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Post by Sandhurst on Dec 26, 2021 18:17:00 GMT
No, read the report, it states clearly that it was the ashes from the cremations at the Altmarkt; "In consideration of the rapidly advancing decomposition and the existing extraordinary difficulties with the rescue, as well as the lack of suitable vehicles for the transfer to cemeteries with the approval of the Gauleiter and the city administration on the Altmarkt a total of 6,865 dead cremated. The ashes of the fallen were transferred to a cemetery." I have no problem with people being cremated in the old market; I am sure there would be sufficient wood to perform this. The issue is with the photos that show smouldering and not cremation. One would think a roaring flame would be more photo worthy. The scientific fact of 100MJ of heat energy per person to remove the water cannot be surpassed. Human flesh and fat only have a tenth of this amount so the energy has to come from external sources. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 26, 2021 18:19:35 GMT
No, read the report, it states clearly that it was the ashes from the cremations at the Altmarkt; "In consideration of the rapidly advancing decomposition and the existing extraordinary difficulties with the rescue, as well as the lack of suitable vehicles for the transfer to cemeteries with the approval of the Gauleiter and the city administration on the Altmarkt a total of 6,865 dead cremated. The ashes of the fallen were transferred to a cemetery." I have no problem with people being cremated in the old market; I am sure there would be sufficient wood to perform this. The issue is with the photos that show smouldering and not cremation. One would think a roaring flame would be more photo worthy. The scientific fact of 100MJ of heat energy per person to remove the water cannot be surpassed. Human flesh and fat only have a tenth of this amount so the energy has to come from external sources. Your suggestion is that the pyres would not have burned the bodies to ashes. You have produced no evidence to prove that suggestion. Your suggestion is dismissed as unevidenced.
I have produced documentary evidence that the pyres did result in ashes, which were then burned in local cemeteries.
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Post by Sandhurst on Dec 26, 2021 18:25:19 GMT
Your suggestion is that the pyres would not have burned the bodies to ashes. You have produced no evidence to prove that suggestion. Your suggestion is dismissed as unevidenced. I have produced documentary evidence that the pyres did result in ashes, which were then burned in local cemeteries. Those pyres would not have cooked an egg let alone create the temperatures to cremate a human being. The reports must be about another pyre, not that smouldering mass. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 26, 2021 18:31:23 GMT
Your suggestion is that the pyres would not have burned the bodies to ashes. You have produced no evidence to prove that suggestion. Your suggestion is dismissed as unevidenced. I have produced documentary evidence that the pyres did result in ashes, which were then burned in local cemeteries. Those pyres would not have cooked an egg let alone create the temperatures to cremate a human being. The reports must be about another pyre, not that smouldering mass. You have no evidence to back up that claim, therefore it is dismissed as speculation. |
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Post by Sandhurst on Dec 26, 2021 18:43:07 GMT
You have no evidence to back up that claim, therefore it is dismissed as speculation. An apparent lack of scientific literacy is the issue here with the poster Nessie. To be fair he thinks corpses can light like a bonfire when a match is thrown on them. Believes in "spontaneous human combustion" and the "wick" effect. Here are the cremation facts. Here are facts about smouldering. .JPG) This is a smouldering mass well below the temperatures needed for cremation. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 26, 2021 20:11:46 GMT
You have no evidence to back up that claim, therefore it is dismissed as speculation. An apparent lack of scientific literacy is the issue here with the poster Nessie. To be fair he thinks corpses can light like a bonfire when a match is thrown on them. That is not true. They are both evidenced. You link to Wiki, which states "During World War II (1939โ45) Nazi Germany used specially built furnaces in at least six extermination camps throughout occupied Poland including at Auschwitz-Birkenau, Cheลmno, Belzec, Majdanek, Sobibor and Treblinka, where the bodies of those murdered by gassing were disposed of using incineration." The photo is the pyre at the very start of the process. It tallies with witness claims about not much wood was needed. Pyres on grates over not much wood are evidenced and your doubts are irrelevant. |
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Post by Sandhurst on Dec 26, 2021 21:13:28 GMT
There are no doubts; it is a law of nature that each corpse has on average 50 litre of water that has to be evaporated before combustion. The Dresden pyre photos are misleading, like the Auschwitz photos of the shoes being stacked high. These shoes are on a sloping floor to create the illusion of a huge volume. It may well be the same illusion applies to the Dresden pyre in which some bodies are stacked over a pile of wood and tyes; combustion would occur. |
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Dec 26, 2021 21:55:27 GMT
If the Treblinka and Sobibor pyres were so successful, simple and cheap in construction ( a few cinder blocks and railway lines) it begs the question why the Auschwitz adminitration spent so much money on getting proper crematoria built. Topf and Sohne should have used Scharfรผhrer Herbert Floร; I am sure the brush wood could be supplied by someone to get it all going.
I realize there are claims of a burning pit (spaghetti girl apparently got thrown into one) at Birkenau but the cremation oven idea is a bad one when 2000 could be dealt with in a single afternoon.
