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Post by Nessie on Dec 21, 2021 10:05:02 GMT
You are trying to deflect from the physically impossible claims you make, by pretending the claims I am making are physically impossible. They are considering the people used to perpetrate the technology. Your suggestion that Germans, of all people, lacked the skills to build gas chambers, dig big pits and cremate on pyres, is absurd. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 21, 2021 12:53:45 GMT
Nessie wrote: OK, change riding a tricycle to the moon to riding a tricycle from Deadhorse to Tierra del Fuego. That is "possible" since young adults have ridden bicycles from Deadhorse to Tierra del Fuego. Your claim that my argument is a false analogy is bullshit. Your claim that digging pits is no different from saying that it's possible to travel faster than the speed of sound. Of course it's possible to travel faster than the speed of sound but you need a supersonic aircraft to do it. Of course it's possible to dig giant pits but you must have the proper equipment to do it. Same with all the claims for Treblinka. Building a brick gas chamber is possible. A brick gas chamber that can be hermetically sealed with CO from a 27 liter captured Soviet tank as the lethal agent is both ludicrous and impossible. Every facet of your Treblinka as an extermination camp has to be hedged about with endless "What ifs", "Coulda woulda", "Exaggerations" and so on ad nauseum. Then you claim to have "evidence". You have evidence that a little boy rode a tricycle. You then claim that's evidence that the little boy rode his tricycle to the moon or to Tierra del Fuego. Your claims of "evidence" and "fallacies" are bullshit. Your argument is that by interpreting the witnesses literally and refusing to accept witnesses have known failings with their memory, it appears what they are describing could not be done, therefore they lied, therefore it did not happen. That argument is illogical. Your first premise that witnesses should be taken literally and known issues with memory should be ignored, is wrong. Your second premise that the way witnesses describe what is claimed is physically impossible, is dependent on your incorrect first premise. Your third premise that therefore they lied, does not necessarily follow, since someone can be truthful about what they saw and exaggerate, misremember, make mistakes etc. Your conclusion therefore does not logically follow.
For you to be correct, then you need to produce evidence to prove that truthful witnesses remember everything perfectly, make no mistakes, get all estimates spot on and describe everything they saw in a way that is clearly understandable with no ambiguities, and that lying witnesses are the only ones to make mistakes etc. We both know that both truthful and lying witnesses can misremember, make mistakes etc.
Your analogy about biys riding bikes to the moon only applies to your claim that somehow, the Nazis managed to hide c2.5 million Jews somewhere, without leaving any evidence. That is physically impossible. There is also no reason why the Nazis would do that. Why would they cooperate with a hoax that made them hated and resulted in many being sent to prison or worse?
Your claims are both illogical and absurd.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 22, 2021 20:03:38 GMT
There are examples of people reunited after the war, who thought the other was dead. Wow! Look at the level of denial and deceit Here is what was stated: NESSIE wrote:
โYour suggestion those people not gassed, never found out that they were supposed to have been gassed, is utterly idioticโ.I easily gave an example of just one of many such persons. That proves there is NOTHING โutterly idioticโ in stating this historical fact that people who are supposed to have been โgassedโ but survived the war did not know they were considered murdered by gassing. The amount of such surviving people falsely considered โgassedโ is obviously unknown, But Shoshana November is definitely an example of that. The jewish woman Shoshana November is is NOT just an โexample of people reunited after the war, who thought the other was deadโ. ๐๐คฆโโ๏ธNeither of the people you gave as an example claimed to have been to an AR camps, Chelmno or inside the A-B Kremas. Millions of Jewish people were imprisoned and put to work and were not at any place where there were gas chambers. They are not witnesses who are revealing that there was a hoax, since they were not in any place where the hoax was supposed to have happened. To prove there was a hoax about gassings at TII, Sobibor, Belzec, Chelmno and the A-B Kremas, you need people who were inside those places, not people who were never there, lost trace of family in the Nazi camp and ghetto system and were reunited after the war. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 22, 2021 20:27:08 GMT
Jews who have been reunited with others they thought had been killed during the war, is not evidence of a hoax. This post, which is a more detailed reply to been-there, is not "gibberish" rodoh.info/post/2034I explain why people finding each other after the war, when they were never at the places where gassings took place, is not evidence of a hoax. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 23, 2021 11:11:17 GMT
...Here is more evidence showing jewish people who have been considered โholcaustedโ/โshoahedโ/โgassedโ actually survived WW2. There is no instance of people reuniting with people who say they were inside an AR camp or A-B Krema. All reuniting was between people who were at other camps, or who were part of work selections and avoided being sent to the Kremas or further into the AR camps. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 23, 2021 12:45:38 GMT
Nessie omits the fact that the inmates who describe atrocities are proven liars. Well, they just "exaggerated" or "misestimated" according to Nessie. You omit the fact that
1 - you do not use a credible or reliable methodology for determining is someone has lied or not 2 - you are refusing to acknowledge the massive scale of the lie that you allege 3 - you are refusing to acknowledge that witnesses are the least reliable form of evidence and it is normal for them to make mistakes.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 24, 2021 14:09:56 GMT
Both were pyres where the bodies were piled onto a grate, above wood.
