because a witness describes something in a way that you find too incredible to believe, does not therefore mean what they are describing did not happen. Your inability to understand basic logic and witness behaviour is why you have fallen for arguments from incredulity and think they are a form of evidence. According to your logic, if a witness cannot describe how a gun works to your satisfaction, guns are a physical impossibility. It actually does mean it did not happen. Unless you can explain it away somehow in a way that has technical backing.
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Post by Turnagain on Jun 17, 2022 15:10:11 GMT
Neither Krege nor CS-C offer any proof of their claims. Got it yet, Nessie? Neither do I believe in the tooth fairy or Santa Claus. Do you understand the difference between magic and physical laws?
As far as your "what ifs" and "coulda woulda", sell it down the street. No buyers here.
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Post by Nessie on Jun 17, 2022 15:33:40 GMT
You have dodged my question, because it is you who has no evidence, a point which you have just conceded. Fair enough. Here is the question; "How have you evidenced no bodies were cremated and the cremains buried?" Here is the answer; The only bodies ever found were roughly the remains of 133 at Belzec and a few at Sobibor. Does that mean only 133 people died at Belzec? Backed up in what way?
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