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Post by nazgul on Feb 15, 2022 20:49:51 GMT
there is overwhelming evidence of mass gassings at A-B. Not many people are "overwhelmed" by this statement; the battleship Auschwitz was sunk long ago. You swimming around in circles with no more evidence is not going to alter peoples opinions. I do not think a few blown up morgues is much to go on. |
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 15, 2022 21:18:46 GMT
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Nessie is apparently claiming to have found the elusive Hitler order to commence killing the Jews. Hurray! Can we see that order, Nessie?
So, the Hoess confession didn't "cause a sensation" at the IMT? His confession wasn't the basis of the gas chamber myth? Gee, who knew?
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 15, 2022 21:27:42 GMT
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When a small handful of tiny unidentified bone shards are evidence of the cremains of 800,000 to 900,000 people, a couple of blown up morgues are overwhelming. When some ceramic tiles with a company logo stamped on them is positive proof of the existence of gas chambers, blown up morgues can't be discounted. You have to "follow the evidence", Nazgul.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 15, 2022 21:32:05 GMT
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"After the Hoess confession there was overwhelming evidence of gassing found". There, FIFY, Nessie.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 16, 2022 9:48:40 GMT
there is overwhelming evidence of mass gassings at A-B. Not many people are "overwhelmed" by this statement; the battleship Auschwitz was sunk long ago. You swimming around in circles with no more evidence is not going to alter peoples opinions. I do not think a few blown up morgues is much to go on. You are doing that denier thing of pretending there is not much evidence. It is also quite an admission that I am not going to alter people's opinions with more evidence. You have proved that denial is not evidence based and is more akin to a religious belief. |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 16, 2022 9:50:06 GMT
Nessie wrote: Nessie is apparently claiming to have found the elusive Hitler order to commence killing the Jews. Hurray! Can we see that order, Nessie? More strawman lies from you. Everyone apart from you. |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 16, 2022 9:56:17 GMT
Nazgul wrote: When a small handful of tiny unidentified bone shards are evidence of the cremains of 800,000 to 900,000 people,... Funding cremains on the surface of the ground in 2014, is evidence to suggest much more is still buried below and combined with the evidence from 1945 and when the memorial was constructed in the 1960s, that is proof of a large area of buried cremated and identifiable human remains. Multiple documents describing the construction of gas chambers inside the Kremas, which are then blown up, is evidence which can used to infer criminal intent. Add that to multiple witnesses who worked inside the Kremas and the circumstantial evidence and that is proof of mass gassings. That witnesses described the gas chambers as brick, concrete with tiles to make it look like a shower and then decades later, in the place where witnesses say the gas chambers were located, bricks, tiles and concrete were found, is corroborating evidence to confirm the witness claims. The destruction and burying of the building is evidence to infer criminality. |
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 16, 2022 12:29:58 GMT
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Don't forget that most of the witnesses described the "gas chambers" as being hermetically sealed, too. Then it wasn't known how many or the size of those chambers. In the 60s trials they had a hell of a time deciding on the size and number of chambers. Then we have the witnesses who said that they got showers at Treblinka. Of course they were just "selected" so they don't count. Such is life in holyhoax la-la land.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 16, 2022 14:05:51 GMT
Nessie wrote: Don't forget that most of the witnesses described the "gas chambers" as being hermetically sealed, too. Which you have an odd interpretation of, when witnesses describe doors and vents having seals and the chamber being sealed when the door was closed, which is not a perfect seal, since gas was then pumped in. Which was due to camps having more than one set of chambers and the different witnesses seeing different parts of the building. Name and quote the witnesses. |
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 17, 2022 1:05:07 GMT
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No, it's you who have a moronic concept of a container that's hermetically sealed. In my high school chemistry class we had a vacuum chamber. We could experiment with placing a glass of water in it and pumping air out to see when the water would begin to boil and other such high school experiments. Different types if gasses could be let into it. Your claim that once something is hermetically sealed, nothing can leave or enter it is fatuous bullshit.
Which was due to the witnesses lying about the number and size of the alleged gas chambers so the court had to make up numbers of its own.
Go watch Hunt's video again if you really want to know their names. You know damn well that witnesses testified to getting showers at Treblinka.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 17, 2022 9:43:19 GMT
Nessie wrote: No, it's you who have a moronic concept of a container that's hermetically sealed. In my high school chemistry class we had a vacuum chamber. We could experiment with placing a glass of water in it and pumping air out to see when the water would begin to boil and other such high school experiments. Different types if gasses could be let into it. Your claim that once something is hermetically sealed, nothing can leave or enter it is fatuous bullshit. All the witnesses meant by the chambers being hermetically sealed is that they would not leak as gas was pumped in. If there was a pressure issue pumping exhaust from an engine into multiple gas chambers, then that could be easily sorted with a simple vent. All that was needed was to make the air inside poisonous to breathe and the engine only ran for minutes. Your argument from incredulity that because you cannot imagine how it could work, therefore it cannot have worked, is a logical fallacy. I can imagine how the Nazis could make it work, but that does not therefore mean it happened. You have no evidence they lied, as opposed to they just disagreed and were referring to different gas chambers. No I do not, name and quote a witness who said he/she showered at TII. In any case, why did not TII worker ever describe showers? Where were the showers in the camp? You are dodging my point that witnesses you claim were transited through TII are not describing the same camp as those who worked at TII. |
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 17, 2022 11:40:09 GMT
Nessie wrote: Nessie once again exercises his psychic powers and tells what the witnesses "meant". Actually, if the gas chamber couldn't "leak" any of the exhaust it would collapse. Numerous witnesses SAID that the gas chamber was hermetically sealed. NONE of them said a single word about vents. If you can name and give a link to a Jew witness to the gas chambers who claims that they were vented I'll retract that. Until you do, your bullshit about what witnesses "meant" or "just didn't mention" is the lie that doesn't fly. Carbon Monoxide Concentrations: Table (AEN-172 ... [Search domain abe.iastate.edu] www.abe.iastate.edu โบ extension-and-outreach โบ carbon-monoxide-concentrations-table-aen-172 Quickly impaired thinking. Death within 30 minutes. 6400 ppm. Headache, dizziness and nausea within 1-2 minutes. Thinking impaired before response possible. Death within 10-15 minutes.
