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Post by Sandhurst on Dec 24, 2021 11:50:22 GMT
we know that happened, because of the document about how many were cremated and what happened to the cremains. Can you produce those documents please Nessie. Thank you. |
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Post by been_there on Dec 24, 2021 12:08:58 GMT
The photos of the Dresden pyres are very similar to... [blah, blah, blah]Wiernik described the pyre at Treblinka as follows: Examine the Dresden pyre carefully and see if this is a huge inferno which from a distance would like like a volcano breaking through the earths crust. Wiernik also says: Just lit a match and up they went... I think at Dresen they would have used a considerable amount of fuel. Remember 100MJ of water for each body just to remove the water. 6865 bodies were allegedly burned at the "Old Market"; this would need 686,500 MJ (0.6865 terajoules) of heat energy for evaporation. This is a scientific fact and cannot be avoided. Woody biomass has an average heating density of 14.9 megajoules per kilogram (pine even less). 46 tonne of wood is needed for this evaporation at 6.7 kg per corpse at the minimum. Most cremations use 100kg per body minimum. The adipose tissue will only contribute to the heat energy after the water has evaporated. Here below is the photo of the pyre aflame. From it, we can see that there is no way the bodies will be turned into ash, and them made to disappear leaving no trace โ not even bone shards and teeth โ as is alleged occurred to nearly a million bodies of โShoahedโ Jews at Treblinka.  Check out the following example of the dishonest mind-set of a โholocaustโ promoter who choses to use blatant deception to promote his pseudo-historical, unevidenced โshoahโ belief-system:  |
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 24, 2021 19:28:32 GMT
Just curious, been-there, but why are the flames in color but the rest of the photo black and white?
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Post by Nessie on Dec 24, 2021 19:30:46 GMT
we know that happened, because of the document about how many were cremated and what happened to the cremains. Can you produce those documents please Nessie. Thank you. I already have, and did so again, but for some inexplicable reason, that was considered off topic, so go look for yourself  |
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Post by Sandhurst on Dec 24, 2021 19:35:52 GMT
Just curious, been-there, but why are the flames in color but the rest of the photo black and white? Poor color resolution in those old Kodak films; Feb 45 means it was during the Winter months with bleak conditions and poor light. However, the sky is blue if you look carefully. |
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 24, 2021 20:22:25 GMT
Just curious, been-there, but why are the flames in color but the rest of the photo black and white? Poor color resolution in those old Kodak films; Feb 45 means it was during the Winter months with bleak conditions and poor light. However, the sky is blue if you look carefully. Perhaps but I'm not convinced. Here's a whole slew of color photos from 1940s. duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=color+photos+from+1945&atb=v207-1&iax=images&ia=images |
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Post by Sandhurst on Dec 24, 2021 21:03:54 GMT
Perhaps but I'm not convinced. Here's a whole slew of color photos from 1940s. My first impression was it was a poor quality color photo of the time; kodak really did make good color prints. It came to me that this was a colored black and white photo badly done like so many others I have seen. The photo of Matahari below was in monochrome colored professionally; this looks good the opposite to the bad jobs done all those years ago. |
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 24, 2021 21:38:29 GMT
Perhaps but I'm not convinced. Here's a whole slew of color photos from 1940s. My first impression was it was a poor quality color photo of the time; kodak really did make good color prints. It came to me that this was a colored black and white photo badly done like so many others I have seen. The photo of Matahari below was in monochrome colored professionally; this looks good the opposite to the bad jobs done all those years ago. Indeed, I too question the validity of the photo. Unfortunately I can't say one way or the other. I do recall that there was just one photographer who took the photos of the scenes in the Altmarkt after the raid. It would seem that roll or rolls of film would be a very valuable historical document and there would be a sequence of such photos. If such photos exist I haven't been able to find them. That doesn't mean they don't exist, just that I can't find them. Not surprising given my lack of computer skills.
It's also possible that the smoke from the pile of bodies was added onto the photo. Some of the puffs have no connection to the cadavers at all. However, I'm not a photo analyst and the questionable smoke might just be my bias showing. Have to leave it in the questionable but unproven file.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 26, 2021 11:23:39 GMT
My first impression was it was a poor quality color photo of the time; kodak really did make good color prints. It came to me that this was a colored black and white photo badly done like so many others I have seen. The photo of Matahari below was in monochrome colored professionally; this looks good the opposite to the bad jobs done all those years ago. Indeed, I too question the validity of the photo. Unfortunately I can't say one way or the other. I do recall that there was just one photographer who took the photos of the scenes in the Altmarkt after the raid. It would seem that roll or rolls of film would be a very valuable historical document and there would be a sequence of such photos. If such photos exist I haven't been able to find them. That doesn't mean they don't exist, just that I can't find them. Not surprising given my lack of computer skills.
It's also possible that the smoke from the pile of bodies was added onto the photo. Some of the puffs have no connection to the cadavers at all. However, I'm not a photo analyst and the questionable smoke might just be my bias showing. Have to leave it in the questionable but unproven file.
The "validity" of the Dresden pyre photos is best determined by other evidence. There is evidence from witnesses, other photos and documents, that air raids took place, leaving many dead, whose remains were cremated.
You have admitted that you have no evidential basis for your suspicions about the Dresden photos, just your own suspicions. Those suspicions are driven by the similarity between the Dresden pyre and the pyres described at the AR camps, which have repeatedly claimed are physical impossibilities, again without producing any supporting evidence.
