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Post by Nessie on Jan 5, 2022 9:23:55 GMT
That is his loss, we are not here to convince a hoaxer. We put information and suggestions forward for people to peruse. Nessie is predictable in that we know what he will say, he has said nothing new for years. Yet another reply with no evidence, in a thread asking for evidence. The obvious conclusion is that there is no evidence to back up the claims of those who deny that gassings took place at the AR camps or A-B kremas. |
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Post by Agandaur on Jan 5, 2022 9:26:29 GMT
That is his loss, we are not here to convince a hoaxer. We put information and suggestions forward for people to peruse. Nessie is predictable in that we know what he will say, he has said nothing new for years. Yet another reply with no evidence, in a thread asking for evidence. The obvious conclusion is that there is no evidence to back up the claims of those who deny that gassings took place at the AR camps or A-B kremas. More waffle about evidencing Nessie. People simply deny the allegations due to lack of evidence for the claim. I think you need different evidence in favour of your proposal. |
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 5, 2022 9:30:58 GMT
Nessie wrote:
There is irrefutable evidence that Treblinka acted as a transit camp. What can't you understand about that?
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Post by Agandaur on Jan 5, 2022 9:38:52 GMT
There is irrefutable evidence that Treblinka acted as a transit camp. What can't you understand about that? All camps acted as transit camps, but this does not mean there were not mass murderers in those places. Perhaps people were transited out for murder episodes, not by the Government (the Nazis) but by criminals who found disposing of some people and collecting their goods easier than others. Just a thought for people to consider. |
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 5, 2022 10:08:45 GMT
Seems far-fetched, Agandaur. Who were these nefarious beings who transported the Jews out of the transit camps for the purpose of murdering and robbing them?
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Post by Ulios on Jan 5, 2022 10:24:47 GMT
Seems far-fetched, Agandaur. Who were these nefarious beings who transported the Jews out of the transit camps for the purpose of murdering and robbing them? I meant the camps functioned as a jew camp; but the right time and right jews arriving the camp could be evacuated on some pretext to get unfortunates in for a clandestine criminal activity under the guise of Government Policy. There could have been a criminal element acting within the legal Reich guidelines. Of course now the Reich has got the rap. I am talking of a few thousand Jews, not almost a million. David Irving also had this hypothesis. It is interesting that Globus and others ended up in the same place at the end. |
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Post by been_there on Jan 5, 2022 11:49:41 GMT
Wow! He โbelievesโ and falsely clams with no evidence โI am sure in the past, on old RODOH, you did claim it was illogicalโ.
HERE IS THE REALITY: I didnโt claim that, and I donโt claim that now.
His logical approach on this point โ if it were to be consistent โ would be now to demand I provide evidence that I didnโt โclaimโ that. And if I canโt provide evidence, he will conclude that proves I did claim it was illogical. ๐๐คฆโโ๏ธ This shows the level of literally stupid illogicality this person is operating with. That is not an insult, but a demonstrable fact. I suggest it also shows the levels of dishonest discussion this person has no qualms about sinking to. I think it demonstrates that in reality he is NOT interested in discovering โwhat actually happenedโ in Aktion Reinhardt camps. That appears to be a dishonest pose and in reality he is only interested in defending a discredited, empirically refuted โbeliefโ. I suggest this reply above โcombined with his other false arguments โ shows that to defend that belief-system, no dishonest tactics are off-limits for him. How about you stop nitpicking over semantics and interpretations of what I have said, and you show an interest in discovering "what actually happened?" Ho-hum! (sigh). So, Just as I have to prove what I actually wrote on old RODOH if I didnโt claim โasking what happened is illogicalโ, likewise this klown expects skeptics to prove what actually happened at AR camps and Birkenau in order to deflect from the reality of no mass-gassings on the scale claimed. In other words, all because he knows that the โ holocaustโ mass-gassing allegation has been empirically refuted and he can not argue against that fact. Here is the reality he is trying to escape from: no requisite numbers of dead bodies or cremains at the claimed mass-murder sites; no requisite ground disturbance that could ever have accommodated them; no practically possible description of the proces of mass-gassing the alleged numbers; no consistent or verifiable number of โmissingโ Jews; etc., etc., etc. So what did happen? And what does the evidence actually show? โข The evidence exists showing that Jews were incarcerated in numerous camps. 44,000 camps and ghettos across the European continent, to be precise. โข The evidence shows that Jewish people who survived were not only NOT gassed in their alleged millions but were moved between these numerous different camps and ghettos, as needs dictated. โข The evidence shows that this movement includes thousands of Jews transited through camps falsely claimed to be ONLY for mass-murder via gas. โข The evidence shows that the claimed extermination camps were used to confiscate wealth of these Jews in a programme code-named Aktion Reinhardt after the State Minister Fritz Reinhardt. โข The evidence collected by the Red Cross and confirmed by Soviet-captured (and hidden) log books shows that at Auschwitz less than a million died and the vast majority of them were Catholics, not Jews. โข The evidence shows that the Soviets lied about this evidence at Auschwitz. โข The evidence shows that the Soviets witheld from the Red Cross and their Allies all info about movements of people in their territory. Etc., etc. This info has been provided with verifiable reference previously. But what evidence or info will suffice for a person who STILL does not understand the simple definition of โpyreโ, nor โempiricalโ, and who makes FALSE CLAIMS about what has been written and claimed by others? |
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Post by Nessie on Jan 5, 2022 16:09:28 GMT
How about you stop nitpicking over semantics and interpretations of what I have said, and you show an interest in discovering "what actually happened?" Ho-hum! (sigh). ....... So what did happen? And what does the evidence actually show? At last, someone has got to the point of the topic! Correct. What is important is how many of those camps and ghettos were open in 1945. It stands to reason that if there were 44,000 camps and ghettos open in 1945, then that is where the Nazis were accommodating all the c2.5 million people historians claims had been gassed. Can you please evidence how many of those camps and ghettos were open in 1945 and how many Jews were found in each one, the tally being how many survived. Correct. It again stands to reason that if c2.5 million people were not gassed at the AR camps and A-B Kremas, then there will be multiple documents and witnesses evidencing the transportation of those people to other camps. Can you show that evidence? Correct. Please show how many thousands are evidence to have been transited through those places. If the tally is only in the thousands, that leaves millions unaccounted for. Correct. However, there needs to be 1 - evidence of what happened to the Jews once all their property had been stolen from them 2 - an explanation as how taking everything, including the most personal of items, such as shoes, underwear, spectacles, walking sticks and gold teeth is commensurate with a resettlement programme and not gassings. Please show evidence of what did happen inside the A-B Kremas, Krema I in 1942-3 and Kremas II, III, IV and V in 1943-4, as well as the two converted farmhouses, sometimes referred to as Bunkers in 1942-4. They are where historians say the various gas chambers were located. The issue is with the Jews in Nazi custody, 1941-5. If you are suggesting that c2.5 million Jews were not gassed and somehow ended up in Soviet controlled territory, please show your evidence. I have explained what evidence you are missing. Please provide links to the evidence you have. |
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 5, 2022 22:41:08 GMT
Nessie is back to wailing, "Where did they goooooo?".
