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Post by been_there on Dec 11, 2021 7:52:55 GMT
I have answered that question on multiple occasions. Excavators of an unknown make and type, were used to dig the original graves... Ha ha ha! ๐คฃ๐
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Post by Nessie on Dec 11, 2021 9:00:41 GMT
If you don't like what Wiernik and Rajchman said about the size and number of graves then tough tittie for you. I do not believe your version of what they said, you cannot be trusted. You need to read up on the history of the grave robbing and how explosives were used. Your claim that the Germans could not get excavators to TII, which was right next to a quarry, is not credible. Plenty of witnesses saw excavators at the camp. There are photos of excavators working there when it was being covered over and closed down. But, according to you, because we do not know the make and type of excavator used to dig the graves, they are magical. Your lack of grasp of logic is staggering. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 11, 2021 9:13:16 GMT
The Nazis claimed that over 1.4 million Jews had been deported to the โEastโ. How come not a single Jewish eyewitness of the Holocaust has ever written or spoken about those alleged transports to the East? ...I wonder whyโฆ Yeah, I wonder why no Jewish โwitnessesโ gave testimony that contradicted the โspecial-suffering, eternal-victim, โpoor usโ, emerging H-narrative. Hmmmm? Strange, that!? .... It is indeed odd, that out of the 1.45 million people Korherr reported had been transported to the Russian east by the end of 1942, from the AR camps and Chelmno, that no evidence has ever been found to back that claim up. There are no Nazis other than Korherr who claimed it happened. There are no Jewish witnesses to mass transports that left those camps and went east. There are also no documents recording mass transports. Furthermore, there is no evidence from the east of mass arrivals, or places where such large numbers of people were accommodated. It is very odd what you find strange, and then you happily accept alleged massive movements of people, without there being any evidence of that happening. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 11, 2021 9:26:02 GMT
It is indeed odd, that out of the 1.45 million people Korherr reported had been transported to the Russian east by the end of 1942, from the AR camps and Chelmno, that no evidence has ever been found to back that claim up. There are no Nazis other than Korherr who claimed it happened. There are no Jewish witnesses to mass transports that left those camps and went east. There are also no documents recording mass transports. Furthermore, there is no evidence from the east of mass arrivals, or places where such large numbers of people were accommodated.
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Post by goody on Dec 11, 2021 15:56:39 GMT
Your lengthy post didnโt address my post at all. I suggest it did. What I think has occurred is that your faith in this closed โHโ belief-system has blinded you, making you unable to comprehend anything outside of its narrow acceptable parameters. No, that is not correct. Firstly, โRevisionistsโ are merely people interested in accurate history and who therefore question and seek to revise obviously false or unsubstantisted historically inaccurate narratives. โRevisionistsโ are therefore not a set group, with a fixed and never-changing belief. You appear to be psychologicaly projecting. โRevisionistsโ in this case would be anyone who seeks to revise ANY PART of the protected โholocaustโ closed and legally protected belief-system. E.g. I myself do not affirm that T2 was soley a transit camp. Though I do believe the evidence of those Jewish people who said they were transited through Treblnka. Do you not believe them?ย Neither do I โdenyโ that Jewish people met their end there, by whatever means. So for them it could accurately be described as ย an โexterminationโ camp. Though I do know with surety that CURRENTLY there is no credible, documentary or forensic (empirical) evidence that they did in the numbers claimed, by the methods claimed and were disposed of in the way and place claimed. IF YOU can provide that evidence I will be grateful. So please go ahead. Obviously because it would not help them in the least. If you havenโt understood even this yet, it does rather show you are not able to approach the topic reasonably, rationally, intelligently, impartially and unemotionally It did not. Instead you just showed your lack of sympathy for the millions of families even today who lost their loved ones by the genocide carried out by the Nazis. Then you decided to ramble about what different historians and websites listed as the figures of the Holocaust. The Nazis themselves claimed that over 1.4m Jews had been โprocessedโ to the Russian East. Do you want to give it your best shot why none of those Jews ever came forward to clarify that did actually happen? So if you claim it wasnโt just a transit camp, what else was it? Yes, the Jewish eyewitnesses who said that they were transited from there to other Nazi camps to work has been known for decades and decades. The camps were actually to the West and NOT in the โRussian Eastโ. Their testimonies donโt change anything. So what happened to the other Jews who were sent to Treblinka? Do you have any idea? โBy whatever meansโ is vague. Do you want to elaborate? You claim that thereโs no evidence that is credible, documentary or forensic (empirical) to support the genocide carried out at Treblinka and the other Operation Reinhard camps. Are you having a laugh? How do you determine what is credible? There are loads of evidence of mass transports to Treblinka but no evidence of mass transports from Treblinka to the Russian East. Why not? Is the Hรถfle Telegram not good enough for you? Thereโs plenty of forensic evidence from 1945 to a few years ago - every single investigation (a limited one out of respect for the victims) found remains of bodies. Turnagain dismisses the findings as Soviet communist propaganda, what do you think? |
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Post by goody on Dec 11, 2021 15:57:42 GMT