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 26, 2021 23:09:47 GMT
Essentially, Nessie states that a pile of bodies in Dresden proves that at Treblinka 700,000 plus whole cadavers were exhumed by a dragline, piled 15-20 feet high on a grate built some 50-70 centimeters off the ground and were cremated using only twigs, brush or camp detritus for fuel. The teeth and the carbonized bones of the victims were then spread out on sheets of tin and pounded to powder with wooden mallets. The cremains were then reinterred in one or more of the mass graves. That's all proven by a pile of bodies photographed at Dresden after the firestorm air raid.
Somehow I don't believe that. Of course that's just what the witnesses say and witnesses are always mistaken, exaggerating or using hyperbole. According to Nessie, that is.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Dec 26, 2021 23:35:33 GMT
Somehow I don't believe that. Of course that's just what the witnesses say and witnesses are always mistaken, exaggerating or using hyperbole. According to Nessie, that is. You obviously lack the necessary faith to accept endothermic reactions become exothermic. At the AR camps it was thought that it was due to the sacred jew blood, but there must be another factor to account for the Dresden Nazis, who apparently burn just as well as Jews. Exothermically of course. There must be a space time portal over Dresden and the AR camps which will allow for the laws of physics to be suspended for a while, even reversed. In the meantime you must be a believer, not a Holocaust Heathen; stop the $hoah $henanigans. Here is a photo of Herbert Floร as a kid. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 27, 2021 8:37:15 GMT
Essentially, Nessie states that a pile of bodies in Dresden proves that at Treblinka 700,000 plus whole cadavers were exhumed by a dragline, piled 15-20 feet high on a grate built some 50-70 centimeters off the ground and were cremated using only twigs, brush or camp detritus for fuel. The teeth and the carbonized bones of the victims were then spread out on sheets of tin and pounded to powder with wooden mallets. The cremains were then reinterred in one or more of the mass graves. That's all proven by a pile of bodies photographed at Dresden after the firestorm air raid. Somehow I don't believe that. Of course that's just what the witnesses say and witnesses are always mistaken, exaggerating or using hyperbole. According to Nessie, that is. The Dresden pyres do NOT prove the AR camp pyres. Yet again you are being dishonest and you are deliberately ignoring my explanation about EVIDENCING and PROOF.
The Dresden pyres are SUPPORTING EVIDENCE only, that corroborates the WITNESS EVIDENCE and PHYSICAL EVIDENCE, so that is three SEPARATE forms of evidence that CORROBORATE, to prove mass pyres at the AR camps.
Your claims that pyres on grates are physically impossible are undermined by the pyres at Dresden. It does not matter what you arrogantly think is possible or not.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 27, 2021 8:39:27 GMT
Somehow I don't believe that. Of course that's just what the witnesses say and witnesses are always mistaken, exaggerating or using hyperbole. According to Nessie, that is. You obviously lack the necessary faith to accept endothermic reactions become exothermic. At the AR camps it was thought that it was due to the sacred jew blood, but there must be another factor to account for the Dresden Nazis, who apparently burn just as well as Jews. Exothermically of course. There must be a space time portal over Dresden and the AR camps which will allow for the laws of physics to be suspended for a while, even reversed. In the meantime you must be a believer, not a Holocaust Heathen; stop the $hoah $henanigans. Here is a photo of Herbert Floร as a kid. <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> Or, your understanding of the science is flawed and despite your disbelief, a cremation pyre of bodies on a grate over some wood, would work. If you were correct, then BBQs would not work. BBQs work, therefore you are wrong. |
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Dec 27, 2021 8:47:40 GMT
Or, your understanding of the science is flawed and despite your disbelief, a cremation pyre of bodies on a grate over some wood, would work. If you were correct, then BBQs would not work. BBQs work, therefore you are wrong. The science is not flawed and neither is any understanding. Your lack of scientific literacy appears to be an issue. A BBQ is raw meat grilled over a heat source with adequate fuel. The meat however, is not reduced to ashes in a BBQ. A flare up in a BBQ is common but this will not "cremate" the steak. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 27, 2021 9:50:58 GMT
Or, your understanding of the science is flawed and despite your disbelief, a cremation pyre of bodies on a grate over some wood, would work. If you were correct, then BBQs would not work. BBQs work, therefore you are wrong. The science is not flawed and neither is any understanding. Your lack of scientific literacy appears to be an issue. A BBQ is raw meat grilled over a heat source with adequate fuel. The meat however, is not reduced to ashes in a BBQ. A flare up in a BBQ is common but this will not "cremate" the steak. It is easy to get a BBQ too hot, and it sets whatever is on the grill on fire. If that fire was left to just burn out, you would be left with burnt down remains and ashes. Unlike you, I do not pretend to know the science, instead I look to see what is evidenced to have happened. Cremations on pyres on grates are evidence to have happened at Dresden and the AR camps. |
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 27, 2021 9:58:13 GMT
First Nessie states:
Then he goes on to say:
Well, for openers, your witnesses are liars and you have no physical evidence of either graves or cremains at Treblinka. The pile of bodies at Dresden prove nothing about Treblinka.
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