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Post by Turnagain on Feb 17, 2022 16:41:10 GMT
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OK, let's take a "for example". Wiernik and Rajchman both give dimensions for the mass graves that are close enough to be considered to be a reasonable description of the graves. The difference in dimensions could be considered negligible and just a mistake in estimating size. However, that doesn't explain the difference in the number of graves. Five versus eleven with at least one large enough to contain 250,000 cadavers. That doesn't pass the "error" test. Either one or both are lying about seeing graves. Rosenberg goes on to give completely different dimensions for the graves. Three times as long as Wiernik's and Rajchman's graves. Trying to palm such bullshit off as minor mistakes/errors is bullshit. People are lying.
When all of your witnesses make the same error then somebody is lying. Not all witnesses just don't see, totally miss a ventilation system for the alleged gas chamber. Wiernik went so far as to describe the detail of the roof opening having a hermetic cap. With that keen an eye for detail how could he miss the ventilation system? Answer: He couldn't.
I could go on but my point is plain. When you have to come up with a "what if", a "coulda woulda", a "mistake", an "exaggeration" etc. for every single facet of the events claimed for Treblinka, people are lying. If you're actually a law enforcement officer as you claim you damn well know that. What does matter is that you tried to blow smoke up everyone's dress about the pressures involved, engine run time, the lethal amount of CO and got called on it. Your phony data fell on its arse and you know it.
As far as your, "The Germans 'coulda' done it'"? Giddoutahere!
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Post by Nessie on Feb 17, 2022 17:02:46 GMT
Nessie wrote: OK, let's take a "for example". Wiernik and Rajchman both give dimensions for the mass graves that are close enough to be considered to be a reasonable description of the graves. The difference in dimensions could be considered negligible and just a mistake in estimating size. However, that doesn't explain the difference in the number of graves. Five versus eleven with at least one large enough to contain 250,000 cadavers. That doesn't pass the "error" test. Either one or both are lying about seeing graves. Rosenberg goes on to give completely different dimensions for the graves. Three times as long as Wiernik's and Rajchman's graves. Trying to palm such bullshit off as minor mistakes/errors is bullshit. People are lying. When all of your witnesses make the same error then somebody is lying. Not all witnesses just don't see, totally miss a ventilation system for the alleged gas chamber. Wiernik went so far as to describe the detail of the roof opening having a hermetic cap. With that keen an eye for detail how could he miss the ventilation system? Answer: He couldn't. I could go on but my point is plain. When you have to come up with a "what if", a "coulda woulda", a "mistake", an "exaggeration" etc. for every single facet of the events claimed for Treblinka, people are lying. If you're actually an law enforcement officer as you claim you damn well know that. What does matter is that you tried to blow smoke up everyone's dress about the pressures involved, engine run time, the lethal amount of CO and got called on it. Your phony data fell on its arse and you know it. As far as your, "The Germans 'coulda' done it'"? Giddoutahere! OK, lest look at that in detail. First link to and quote Rajchman and Wiernik stating there were either 5 or 11 graves. Wiernik does not mention how many graves there were in his book "A year in Treblinka" or in his court testimony. Rajchman does not mention how many graves there were in his court testimony or his book "Last Jew of Treblinka" either. So, where do you get the numbers from?
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 17, 2022 17:24:18 GMT
Wiernik shows five graves in his model. Rajchman enumerated eleven graves in his book, "The Last Jew in Treblinka, a Survivor's Memories".
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Post by Nessie on Feb 17, 2022 17:44:56 GMT
Wiernik shows five graves in his model. Rajchman enumerated eleven graves in his book, "The Last Jew in Treblinka, a Survivor's Memories". I see 6 graves in Wiernik's model, there are three in the main grave area and three in the Lazarette area.
I have found the quote from Rajchman; "By the end of June the space of the eleven pits, where hundreds of thousands of bodies had lain, was completely cleared" He does not specifically say what the split is between the main area and the Lazarette. The C S-C survey is far closer to what Rajchman said, as it has 10 main burial pits shown here; Since Wiernik's model is not made to scale and is merely representative, and he did not say how many graves there were, you are wrong to make a direct comparison.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 17, 2022 18:06:19 GMT
Wiernik's model shows five graves and the pit that was allegedly used for burning bodies. Remember Czarny? The guy who testified that blood had a chemical in it that rendered it flammable?
Uh-huh, just prolly made a little mistake...or something. Might have just misunderestimated. Could happen to anyone.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 17, 2022 18:18:04 GMT
Wiernik's model shows five graves and the pit that was allegedly used for burning bodies. Remember Czarny? The guy who testified that blood had a chemical in it that rendered it flammable? Uh-huh, just prolly made a little mistake...or something. Might have just misunderestimated. Could happen to anyone. Wiernik's model shows 6 pits and is not to scale and is merely representative. His 1946 map does not show how many graves there were, he just marks where graves were located.
