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Post by Nessie on Jan 13, 2022 15:44:01 GMT
IOW, none of you can produce any evidence to back up your claims that there is insufficient disturbed ground at any AR camp, for there to have been mass graves.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 13, 2022 19:04:27 GMT
How is pointing out that revisionists have no physical evidence that the ground at the AR camps is largely undisturbed, which would support their claim of no mass graves for hundreds of thousands of corpses, off topic?
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 13, 2022 22:49:00 GMT
How is pointing out that revisionists have no physical evidence that the ground at the AR camps is largely undisturbed, which would support their claim of no mass graves for hundreds of thousands of corpses, off topic? Of course there's "disturbed ground" at Treblinka. Nobody denies that the Germans built a camp there. What is denied is that up to eleven (11) graves that are at least 12 meters deep can be located. Nobody denies that people died either in transit or at Treblinka and are buried in or around T-II. Disease, hardships and age all take their toll. All of that has been explained to you before but you simply ignore that. Death and graves are an integral part of life and there's no reason for Treblinka to be exempt from that fact.
That the Germans would build a "death camp" with no viable means for disposing of the bodies is asinine. There is no proof that the Germans first dug huge graves and then decided on an ad hoc basis to exhume the bodies and cremate them. That's especially true for the Germans supposedly cremating the bodies by the ridiculous means described by the alleged eyewitnesses. Your claim that the witnesses, every last one of them, were just "exaggerating" or were "mistaken" is as ridiculous as the claims of the witnesses. Your claim that Treblinka was built solely for the purpose of exterminating Jews with the exhaust from a captured Soviet tank is preposterous; a fantasy of holyhoax la-la land.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 14, 2022 8:59:09 GMT
How is pointing out that revisionists have no physical evidence that the ground at the AR camps is largely undisturbed, which would support their claim of no mass graves for hundreds of thousands of corpses, off topic? Of course there's "disturbed ground" at Treblinka. Nobody denies that the Germans built a camp there. What is denied is that up to eleven (11) graves that are at least 12 meters deep can be located. Nobody denies that people died either in transit or at Treblinka and are buried in or around T-II. Disease, hardships and age all take their toll. All of that has been explained to you before but you simply ignore that. Death and graves are an integral part of life and there's no reason for Treblinka to be exempt from that fact.
That the Germans would build a "death camp" with no viable means for disposing of the bodies is asinine. There is no proof that the Germans first dug huge graves and then decided on an ad hoc basis to exhume the bodies and cremate them. That's especially true for the Germans supposedly cremating the bodies by the ridiculous means described by the alleged eyewitnesses. Your claim that the witnesses, every last one of them, were just "exaggerating" or were "mistaken" is as ridiculous as the claims of the witnesses. Your claim that Treblinka was built solely for the purpose of exterminating Jews with the exhaust from a captured Soviet tank is preposterous; a fantasy of holyhoax la-la land.
You are dodging. I said that you have no physical evidence to prove your claims that no mass graves to accommodate hundreds of thousands of corpses were ever dug at TII, or indeed any AR camp or at Chelmno.
Your claim that the witnesses would be able to give consistent, precise grave numbers and dimensions, when asked years or decades later, is utterly nonsense and shows no understanding of normal witness memory failings.
You are dishonestly misrepresenting my claims about TII, when you say it was built solely as a death camp. Your tactic of deliberately misrepresenting me is easily see through and further evidence of your total reliance on arguments from logical fallacies!
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Post by Agandaur on Jan 14, 2022 9:24:08 GMT
You are dishonestly misrepresenting my claims about TII, when you say it was built solely as a death camp. It is not Turnagain but others: Yad VashemIf this killing or extermination centre is not primarily a death camp, then perhaps you may explain the descriptions given by these two prominent jewish organizations. The camp had a muster of about 1000 far more than is needed to extract teeth and cut hair. |
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 14, 2022 9:24:21 GMT
Nessie wrote:
Uh-huh, and how does one go about proving that the mass graves don't exist at Treblinka if they don't exist? You can prove that the mass graves DO exist but so far, nobody has been able to do that. Instead we have your claims of "disturbed ground" and the irregular holes allegedly found by CS-C.
As I said, your excuse that the witnesses just made some little "mistakes" is arrant bullshit.
OK, Treblinka wasn't a death camp. What purpose did it serve?