The only difference was the bodies at Dresden were clothed.
The photos and the document prove the pyre at Dresden worked.
That undermines your claim such pyres are a physical impossibility.
There is physical evidence of cremated remains and ash at the AR camps, so there is proof cremations took place.
Every single witness at the camps describes a pyre similar to that at Dresden.
Your assertion that is not evidence to prove mass pyres at the AR camps is nonsense.
To utilise Turnagainโs example, this idiocy is equivalent to arguing the following: โBoth were boys on bicycles.
The only difference was one rode his to the moon.
The photos of a boy on his bike cycling on planet Earth proves that bikes worked.
That undermines your claim that cycling to the moon is a physical impossibility.
There is physical evidence of boys riding bikes and of humans on the moon, so that is proof the claim of a boy cycling to the moon took place.
Every single...โ etc., etc., stupid-etc. Yet again, you use a false analogy. It is not possible to cycle in space. It is possible to cremate on a grate above wood. If you don't believe me, buy a BBQ, get some wood, pile joints of meat (10-20% fat content) on top of the BBQ, light and leave for a few hours.
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Post by been_there on Dec 24, 2021 14:41:33 GMT
To utilise Turnagainโs example, this idiocy is equivalent to arguing the following: โBoth were boys on bicycles.
The only difference was one rode his to the moon.
The photos of a boy on his bike cycling on planet Earth proves that bikes worked.
That undermines your claim that cycling to the moon is a physical impossibility.
There is physical evidence of boys riding bikes and of humans on the moon, so that is proof the claim of a boy cycling to the moon took place.
Every single...โ etc., etc., stupid-etc. Yet again, you use a false analogy. It is not possible to cycle in space. It is possible to cremate on a grate above wood. If you don't believe me, buy a BBQ, get some wood, pile joints of meat (10-20% fat content) on top of the BBQ, light and leave for a few hours. No one has ever argued that it is not possible to cremate a body or even several bodies on a grate over ignited wood! ๐๐คฆโโ๏ธ But we are not analysing the possibility of that. We are discussing the cremation of nearly a million bodies!!! What this unfortunate person still does not understand is that the above post demonstrates, by an extreme example, the EXACT same lack of logic he is using. Stating that something unevidenced and physically impossible happened because a photo exists of something similar but possible happening, is an illogical and literally stupid argument. That this unfortunate person doesnโt understand that is merely further proof of his own deficiency of intellect. The Dunning-Kruger syndrome makes it impossible to show a stupid person their own stupidity. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 24, 2021 14:56:37 GMT
Both were pyres where the bodies were piled onto a grate, above wood.
The only difference was the bodies at Dresden were clothed.
The photos and the document prove the pyre at Dresden worked.
That undermines your claim such pyres are a physical impossibility.
There is physical evidence of cremated remains and ash at the AR camps, so there is proof cremations took place.
Every single witness at the camps describes a pyre similar to that at Dresden.
Your assertion that is not evidence to prove mass pyres at the AR camps is nonsense.
To utilise Turnagainโs example, this idiocy is equivalent to arguing the following: โBoth were boys on bicycles.
The only difference was one rode his to the moon.
The photos of a boy on his bike cycling on planet Earth proves that bikes worked.
That undermines your claim that cycling to the moon is a physical impossibility.
There is physical evidence of boys riding bikes and of humans on the moon, so that is proof the claim of a boy cycling to the moon took place.
Every single...โ etc., etc., stupid-etc. False analogy, there is no evidence of boys cycling to or riding on the moon. There is of mass pyres using grates. |
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Post by been_there on Dec 24, 2021 15:54:32 GMT
To utilise Turnagainโs example, this idiocy is equivalent to arguing the following: โBoth were boys on bicycles.
The only difference was one rode his to the moon.
The photos of a boy on his bike cycling on planet Earth proves that bikes worked.