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 26, 2021 13:23:42 GMT
Nessie resorts to his well known weasel dodges. There is "other evidence". He pretends that I question whether or not the air raids on Dresden actually occurred. How many died in the raid is unknown. Some claim as few as 20,000 and others say over 100,000. In any event there's documentation that about 6,800 were cremated for health requirements. Can he quote someone saying that the piles of bodies were the bodies that were cremated? No, of course he can't. Are there reasonable questions about the validity of the photos? Yes, there are. Where are the "other photos" that confirm that the pile of bodies are indeed the ones being cremated. If Nessie knows of a complete album of the photos taken at Dresden, why doesn't he post a link to that site?
He then goes on to declare that the pile of bodies shown at Dresden prove the fantasies of the magic Jew barbeque at Treblinka. Up to 3,000 cadavers are piled on railroad rails laid about two meters wide and 30 meters long. That results in bodies stacked over 30 bodies high. Completely cremated with twigs, brush or camp detritus for fuel or in the case of Wiernik's testimony, no fuel at all. Just that a "giant torch" was lit. A "torch" that resembled a volcano erupting. Of course Nessie excuses all of the lies as "exaggerations", "hyperbole", etc. So it goes in holyhoax la-la land.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 26, 2021 14:42:57 GMT
Nessie resorts to his well known weasel dodges. There is "other evidence". He pretends that I question whether or not the air raids on Dresden actually occurred. How many died in the raid is unknown. Some claim as few as 20,000 and others say over 100,000. In any event there's documentation that about 6,800 were cremated for health requirements. Can he quote someone saying that the piles of bodies were the bodies that were cremated? No, of course he can't. Are there reasonable questions about the validity of the photos? Yes, there are. Where are the "other photos" that confirm that the pile of bodies are indeed the ones being cremated. If Nessie knows of a complete album of the photos taken at Dresden, why doesn't he post a link to that site? If doubts are correct, then other cremations took place at the Altmarkt, that were not of the air raid dead, which seems highly unlikely, since every source I can find for the photos attributes them to cremations that took place just after the air raids. The background of the photos clearly shows the Altmarkt, just after the air raids. I have linked to and quoted an official report about cremations in the Altmarkt. Here it is again; web.archive.org/web/20140502040509/http://www.cpgg.info/docs/schlussmeldung_dresden1945.htm"In consideration of the rapidly advancing decomposition and the existing extraordinary difficulties with the rescue, as well as the lack of suitable vehicles for the transfer to cemeteries with the approval of the Gauleiter and the city administration on the Altmarkt a total of 6,865 dead cremated. The ashes of the fallen were transferred to a cemetery." What was that report discussing, if it was not the cremations photographed at the Altmarkt? The witness descriptions of a large number of bodies piled onto grates with not much wood underneath, are just like the Altmarkt photos. The AR camp pyres were usually described as being larger, which is hardly surprising. Using emotive, rather than specifically descriptive terms to describe a mass pyre, is not odd in any way. Your claim that the AR camp pyres are a physical impossibility has been totally undermined. |
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 26, 2021 15:09:12 GMT
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So, who said that the pile of bodies shown in the photograph were the bodies that were cremated? Nessie weasel dodges again. Where are the other photos taken at Dresden? Yet another weasel dodge. Does a pile of bodies at Dresden prove the existence of the magic Jew barbeque? Nessie shrieks, "It does, it does".
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Post by Nessie on Dec 26, 2021 15:58:56 GMT
Nessie wrote: So, who said that the pile of bodies shown in the photograph were the bodies that were cremated? Nessie weasel dodges again. I have not been dodging, you have. You have repeatedly dodged the document I have linked to on multiple occasions (a number of those posts have been moved)and quoted. It is from the "The Higher SS and Police Leader Elbe in the districts of Halle-Merseburg, Saxony and military district IV - Commander of the regulatory police". If you are claiming the cremation of bodies reported in the document to have taken place in the Altmarkt after the air raid, is different from the photo of the pyre at the Altmarkt taken after the air raid, then it is up to to evidence that. It is not up to me to disprove your claim, remember the burden of proof. What's stopping you from googling photos of Dresden air raids and the Altmarkt? Look; www.google.com/search?q=dresden+air+raid+altmarkt&client=firefox-b-d&channel=crow5&sxsrf=AOaemvJSDHFAGSZKHNDrHndJZzNdQ3wwGA:1640534234615&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwia2K6i6oH1AhV0lFwKHaRqAk0Q_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1536&bih=703&dpr=1.25You just hate evidence that contradicts your beliefs. Not true. I state it is SUPPORTING EVIDENCE, not proof. There is a difference, learn that difference. |
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Post by Sandhurst on Dec 26, 2021 17:50:51 GMT
The ashes of those who perished in the firestorm.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 26, 2021 18:11:13 GMT
The ashes of those who perished in the firestorm. No, read the report, it states clearly that it was the ashes from the cremations at the Altmarkt; "In consideration of the rapidly advancing decomposition and the existing extraordinary difficulties with the rescue, as well as the lack of suitable vehicles for the transfer to cemeteries with the approval of the Gauleiter and the city administration on the Altmarkt a total of 6,865 dead cremated. The ashes of the fallen were transferred to a cemetery." |
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