Czarny was obviously wrong. His testimony was very emotive, so much so the trial Judge brought him to a halt and told him off;
"He halted his testimony for five minutes, weeping constantly. Presiding Judge Dov Levine repeatedly asked the witness: โณPlease try and control yourself. We understand what youโre going through, but please try.โณ
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 17, 2022 18:55:28 GMT
Five graves or six if you insist. Rajchman still claimed that there were eleven. Are you going to say that Wiernik just made a "little mistake" of didn't "get the scale right" to make up for the other six graves? BTW, it wouldn't have been an error of scale. It was numbers. Get your head out.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 17, 2022 20:07:49 GMT
Five graves or six if you insist. Rajchman still claimed that there were eleven. Are you going to say that Wiernik just made a "little mistake" of didn't "get the scale right" to make up for the other six graves? BTW, it wouldn't have been an error of scale. It was numbers. Get your head out. Wiernik's model was not merely representative, not to be taken literally. You are dodging that Rajchman said eleven graves, which is backed up by geophysics.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 18, 2022 4:54:32 GMT
Nessie wrote: Nessie is back to using his psychic powers to divine what Wiernik "meant" by his building a model of Treblinka. He's declaring Wiernik's model to be a schematic that showed nothing representational. Nessie is full of more [excrement] than a Christmas goose. It never crosses his mind that Wiernik was a lying POS and got his details wrong because he never actually saw any giant mass graves or barbeque grates that started out as 100-150 meters long and ended up about 30 meters long. From "A Year in Treblinka": Oh well, Wiernik's model was just a schematic so it don't make no difference. Yeah, that's the ticket.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 18, 2022 10:37:34 GMT
Nessie wrote: Nessie is back to using his psychic powers to divine what Wiernik "meant" by his building a model of Treblinka. He's declaring Wiernik's model to be a schematic that showed nothing representational. Nessie is full of more [excrement] than a Christmas goose. It never crosses his mind that Wiernik was a lying POS and got his details wrong because he never actually saw any giant mass graves or barbeque grates that started out as 100-150 meters long and ended up about 30 meters long. From "A Year in Treblinka": Oh well, Wiernik's model was just a schematic so it don't make no difference. Yeah, that's the ticket. One look at Wiernik's model and anyone can see it is not made to scale and it is a representation. He did not say how many graves there were in any of his testimony and his model is representative. You are again dodging how Rajchman and the geophysical findings tally.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 18, 2022 12:37:49 GMT
Here is the definition of the term, "scale model":
Claiming that that Wiernik's model doesn't show the correct number of graves because it isn't proportional shows a basic lack of understanding about the use of the word "scale". Wiernik built a representational model of Treblinka that wasn't built to scale. Scale doesn't explain his lack of the six extra graves. Neither does it explain Rosenberg's completely different description of the graves.
Once again Nessie resorts to his excuses for the alleged eyewitnesses to the Treblinka atrocities. Again he drags out his "what ifs", "coulda woulda", "mistakes", "exaggerations" and "it wasn't built to scale" to explain the lies of his charlatans.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 18, 2022 12:47:52 GMT
Here is the definition of the term, "scale model": Claiming that that Wiernik's model doesn't show the correct number of graves because it isn't proportional shows a basic lack of understanding about the use of the word "scale". Wiernik built a representational model of Treblinka that wasn't built to scale. Scale doesn't explain his lack of the six extra graves. Neither does it explain Rosenberg's completely different description of the graves. Once again Nessie resorts to his excuses for the alleged eyewitnesses to the Treblinka atrocities. Again he drags out his "what ifs", "coulda woulda", "mistakes", "exaggerations" and "it wasn't built to scale" to explain the lies of his charlatans. You weasel dodge that
1 - Wiernik did not say how many graves there were, so his model does not contradict anything he said
2 - that is model is merely representational, showing where in the camp the graves were located, which is exactly the same as the other witnesses, including Rajchman 3 - that Rajchman is corroborated by the geophysics.
What did Rosenberg say about the graves? I cannot find anything
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 18, 2022 14:31:18 GMT
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Post by Nessie on Feb 18, 2022 14:39:00 GMT
So, he does not say anything about how many graves there were. What is so significant about his claim regarding how far the graves were from the gas chambers?
His comment about a grave having a slope is corroborated by geophysics, where one was found to be sloped and at least 4m deep. You are again weasel dodging Rajchman's 11 graves is corroborated by the geophysics.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 18, 2022 15:38:17 GMT
You are lying about geophysics corroborating Rajchman's graves.
Wiernik, Rajchman and Rosenberg ALL give different descriptions of the graves. Wiernik and Rajchman give different numbers of the graves.
How long was the south perimeter of Treblinka?
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