The engine was supposedly a M-5 tank engine. The Soviet knockoff of the Liberty L-12 aircraft engine of 27 liter displacement. You claim that it would only take "minutes" of the engine running to achieve 6,400 ppm, the lethal dose for humans within 30 minutes. Let's see your work for how you calculated that. Hint: Use the tables from the British Journal of Industrial Medicine. Fritz Berg had them copied on his website. Gee, I'm sure that Nessie isn't trying to blow smoke up our dresses so it shouldn't take him long to show us those calculations. I look forward to seeing your calculations, Nessie. The names of the witnesses in Hunt's video appear in the lower right hand corner of the screen. Go watch it again. |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 17, 2022 11:55:56 GMT
Nessie wrote: Nessie once again exercises his psychic powers and tells what the witnesses "meant". Actually, if the gas chamber couldn't "leak" any of the exhaust it would collapse. Numerous witnesses SAID that the gas chamber was hermetically sealed. NONE of them said a single word about vents. If you can name and give a link to a Jew witness to the gas chambers who claims that they were vented I'll retract that. Until you do, your bullshit about what witnesses "meant" or "just didn't mention" is the lie that doesn't fly. Just because no witness describes a gas chamber in a way you can imagine it would work, does not therefore mean they all lied and there were no gas chambers. How can you not see your argument is not logical and is based on the fallacious argument from incredulity? It does not matter that you cannot work out the fine details. Fact is, and we know this from all the suicides and deaths from CO poisoning, that in a space with not much ventilation, if CO leaks into the space, those inside will die. A common form of suicide is with a pipe from an exhaust into a car. Close the car vents and the gap in the window the pipe comes through and start the engine. The person inside dies long before there are any pressure issues. People who die inside their homes from CO or caravans or even tents, do so because the level is high enough to kill them, pressure is not an issue. The level becomes fatal long before there is so much CO that pressure is an issue. A Soviet petrol engine connected by pipes to say 6 chambers, each chamber crammed full of people, does not need to pump in huge amounts of exhaust to raise the level of CO to fatal. Close the doors, run the engine for 10 minutes, wait for another 20 minutes and everyone inside is dead. If running the engine is found to cause pressure issues, then fit a hinged vent somewhere in the system, as was reported for the gas vans. It will release pressure, without reducing the level of CO inside to no fatal levels. |
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 17, 2022 12:45:23 GMT
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Do you mean that your psychic powers are valid? I should ignore what the witnesses SAID and pay attention to your knowledge of the inner workings of their minds? Uh...Nessie...I don't live in holyhoax la-la land so I don't believe such bullshit.
I'm not the person who is claiming to have worked out how long the M-5 engine had to run in order to provide a LC 100 in the gas chamber. YOU ARE, so let's see your calculations for how you arrived at that.
The witnesses SAID that the gas chambers were hermetically sealed. Now, just for openers, how big were the gas chambers? Wiernik and Rajchman claimed 5X5 for the old gas chamber and 7X7 for the new. The court said something like 4X8(?) whatever but a different size. It was also claimed that both the old and the new gas chambers were operated simultaneously so there must have been two tank engines. You claim that it would take only ten minutes of engine operation to create a concentration of CO in the gas chamber of 6,400 ppm. How did you calculate that? How did you calculate that a 27 liter engine wouldn't raise the pressure appreciably in ten minutes in a hermetically sealed chamber of somewhere between 4X8(?) meters and 7X7 meters?
Actually, you're an innumerate and calculating what you claim is utterly beyond you. You have no idea above a goose how long the engine would have to run to achieve a LC 100 in the gas chamber or how much pressure would be generated in even one minute of engine operation. Sell such claptrap down the street, Nessie.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 17, 2022 15:49:11 GMT
Nessie wrote: Do you mean that your psychic powers are valid? I should ignore what the witnesses SAID and pay attention to your knowledge of the inner workings of their minds? Uh...Nessie...I don't live in holyhoax la-la land so I don't believe such bullshit. It is not bullshit to recognise witnesses use hyperbole, exaggerate, misremember, make mistakes, do not know about every detail of what they are describing. You are wrong to take them literally about everything they said, and ignore how witnesses all behave, including you. If you were asked to describe something, years, if not decades after you saw it happen, would you remember every single detail and get them all correct? The answer is no. It does not matter that we do not know precise details about the size of the gas chambers, the engine and how long it took. What is important is, was it possible, for Germans at that time, to engineer and construct a functioning gas chambers using an engine for a captured Soviet vehicle? The answer, which you agree with, is yes. |
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