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Post by Nessie on Dec 5, 2021 15:37:50 GMT
He asserts he knows how many Jews were transported in to the Treblinka camps. But how does he know they all went to T2 and were killed? What about the transports of prisoners to T1? Nessie would like "his" version of events to be true. So far he has said the "holocaust encyclopedia" is incorrect as to the location of the Treblinka camp of Wiernik. Similar evidence was given by Yad Vashem; it is expected the same poster will say they are wrong as well. Seems Nessie is becoming quite the revisionist. He thinks tinkering with evidence to make it fit is somehow legitimate. He like his cohorts have a conclusion, while desperately attempting to make the evidence fit; or omit. This is why Marian Olszuk was ignored by the investigating authorities. Treblinka was a series of camps it seems, more than two; the full complex of camps needs further research. No evidence has been found to show what TII was, if it was not a death camp. No witness who worked inside or for certain was otherwise inside TII, states that it was anything other than a death camp. Multiple documents from different sources record regular mass arrivals with no regular mass departures. Archaeology backs up witness claims of mass graves and cremations.
Until you come up with contemporaneous evidence relating directly to the TII camp, on the spur line to the quarry, then I am going with the evidence it was a death camp.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 5, 2021 19:33:47 GMT
The overarching policy as directed by the most senior Nazis, was to rid occupied territory of Jews. The various methods included deportations, forced expulsions, use as slave labour and killing in gas chambers or shooting. The mass murder methods used in Poland, the Baltic States and Ukraine were not considered acceptable in Germany, France, the Netherlands etc. The first time an area commander gave himself the option to gas, was Arthur Greiser who was the Governor of Warthegau, in Poland, at Chelmno. The AR camps, including TII, followed as a separate, but parallel, operation. Jews were evicted and put to work and paid a pittance. While Poland was the Reich, the Baltic states and Ukraine were territories. Seems like he kicked the Jews out into the GG and elsewhere. According to Korherr about 145k were evicted to the "Russian East" aka Ostland and Ukraine. These simply replaced the Jews that were executed as partisans by the Einsatz gruppen. Bad people out good ones in.
You claim that, but there is no evidence of mass transports from TII to the east and no evidence of the resettlement of c860,000 people there, who had come from TII.
Your suggestion that the Nazis regarded Polish Jews as good Jews who could replace the bad Ukrainian ones is utter drivel.
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 6, 2021 13:39:22 GMT
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Right, and if Wiernik or Rajchman claimed that the little boy rode his tricycle to the moon you would find an excuse to believe them.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 6, 2021 15:34:38 GMT
...You try to think up mindless excuses to believe the claims of charlatans and liars. You are a lying fool. Yes! ๐ Even by H-believer standards, it is a rather peculiar behaviour. I assess the claims made, using the methods taught to me at university and in the police. Are you claiming they are wrong, and I should use your logically flawed methodology? |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 6, 2021 16:46:59 GMT
Nessie wrote: Sell your cheap claptrap down the street, Nessie. I have called you out, over your false claims about what you say I said and that is all you have. It was physically possible for the Nazis to gas, bury and cremate people at TII and it does not matter that you, personally, are not convinced by any of the witness descriptions or evidence. |
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 6, 2021 17:38:59 GMT
You clearly have your head up your arse. Making it illegal to question the hoax isn't the same as the hoax being the truth.
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 6, 2021 17:43:29 GMT
You make up excuses for charlatans and liars and try to claim that is what is taught at universities and by the police. You can delude yourself to your heart's content but you can't sell such claptrap to rational people.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 6, 2021 17:59:04 GMT
You make up excuses for charlatans and liars and try to claim that is what is taught at universities and by the police. You can delude yourself to your heart's content but you can't sell such claptrap to rational people. The excuses are yours, I use evidence. |
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Post by been_there on Dec 6, 2021 18:10:30 GMT
[4 hours ago turnagain had written: โ...You try to think up mindless excuses to believe the claims of charlatans and liars. You are a lying foolโ.]Yes! ๐ Even by H-believer standards, it is a rather peculiar behaviour. I assess the claims made, using the methods taught to me at university and in the police. Provide credible evidence that you were ever at University, have an MA in History and worked as a police investigator. I feel sure you can not provide any evidence at all as this is another of your dishonesties, and will therefore have to make some pathetic avoidance excuse. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 6, 2021 19:22:55 GMT
As expected, my questions are dodged.
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Post by been_there on Dec 6, 2021 21:08:15 GMT
As expected, my questions are dodged. Can YOU ever answer questions put to you? What evidence have YOU that i.) you ever studied at University, ii.) have an MA in history and iii.) worked as a police investigator? |
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 6, 2021 22:42:56 GMT
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Nobody was gassed/steamed/asphyxiated in hermetically sealed gas chambers, buried in graves that contained 250,000 cadavers, exhumed with a dragline or cremated on a magic Jew barbeque. That didn't happen no matter how much you squirm and weasel dodge. Sell such claptrap down the street.
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Post by been_there on Dec 7, 2021 13:08:52 GMT
Yes! ๐ Even by H-believer standards, it is a rather peculiar behaviour. I assess the claims made, using the methods taught to me at university and in the police. Provide evidence that you assess the claims made, using methods taught to YOU at university and in the police. Why are you avoiding this challenge? |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 8, 2021 18:12:24 GMT
Nessie wrote: Millions of people were displaced by the war..... There is evidence of the various displacements and where people went and where they were when the war ended, except for the Jews who were transported to the AR camps and A-B Kremas. There is no evidence of where they went after that. It is physically impossible for so many people, some 2.5 million of them, to have been transported onwards and resettled, 1942-4, without there being any evidence of that happening. |
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 11, 2021 1:14:16 GMT
The Nazis claimed that over 1.4m Jews had been deported to the โEastโ. How come not a single Jewish eyewitness of the Holocaust has ever written or spoken about those alleged transports to the East? Where did the Jews end up? Which locations? In the same report, Heinrich Himmler ordered for โspecial treatmentโ to be changed to โprocessedโ. I wonder whyโฆ Geez, do ya' mean, "Where did they gooooooooo"? |
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