General discussion on the Holocaust

Wait a minute, are you actually claiming that Wiernik wrote nothing but the truth in his book, "A Year in Treblinka"? Or, are you saying that he may have "exaggerated" a little or used some "hyperbole" to enhance what was essentially a truthful narrative? That Rosenberg gave truthful testimony about the hermetically sealed gas chamber? Or did he just make a "little mistake"?

Going through your laundry list produces an untold number of fantasies and lies and you actually believe them? That is almost beyond belief but your claim that I, a somewhat rational person, should believe them also is one of the most bizarre statements I've ever heard. An excerpt from the USHMM interview with Bomba:

The tales of just Wiernik and Bomba make the fairy tales of the brothers Grimm, the childhood fantasy of Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny seem sober and true narratives. You are either lying about believing such claptrap or you're truly unhinged.

Nessie wrote:

Because I don't use "arguments from incredulity" and you've shown no "logical fallacies". Quit your attempting to bullshit.

Nessie wrote:

You obviously don't even comprehend what an argument from incredulity means. Little boys don't ride their tricycles to the moon because someone just doesn't believe it. It's a fact that little boys can't ride their tricycles to the moon. I don't believe that the M&H dragline dug the graves because it's physically impossible for it to do so. Not because just for no reason at all except for I don't believe it. Neither do I believe Rajchman when he claims that the air was pumped out of the gas chamber before the engine exhaust was let in. That's not "just because I don't believe it". It's because it's well established that even a partial vacuum will collapse a steel or aluminum tank. "Argument from incredulity" my shiny hiney. Try to comprehend what you read, Nessie.

Nessie wrote:

Whether the Germans could build gas chambers, dig big pits and cremate cadavers has no relevance to the events that supposedly took place at Treblinka. Nessie tries to connect the German's capabilities specifically to the hermetically sealed gas chambers, the 12X30X50 meter graves supposedly dug by the M&H draglines and the cremation of hundreds of thousands using only twigs etc. for fuel. Could the Germans dig big pits? Of course they could. What the hell does that have to do with 12X30X50 meter pits being dug with a M&H dragline? Absolutely nothing! Zip, zero, nada.

Nessie then goes on to say:

Arad, CS-C, ARC et al. all claim that the M&H draglines from T-I were used to dig the graves. It's claimed that there are photos of those draglines digging the graves at Treblinka. Nessie and ONLY Nessie claims that some other type of equipment dug the graves at Treblinka.

Nessie knows absolutely nothing about his machine that supposedly dug the graves at Treblinka. He doesn't even know what kind of machine it was. No make, no model, no nada. Just some kind of magical mystery machine that could both excavate and stockpile the ex from the graves. Anyone who doesn't believe Nessie implicitly is guilty of a fallacy of incredulity.

Rajchman said that after 48 hours in the gas chamber that had the air pumped out of it, there were some people who "showed signs of life". Rajchman claimed that the new gas chambers were 7X7 meters and held about 400 people. (That's curious since he claimed that the old gas chambers were 5X5 meters and held 400-500 victims.) There's not enough oxygen in a 7X7 meter chamber to sustain 400 people for two days so we know that Rajchman was lying about people surviving. Was he lying about the air being pumped out of the chambers before the engine exhaust was let in? Of course he was.

Rajchman wasn't "wrong" about how the gas chamber functioned. There wasn't any gas chamber and Rajchman's fantasies are just bullshit. Nessie seems to think that he can pile enough "what ifs", "coulda woulda", "mistakes", "exaggerations" and "hyperbole" on the bizarre lies of the alleged eyewitnesses to make such fantasies believable. Add Nessie's non sequitur of, "The Germans could dig big pits, etc." and we come up with a big, fat, nothing-burger.

Nessie wrote:

Right, the little boy rode his tricycle to the moon and it doesn't make any difference whether you believe it or not. Like Church dogma, "Believe so that you may understand".

Nessie wrote:

Nessie can't seem to comprehend that it isn't true that the Germans murdered Jews as official government policy. He takes that as a given. The basis for that accusation was the Hoess "confession" and that confession is as fraudulent as any confession extracted from a victim of the Spanish Inquisition. It's an article of faith with Nessie that the Hoess confession was a genuine from the heart confession, freely given and the justification for the persecution of those "eeevul Narzis". Was the holyhoax a great crime? It was indeed but it wasn't perpetrated on the Jews.

That partisans were shot isn't a question. Your claim that Jews were shot for being Jews is bullshit. Were there excesses? Of course there were but there was no official government policy that Jews were to be shot.

Is it credible that the Jews were gassed with either Zyklon B or CO from the exhaust from an ICE? Of course not. Nessie declares his make believe "evidence" is proof that holyhoax actually occurred. Nessie is full of more [excrement] than a Christmas goose.

Nessie wrote:

Lemme' see I have have this straight. The Hoess confession had nothing to do with amy of the subsequent prosecutions of alleged war crimes. Is that what your claiming?