It wasnโt just used for that purpose. It was a well known euphemism for mass murder. In that case show us some lab tested cremains for those who were "mass murdered".ย Throw in some GPR scans for those giant graves while you're at it.ย I donโt need to do that. Thatโs not how history and evidence work. I see that youโve still not learnt a thing since our last interactions a couple of years ago. You need to be on your best behaviour on this forum though, hehe. |
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 11, 2021 16:09:35 GMT
In that case show us some lab tested cremains for those who were "mass murdered". Throw in some GPR scans for those giant graves while you're at it. I donโt need to do that. Thatโs not how history and evidence work. I see that youโve still not learnt a thing since our last interactions a couple of years ago. You need to be on your best behaviour on this forum though, hehe. That's not how history and evidence works on the Klown's forum. In the real world, proof of your accusation of mass murder must be proved. |
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Post by goody on Dec 11, 2021 16:21:03 GMT
I donโt need to do that. Thatโs not how history and evidence work. I see that youโve still not learnt a thing since our last interactions a couple of years ago. You need to be on your best behaviour on this forum though, hehe. That's not how history and evidence works on the Klown's forum.ย In the real world, proof of your accusation of mass murder must be proved. You must have been down the rabbit hole for years. Nothing has changed. Who made you the person to decide what is considered to be sufficient enough evidence and proof? Anyone familiar with the old forum will know your political views and your belief in conspiracy theories soโฆ The mass murder has been proven, the people who carried it out even admitted it themselves yet you deny it. Thatโs hilarious. Itโs beyond stupid. |
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 11, 2021 17:07:26 GMT
Goody wrote: Yep,I still believe the holyoax is indeed a hoax. I'm sure I'm such a disappointment to you. Nope, I still don't believe that~850,000 people were steamed/gassed/suffocated in hermetically sealed chambers, buried in giant graves that were both dug and stockpiled with some antique draglines, exhumed whole with those draglines and cremated on a magic Jew barbeque. OMG! I'm now a (gasp) conspiraloon. I feel so (sniff) humiliated (sob). LOL! It's been proven by the Klowns. That's a good 'un, Goody. A real knee slapper. Crawl out of your comfortable little rabbit hole and have a look around the 'net. Your holyhoax is becoming a topic of derision and laughter. The absurd tales of your "witnesses" are being passed around like candy. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 13, 2021 10:53:18 GMT
It gets very confusing. Apparently we can discuss TII here, but not when it comes to transports to and from the camp, which has to be discussed here. I am sure no one minds the odd line about transports in the context of the camp so long as it is not the main issue. What is not wanted, it seems is the spiel or a variation of this. I am sure that all viewers are well aware of the issue above without it constantly repeated. There are many other things more important than the mantra "where did they go". You are trying to dodge that there is no evidence to prove regular mass transports back out of TII, and those people being resettled and accommodated elsewhere. That fact means, logically, the evidence of gassings must be correct, despite revisionist misgivings. The failure to confront that issue, is why revisionists are the ones who have fallen for hoax.
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Post by been_there on Dec 15, 2021 16:13:27 GMT
Uh...Nessie...30% from 100% still doesn't equal 60%. That this person wonโt even concede error on something as basic and self-evident as simple arithmetic, I think demonstrates that he is incapable of admitting error or accepting correction on ANYTHING โHolocaustโ related. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 15, 2021 16:52:06 GMT
Uh...Nessie...30% from 100% still doesn't equal 60%. That this person wonโt even concede error on something as basic and self-evident as simple arithmetic, I think demonstrates that he is incapable of admitting error or accepting correction on ANYTHING โHolocaustโ related. I have conceded that I made a mistake, and I have now clarified what I meant. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 20, 2021 16:07:36 GMT
Every skeptic has to live with the fact that incontrovertible proof of mass murder may be presented at any time. The series of mass graves that conform at least roughly to the eyewitness accounts and a corresponding quantity of lab tested human cremains would knock all objections by revisionists into a cocked hat. The lies and fantasies of the witnesses notwithstanding, the fact that hundreds of thousands of people were executed and cremated would prove that yes, at this particular place mass murder unquestionably occurred. The fact that the chances of such possibilities are minuscule is irrelevant. It is indeed possible and revisionists must bear that in mind. On the other hand, the true believers have their dogma and no lack of evidence shakes their belief system. If it happened it was possible. Their belief is a religious experience. No real difference between belief in the holyhoax and belief in the geocentric universe of the 17th century. Please explain why you claim the evidenced claims made about what happened inside the AR camps and A-B Kremas are like a religious belief, unlike the claims made about those place, which are not evidenced. |
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 20, 2021 16:11:18 GMT
Just another little impossibility to add to the list of impossibilities that routinely occurred at Treblinka. Hey, if it "coulda, woulda" happened and the witnesses were just "misestimating" and "exaggerating" then it all happened just as claimed.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 21, 2021 9:26:22 GMT
If there are two possible outcomes and the first is impossible then the second is, by definition, what happened. There is evidence for both Treblinka and Sobibor that the Jews were transported to other destinations. It is physically impossible for c2.5 million people to have been transported back out of the AR camps, Chelmno and A-B between Dec 1941 and Sept 1944, and for them to be accommodated elsewhere, without leaving any evidence of that happening. |
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