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Post by Ulios on Jan 6, 2022 0:28:05 GMT
Nessie is back to wailing, "Where did they goooooo?". Yep and asking again for evidence that has already been presented. We have a combination of fake stats, with natural attrition due to mortality; the transportation of hundreds of thousands of Jews by the Soviets. It was calculated 2.2 million could not be accounted for but there was enough space through the Reich and its territories. (44 thousand camps), the names and places of most lost in time. Jews that fell in Russian hands had to escape as Lantos and his mother did; they held them captive. The fact that allied bombing and total loss of infrastructure meant no water, food, heat or shelt seems lost on the poster Nessie. While 3.5 million European jews had survived what was to be a total annihilation program strongly suggests another story. Of course the following sum 9.5 - 3.5 = 6 million supports the Shoah claim. 1.9 million were natural mortality, higher than normal due to lack of doctors and food shortages. I will put in Venators table which explains it link: European Jews
(million) | Event | No. Millions | Remaining |
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| 9.5 | | 9.5 | natural attrition | 1.90 | 7.6 | | 7.6 | Soviet transports | 0.63 | 6.97 | | 6.97 | Emigration | 0.53 | 6.44 | | 6.44 | fleeing | 0.50 | 5.94 | | 5.94 | remaining | 3.8 | 2.14 |
Note that the 3.8 million is the population that remained in Europe; there were hundred of thousands if not millions that fled after the war to he US, Israel and many other places.
They went to South Africa, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, South America post war. This is where they went.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 6, 2022 9:59:07 GMT
This thread is about what happened inside the AR camps and A-B Kremas. Any more posts that are off-topic will be moderated.
This is the denier/revisionist chance to prove to the world that they can evidence what really happened. So, using witnesses, documents, photos, physical evidence and anything directly pertaining to the AR camps at Belzec, Sobibor and TII and the camp at Chelmno and the A-B Kremas, prove what did happen.
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Post by Turnagain on May 6, 2022 9:48:09 GMT
Nessie wrote:
Nessie goes for a backdoor answer to his wail of, "Where did they gooooooo?". Once again, it's not the job of revisionists to prove what happened at Treblinka. Nessie has been told that on multiple occasions but chooses to ignore that. So, once more for the umpteenth time, hoaxers claim that ~860,000 people, mostly Jews were gassed, buried, exhumed, cremated and reburied in the mass graves of Treblinka. Revisionists DON'T have to prove what happened at Treblinka. They need only prove that the ~860,000 WEREN'T gassed, buried, exhumed, cremated and reburied at Treblinka.
What don't you understand about that, Nessie? Your claim of mass murder has been DEBUNKED. The hermetically sealed gas/vacuum chambers are a fiction. Given the laws of physics, notably Boyle's law, the hermetically sealed gas/vacuum chambers are an impossibility. There is NO evidence of the mass graves as described by the alleged eyewitnesses. Exhuming whole bodies with a clamshell equipped dragline is an impossibility. The method of cremation as described by the alleged eyewitnesses is an impossibility. You have nothing but your litany of excuses, "what ifs" and "coulda woulda" to refute any of the above statements. IOW, you have NOTHING!
Your attempt to switch the burden of proof to revisionists is a FAIL. Revisionists DO NOT have to prove that Treblinka was a transit camp although that is its likely purpose. Hoaxsters need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that their accusation of mass murder is indeed a fact and you haven't done that. Do you understand? You have made the accusation of mass murder against the Germans so you have to prove that accusation. You haven't done that. You have shown NO conclusive evidence of homicidal activity at Treblinka. NONE, zip, zero, nada. What don't you understand about that?
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Post by nazgul on May 6, 2022 10:51:02 GMT
You have shown NO conclusive evidence of homicidal activity at Treblinka. NONE, zip, zero, nada. What don't you understand about that? The maps by Wiernik and others are conclusive that the Treblinka of their world is not that of Nessies world. If there was mass murder it was not at the location Nessie thinks. He is stuck in his model of reality; this is the jews view, the jew world. He has no interest in the truth at all. Ignore the jerk. |
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