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Post by Turnagain on Jul 24, 2022 2:15:29 GMT
Nessie declares that the expatriate Germans should have done what he wanted. Stand with a stiff upper lip and accept whatever sentence the Jew's marsupial escapades decided to hand out. Anyone who didn't agree got their balls kicked off. Geez, what could be more reasonable than that?
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Post by Nessie on Jul 24, 2022 9:17:26 GMT
Nessie declares that the expatriate Germans should have done what he wanted. Stand with a stiff upper lip and accept whatever sentence the Jew's marsupial escapades decided to hand out. Anyone who didn't agree got their balls kicked off. Geez, what could be more reasonable than that? You are not making sense. When the requests were made to extradite the Nazis, why did they not present the Argentinian, Brazilian or Chilean governments with the evidence that would have prevented their extradition? That is how extradition works. The German or other court applies for extradition and presents their evidence of the crime under investigation. The person to be extradited can present their evidence as to why they are innocent or otherwise should not be extradited.
When Nazis were at risk of being kidnapped and taken to trial, there was even more reason why it would be in their interests to ensure exculpatory evidence to prove their innocence and what had happened was available. None of them did that. The obvious and evidenced reason for that, is there was no such evidence. They were guilty.
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Post by Turnagain on Jul 24, 2022 9:31:05 GMT
Show precisely in the international extradition agreements how the Germans could have avoided extradition by simply denying the charges against them.
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Post by Nessie on Jul 24, 2022 9:45:34 GMT
Show precisely in the international extradition agreements how the Germans could have avoided extradition by simply denying the charges against them. That is not what I said, I specifically said that extradition hearings gave the Nazis the opportunity to present the evidence to prove what did happen and that there were no mass murders inside the AR camps and A-B Kremas. They may not be able to show the hearing the actual evidence, but they would be able to say where that evidence was located.
For example, when Stangl was extradited in 1967 for his role at TII, why did he not tell the Brazilian authorities that there was evidence TII was a transit camp and that evidence could be found in archives recording arrivals from TII, or the TII camp records were located at, or witnesses to what did happen could be found at?
The same applies to all the other Nazis extradited, why did they do nothing to present evidence of their innocence to the South Americans, who had been sheltering them and so prevent extradition?
The answer is that there was no such evidence and they were guilty.
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Post by Turnagain on Jul 24, 2022 10:33:52 GMT
I asked you to provide the sections of the international extradition treaties signed by those various companies that spell out the rights of people under threat of extradition. IOW, let's see some proof for your claim that the Germans could have avoided extradition by simply denying the charges against them.
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Post by Nessie on Jul 24, 2022 12:08:48 GMT
I asked you to provide the sections of the international extradition treaties signed by those various companies that spell out the rights of people under threat of extradition. IOW, let's see some proof for your claim that the Germans could have avoided extradition by simply denying the charges against them. I did not say they could avoid extradition by simply denying the charges. Read what I said again.
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Post by Turnagain on Jul 24, 2022 20:11:37 GMT
Nessie wrote:
Again, what sections of the international extradition treaties signed by the various states allowed the Germans to prove their innocence and avoid extradition? Be specific. Your suppositions aren't facts.
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Post by Nessie on Jul 25, 2022 7:52:10 GMT
Nessie wrote: Again, what sections of the international extradition treaties signed by the various states allowed the Germans to prove their innocence and avoid extradition? Be specific. Your suppositions aren't facts. Show me an extradition procedure that allows people to be sent to another country when they can provide evidence that the crime they are accused of did not happen.
Here is the UKs extradition process;
"The judge must be satisfied that the conduct amounts to an extradition offence (dual criminality), that there is prima facie evidence of guilt (where applicable and in accusation cases), and that none of the bars to extradition apply, including that extradition would not breach the personโs human rights."
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Post by Turnagain on Jul 25, 2022 9:34:45 GMT
The UK isn't Argentina. Show explicitly the rules of extradition for Argentina and the other relevant SA countries. I'm suspicious of your claim of being an expert on Argentina's extradition requirements. Make sure to include the date that the extradition regulations were adopted.
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Post by Nessie on Jul 25, 2022 14:11:37 GMT
The UK isn't Argentina. Show explicitly the rules of extradition for Argentina and the other relevant SA countries. I'm suspicious of your claim of being an expert on Argentina's extradition requirements. Make sure to include the date that the extradition regulations were adopted. I cannot show you that information, as I do not read Spanish. I am not claiming to be an expert. I am merely pointing out that extradition hearings, from what I have read, are where an accused person presents reasons why they should not be extradited, such as their life is in danger, or no crime was committed. Do you think that it would be normal for a country to extradite someone who has evidence to prove the crime they are accused of did not happen? I don't.
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Post by Turnagain on Jul 25, 2022 21:26:25 GMT
What Nessie is doing is blowing smoke and horse frocky about how the Germans could have avoided extradition.
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Post by Nessie on Jul 26, 2022 7:59:59 GMT
What Nessie is doing is blowing smoke and horse frocky about how the Germans could have avoided extradition. Why did the Nazis in South America not reveal the evidence to prove no crime was committed by them, to prevent their extraditions?
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Post by Turnagain on Jul 26, 2022 8:10:17 GMT
Why did the chicken cross the road? Which country wanted to extradite them and what were the charges?
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Post by Nessie on Jul 26, 2022 8:23:11 GMT
Why did the chicken cross the road? Which country wanted to extradite them and what were the charges? Germany for the most part, and the charges related to mass murders at the AR camps and by the EG.
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Post by Turnagain on Jul 26, 2022 11:26:17 GMT
IOW, you don't know specifically what the charges were against the expatriates and even less about the extradition treaties signed by the SA countries. Bottom line, you're blowing smoke and horse frocky.
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