That undermines your claim that cycling to the moon is a physical impossibility.
There is physical evidence of boys riding bikes and of humans on the moon, so that is proof the claim of a boy cycling to the moon took place.
Every single...โ etc., etc., stupid-etc. False analogy, there is no evidence of boys cycling to or riding on the moon. There is of mass pyres using grates. Just explained above. ๐๐ฅณ๐
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Post by Nessie on Dec 24, 2021 16:34:23 GMT
....In this single example, the above claim of no h-survivor being aware they are believed to have been killed in a mass-gassing, has now been demonstrated as an โutterlyโ false belief. .... Plenty of reunions were of survivors who thought the other had been gassed. None of those survivors claimed to have been inside the part of an AR where the gas chambers were located, or a Krema at A-B. Therefore none of those people are evidence that gassings in those places were hoaxed. |
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 24, 2021 17:26:46 GMT
Uh...there weren't any gassing procedures so you aren't going to find any survivors who claimed to have witnessed them beyond the small collection of known liars.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 24, 2021 17:39:31 GMT
Uh...there weren't any gassing procedures so you aren't going to find any survivors who claimed to have witnessed them beyond the small collection of known liars. If there were no gassings inside the AR camps, in vans out of Chelmno or inside the A-B Kremas, and there were c2.5 million people sent to those places, why is there no witness to what did happen at those places? Every single person who survived those places said they were used for gassings. That is about c130 people. Where are your witnesses from the other c2.5 million?
Alleging they all lied by omission and none came forward to say what did happen, is ridiculous and needs a lot of evidencing. You have none.
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Post by nazgul on Dec 26, 2021 1:23:09 GMT
Chambre ร gaz napolรฉonienne Claude Ribbe "advances the thesis that Napoleon Bonaparte during the Haitian Revolution first used gas chambers as a method of mass execution, 120 years before the method - as generally defined - was adopted for capital punishment in the United States and Lithuania"linkIn Saint-Domingue (Haiti) slave revolts were put down by Napoleons troops. Apparently the holds of ships where the rebels were kept became make-shift gas chambers murdering 100 thousand negroes. There have been serious criticism of the claim by mr Ribbe in his book "Le Crime de Napolรฉon". There is evidence of mass transports of people arriving at the ships, there is no evidence of corresponding mass transports back out. There is no evidence of these people working back in the cotton fields. The French historian Pierre Branda denied the gassings happened. That means the French had to transport and accommodate those c100 thousand people elsewhere. The gassing took place in the early 19th century. If, as some caim there were no gassings, that means the French had an extra c100 thousand blacks to be accommodated somewhere. For that to be covered up requires not only the cooperation of that c100 thousand coloreds', but also many hundreds if not thousands of French soldiers who organised their transports and guarded them. Then, after the rebellion, for that to be hoaxed needs to the cooperation of many more people to keep what happened hidden and promote the supposed hoax. The dissenters to the gassing claim are refusing to logically follow their own claims to a conclusion. They are doing what all deniers do and will not look at the consequences of what they are claiming in any detail. They do that, because they know that the claim of a hoax cannot be sustained. The hoax they are alleging is physically impossible, far more so than your claims it was physically impossible to gas, bury and cremate people in the hold of a ship. To claim the ship would burn down if funeral pyres were held on deck is unevidenced. There is no evidence that the holds were not used as gas chambers; if not what were they used for. Show me with evidence. If the colored folk were not gassed in the holds of the ship, where did they go? If it happened it was possible. Deniers have to prove this did not happen. Deniers argue that the French could not build functioning gas chambers, dig big pits or cremation oven/pyres on the wooden boats as described, therefore it did not happen, without there being any evidence to support that argument. Anyone rational can see the flaws. They then claim that every Government since 1800s, all universities and hundreds of lawyers and journalists have colluded to hide the evidence of the survival of 100 thousand blacks supposedly not gassed on the sloops, along with those supposedly not gassed people. Laid bare for what it is, denial is an anti-black conspiracy theory based on the tropes of manipulative, lying coloreds' with the power to control everything. There is no evidence from any source whatsoever of Blacks being resettled from the sloops. Some demand that I believe that c100,000 people sent to the ships, who were not selected for work, were then resettled to somewhere, with no evidence of that happening at all. I refuse to believe what you cannot evidence happened.๐คค |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 26, 2021 9:55:20 GMT
There is corroborating evidence of cremations at Dresden. Since the Dresden pyre is similar to that described at the AR camps, Turnagain has to think up reasons, which he admits are spurious, to convince himself there were no cremations.
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