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Post by Nessie on Jun 12, 2022 14:16:57 GMT
What hard evidence? All I get from deniers is arguments using logical fallacies.
Like documents about financial arrangements. The arrangement of the graves. The bodies actually found. The fact belzec wasn't secret. The fact that stupid stories surrounded it. the lack of bodies, the lack of a reason or a reason. Documents recording the seizure of personal items, including items people would need such as spectacles, walking sticks, underwear, is logically consistent with gassings, not resettlement. No AR camp was a secret to the locals who lived nearby. The bodies were cremated, leaving large areas of cremated remains. The reason it happened was because the Nazis wanted rid of the Jews. |
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Post by Nessie on Jun 12, 2022 14:20:16 GMT
Nessie wrote: But Nessie, all of your heroes say that the M&H excavators from T-I were used to dig and stockpile the graves. You seemed to agree with that but now you seem to be back to the mystery machine digging the graves and stockpiling the ex. Are you going to stick with a mystery machine(s) hauling the ex away from T-II or is that memory holed in favor of your original mystery excavator? Did a mystery excavator dig the graves and stockpile the ex or did the M&H draglines dig the graves and mystery machine(s) haul the ex away to the unknown stockpile? Excavators, make and model unknown, dug large pits and piled the ex next to the pits. There was plenty of space inside the camp to do that. See the pyres at Dresden and Ohrdruf. Pile meat on a BBQ, light some wood under it and leave. Vague links mean you do not have any evidence. |
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Post by Turnagain on Jun 12, 2022 14:51:06 GMT
Nessie wrote:
Nope, the graves were supposedly dug in camp II, the murder section and there wasn't enough room for both the graves, the stockpiles of ex and for the sonnderkommando's barracks and all the rest of the murder equipment. Besides, you're talking about an excavator that could build stockpiles as high as 60 feet.
There were NO cremations at Ohrdruf or Dresden.
Why is a link to a specific thread at CODOH "vague"?
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Post by mrolonzo on Jun 12, 2022 14:58:28 GMT
Like documents about financial arrangements. The arrangement of the graves. The bodies actually found. The fact belzec wasn't secret. The fact that stupid stories surrounded it. the lack of bodies, the lack of a reason or a reason. Documents recording the seizure of personal items, including items people would need such as spectacles, walking sticks, underwear, is logically consistent with gassings, not resettlement. No AR camp was a secret to the locals who lived nearby. The bodies were cremated, leaving large areas of cremated remains. The reason it happened was because the Nazis wanted rid of the Jews. No it is not. Some can be spare, extraneous or offered. Exactly. Undermining murder. No such evidence exists. The evidence that does exists of bodies showed normal operations. Nope. All records indicate the intent to not murder. |
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Post by Nessie on Jun 12, 2022 15:15:12 GMT
Nessie wrote: Nope, the graves were supposedly dug in camp II, the murder section and there wasn't enough room for both the graves, the stockpiles of ex and for the sonnderkommando's barracks and all the rest of the murder equipment. Besides, you're talking about an excavator that could build stockpiles as high as 60 feet. By my calculations there is enough space, therefore it happened. Yes there were. You suggest there is evidence, but you cannot link specifically to it. |
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Post by Nessie on Jun 12, 2022 15:16:37 GMT
You don't need to keep on repeating your arguments from incredulity, I know them well. Once you have rejected all the evidence that does not suit you, we have a camp that few arrived at, no one was killed at and then c860,000 people left!!!!
Your inability to be logical is why you keep on using fallacies and you cannot see how your claims about the evidence fall apart.
Killing people at these camps is not logical. Nor does the evidence point to it. There is evidence and motive to mass killings. |
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Post by mrolonzo on Jun 12, 2022 15:44:52 GMT
Killing people at these camps is not logical. Nor does the evidence point to it. There is evidence and motive to mass killings. There is no evidence and no motive. |
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Post by Nessie on Jun 12, 2022 15:50:22 GMT
There is evidence and motive to mass killings. There is no evidence and no motive. Yes there is. |
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Post by mrolonzo on Jun 12, 2022 15:59:19 GMT
There is no evidence and no motive. Yes there is. In fact the evidence points the other way. Which is why your claims of understanding evidence is nonsense. Which explains why you don't really want to get into the details about Pressac or any other holocaust author even though these guys are supposed to be the experts. |
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Post by Nessie on Jun 12, 2022 16:15:57 GMT
In fact the evidence points the other way. Which is why your claims of understanding evidence is nonsense. Which explains why you don't really want to get into the details about Pressac or any other holocaust author even though these guys are supposed to be the experts. Pressac was a denier, until he investigated the evidence. Mattogno, Rudolf, Butz, Faurisson etc are not experts in history. None of them can evidence what did happen inside the AR camps or A-B Kremas. |
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Post by mrolonzo on Jun 12, 2022 16:40:58 GMT
In fact the evidence points the other way. Which is why your claims of understanding evidence is nonsense. Which explains why you don't really want to get into the details about Pressac or any other holocaust author even though these guys are supposed to be the experts. Pressac was a denier, until he investigated the evidence. Mattogno, Rudolf, Butz, Faurisson etc are not experts in history. None of them can evidence what did happen inside the AR camps or A-B Kremas. Pressac is a pharmacist, and what he says he believed is irrelevant. Point thus refuted. |
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Post by Nessie on Jun 12, 2022 17:02:06 GMT
Pressac was a denier, until he investigated the evidence. Mattogno, Rudolf, Butz, Faurisson etc are not experts in history. None of them can evidence what did happen inside the AR camps or A-B Kremas. Pressac is a pharmacist, and what he says he believed is irrelevant. Point thus refuted. The only accurate, credible method for determining what happened in the past, is evidence. Your repeated assertions that you have evidence of what happened, are lies. Holocaust denial is based on lies, lying that there is no evidence of mass gassings and lying that there is evidence as to what did happen. |
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Post by mrolonzo on Jun 12, 2022 17:14:29 GMT
Pressac is a pharmacist, and what he says he believed is irrelevant. Point thus refuted. The only accurate, credible method for determining what happened in the past, is evidence. Your repeated assertions that you have evidence of what happened, are lies. Holocaust denial is based on lies, lying that there is no evidence of mass gassings and lying that there is evidence as to what did happen. And now you've conceded that point. I told you the evidence. It's quite clear. No bodies is corroborated with the documents and the arrangements of graves found in excavations. Plus of course that Pressac's claims were incompetent and actually demonstrated the lack of a holocaust. |
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Post by Nessie on Jun 12, 2022 18:34:20 GMT
The only accurate, credible method for determining what happened in the past, is evidence. Your repeated assertions that you have evidence of what happened, are lies. Holocaust denial is based on lies, lying that there is no evidence of mass gassings and lying that there is evidence as to what did happen. And now you've conceded that point. I told you the evidence. It's quite clear. No bodies is corroborated with the documents and the arrangements of graves found in excavations. Plus of course that Pressac's claims were incompetent and actually demonstrated the lack of a holocaust. How have you evidenced no bodies were cremated and the cremains buried? |
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Post by mrolonzo on Jun 12, 2022 19:44:53 GMT
And now you've conceded that point. I told you the evidence. It's quite clear. No bodies is corroborated with the documents and the arrangements of graves found in excavations. Plus of course that Pressac's claims were incompetent and actually demonstrated the lack of a holocaust. How have you evidenced no bodies were cremated and the cremains buried? To date no one has provided any such evidence. This is corroborated with all the other elements. Lack of technical back up. Lack of documents etc And you just completely concede the point by the way. Thus admitting to your own incompetence. |
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