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Post by Nessie on Jan 14, 2022 9:27:33 GMT
You are dishonestly misrepresenting my claims about TII, when you say it was built solely as a death camp. It is not Turnagain but others: Yad VashemIf this killing or extermination centre is not primarily a death camp, then perhaps you may explain the descriptions given by these two prominent jewish organizations. The camp had a muster of about 1000 far more than is needed to extract teeth and cut hair. You are trying to excuse Turnagain and his repeatedly dishonest representations of what I have said. Like Werd before him, on almost a post by post basis, he makes up dishonest strawman claims about me. Such dishonestly is clearly a sign that he cannot argue against what I have actually said. |
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Post by Agandaur on Jan 14, 2022 9:38:43 GMT
You are trying to excuse Turnagain and his repeatedly dishonest representations of what I have said. Like Werd before him, on almost a post by post basis, he makes up dishonest strawman claims about me. Such dishonestly is clearly a sign that he cannot argue against what I have actually said. Forget about them, just say your bit and leave others to decide. You have moderation powers, delete his posts or something. Complain to Scott or something so Turnagain can be blocked from your forum. |
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 14, 2022 9:39:16 GMT
LOL! Nessie gets backed into a corner and immediately begins crying foul. So what purpose did Treblinka serve if it wasn't an extermination center?
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Post by Agandaur on Jan 14, 2022 9:41:11 GMT
LOL! Nessie gets backed into a corner and immediately begins crying foul. So what purpose did Treblinka serve if it wasn't an extermination center? That is an excellent point, it had a muster of about 1000, Sobibor had half that number but still significant. |
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Post by Nessie on Jan 14, 2022 9:43:19 GMT
Nessie wrote: Uh-huh, and how does one go about proving that the mass graves don't exist at Treblinka if they don't exist? You claim to be knowledgeable about archaeology and geophysics, such that you can critique the work of professionals. How can you do that and not know how to evidence a lack of mass graves? Where is your evidence that what the geophysics found, is not parts of, or the ends of the mass graves that were not covered by the memorial? Why do you expect the remains of rectangular graves to be found, when those graves were dug into to get at bodies and then subject to mass grave robbing, including the use of explosives? You ask questions which clearly show your knowledge of archaeology is very limited. Your assertion again proves your lack of knowledge. There is plenty of evidence as to why witnesses make mistakes; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyewitness_testimony#Reliability"Psychologists have probed the reliability of eyewitness testimony since the beginning of the 20th century" You arrogantly claim that even decades later, a truthful witness will be able to give consistent, precise details and would not make mistakes. I constantly refer to the AR camps. Have you still not found out what AR was? You have shown that you are ignorant of archaeology, witnesses and AR. You need to go and do some learning. |
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Post by Nessie on Jan 14, 2022 9:44:42 GMT
LOL! Nessie gets backed into a corner and immediately begins crying foul. So what purpose did Treblinka serve if it wasn't an extermination center? Find out what AR was. |
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Post by Agandaur on Jan 14, 2022 9:49:33 GMT
I do believe this is an invite for Prudent Regret to return and demolish the extermination claims of Nessie. If Nessie stuck with 14f13 euthanasia along with some criminal activity I think there would be much less resistance. For many years he has mentioned the murder of "useless eaters" which is exactly what 14f13 was designed to address. |
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Post by Nessie on Jan 14, 2022 9:51:22 GMT
You are trying to excuse Turnagain and his repeatedly dishonest representations of what I have said. Like Werd before him, on almost a post by post basis, he makes up dishonest strawman claims about me. Such dishonestly is clearly a sign that he cannot argue against what I have actually said. Forget about them, just say your bit and leave others to decide. You have moderation powers, delete his posts or something. Complain to Scott or something so Turnagain can be blocked from your forum. Denier reliance on logical fallacies, such as the strawman argument, is one of the forms of evidence I use to prove Holocaust denial is a hoax. Turnagain's use of strawman arguments will be challenged, but not moderated.
By pointing to his repeated use of strawman arguments, I can prove that Turnagain is unable to argue against my actual points.
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Post by Agandaur on Jan 14, 2022 10:03:05 GMT
I can prove that Turnagain is unable to argue against my actual points. You are so busy talking about Turnagain you are not making any valid points. He has you backed into a corner, now you are scowling with your claws in the air. Make your points and let others decide for themselves. Horn locking goes no where despite the illusion. |
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