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Post by Nessie on Mar 21, 2022 20:04:08 GMT
Just because you don't know the full gorry details and exactly how the cremations worked, does not mean they did not happen. They are evidenced by multiple witnesses, physical remains and circumstantial evidence, which by all normal standards of evidence is sufficient to prove. We realize there were witnesses who thought they saw happened but were mistaken. The reality is that unless there was an adequate amount of fuel it did not happen as described. To keep on saying "I have witnesses" only needs to be said once or twice, sounding like mantra now though. Unless you have something new to add then shut up. You repeat yourself. You claim there was not enough fuel, in your opinion. That is all you have. |
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Post by Ulios on Mar 21, 2022 20:09:54 GMT
We realize there were witnesses who thought they saw happened but were mistaken. The reality is that unless there was an adequate amount of fuel it did not happen as described. To keep on saying "I have witnesses" only needs to be said once or twice, sounding like mantra now though. Unless you have something new to add then shut up. You repeat yourself. You claim there was not enough fuel, in your opinion. That is all you have. That is all that is needed to explain endothermic reactions. This is an exact science. Put simply water doesn't burn, there is not enough fat to sustain combustion and cannot get to ignition temp while there is water present. That leaves the witnesses lying or mistaken. |
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Post by Turnagain on Mar 21, 2022 20:11:39 GMT
Nessie wrote:
That's one of your more lame responses. I'm not an expert on cremations but that doesn't mean that I don't know how a crematory works and the results of cremation. There are video ads for crematories that show the step by step process plus other searches for the topic of "cremations". Cremations in India for example, with videos. In the information age, ignorance is a choice.
The remains at Ohrdruf are NOT cremains. Cremains are the pulverized carbonized bones and teeth of the remains. The remains at Ohrdruf are charred remains. They are the intact remains of cadavers that have had their epidermis and some tissue burned away. They have NOT been cremated. What can't you understand about that?
If cremains have been recovered at Treblinka their origin is equivocal. It seems likely that remains have been recovered but the cremains that could be found at Treblinka are of unknown origin. Cremains found on the surface could have come from Jews dumping cremains there. NO cremains have been recovered from the alleged burial pits at Treblinka. I find it hard to believe that anyone can be stupid enough to believe that cremains have been recovered from the alleged mass graves so your claims must stem from other motives. There is no circumstantial evidence for the existence of cremains. They either exist or they don't.
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Post by Nessie on Mar 21, 2022 20:13:13 GMT
You repeat yourself. You claim there was not enough fuel, in your opinion. That is all you have. That is all that is needed to explain endothermic reactions. This is an exact science. Put simply water doesn't burn, there is not enough fat to sustain combustion and cannot get to ignition temp while there is water present. That leaves the witnesses lying or mistaken. No, since similar methods were used in Tibet, at Dresden and Ohrdruf. Not as much wood as expected is sufficient to evaporate water and set the corpses on fire. |
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Post by Nessie on Mar 21, 2022 20:25:03 GMT
Nessie wrote: That's one of your more lame responses. I'm not an expert on cremations but that doesn't mean that I don't know how a crematory works and the results of cremation. There are video ads for crematories that show the step by step process plus other searches for the topic of "cremations". Cremations in India for example, with videos. In the information age, ignorance is a choice. The remains at Ohrdruf are NOT cremains. Cremains are the pulverized carbonized bones and teeth of the remains. The remains at Ohrdruf are charred remains. They are the intact remains of cadavers that have had their epidermis and some tissue burned away. They have NOT been cremated. What can't you understand about that? If cremains have been recovered at Treblinka their origin is equivocal. It seems likely that remains have been recovered but the cremains that could be found at Treblinka are of unknown origin. Cremains found on the surface could have come from Jews dumping cremains there. NO cremains have been recovered from the alleged burial pits at Treblinka. I find it hard to believe that anyone can be stupid enough to believe that cremains have been recovered from the alleged mass graves so your claims must stem from other motives. There is no circumstantial evidence for the existence of cremains. They either exist or they don't. This is a mix of larger remains, smaller cremains and ash from the wood.
If that was pulled apart and buried, it would result in what was found at TII in 1945;
"...we could see little piles of white ashes along with blackened bones, heaps of soot."
"In the northwestern section of the area, the surface is covered for about 2 hectares by a mixture of ashes and sand. In this mixture, one finds countless human bones, often still covered with tissue remains, which are in a condition of decomposition. During the inspection, which I made with the assistance of an expert in forensic medicine, it was determined that the ashes are without any doubt of human origin (remains of cremated human bones). The examination of human skulls could discover no trace of wounding."
Not all of the bodies had been cremated;
"Those aren't just bones,' explained the District Attorney. 'There are still pieces of half-rotted corpses lying there, bunches of intestines.'"
" Numerous human remains were found by these excavations, partially still in a state of decomposition"
You think that since for much of the time we have discussed the cremains found on the surface of the camps in the most recent site examinations, that only cremains were found and those cremains were tiny bits of bone. In fact, many cremains were larger, which is consistent with partial cremations as seen at Ohrdruf.
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Post by Ulios on Mar 21, 2022 20:31:45 GMT
No, since similar methods were used in Tibet, at Dresden and Ohrdruf. Not as much wood as expected is sufficient to evaporate water and set the corpses on fire. The Dresden scenario has been exposed by Turnagain and yet this is still repeated. There is not enough evidence to support this continued nonsense. Please do not repeat the nonsense previously said. The Tibetans do not cremate but either do sky burials or chop up the body and let the animals devour it. |
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Post by Turnagain on Mar 21, 2022 20:34:36 GMT
Nessie wrote: Unbelievable! To cremate the cadavers in Tibet a large trench one meter deep or deeper was dug and was filled with wood. Bars were laid across the trench and cadavers were laid on the bars. The cadavers were then covered with more wood/flammable material and all was set ablaze. The cadavers were cremated. At Ohrdruf a minimal amount of wood was apparently placed under the cadavers and the cadavers were charred but still recognizable as cadavers. They were NOT cremated with nothing left but carbonized bones and teeth. That is apparent to even the most casual observer but here's Nessie claiming, "burnt corpses is burnt corpses". I can't but wonder if his holyhoax beliefs have driven him insane. |
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Post by Nessie on Mar 21, 2022 20:38:37 GMT
No, since similar methods were used in Tibet, at Dresden and Ohrdruf. Not as much wood as expected is sufficient to evaporate water and set the corpses on fire. The Dresden scenario has been exposed by Turnagain and yet this is still repeated. There is not enough evidence to support this continued nonsense. Please do not repeat the nonsense previously said. The Tibetans do not cremate but either do sky burials or chop up the body and let the animals devour it. Photos and documents prove the Dresden pyres worked. |
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Post by Nessie on Mar 21, 2022 20:41:27 GMT
Nessie wrote: Unbelievable! To cremate the cadavers in Tibet a large trench one meter deep or deeper was dug and was filled with wood. Bars were laid across the trench and cadavers were laid on the bars. The cadavers were then covered with more wood/flammable material and all was set ablaze. The cadavers were cremated. At Ohrdruf a minimal amount of wood was apparently placed under the cadavers and the cadavers were charred but still recognizable as cadavers. They were NOT cremated with nothing left but carbonized bones and teeth. That is apparent to even the most casual observer but here's Nessie claiming, "burnt corpses is burnt corpses". I can't but wonder if his holyhoax beliefs have driven him insane. I have just linked you to what was found at TII, a mix of cremated remains, some of which were large enough to be identifiable as human. That would what be found if the Ohrdruf pyres were pulled apart and the remains buried. You have banged on about forensic testing of cremains and ignored that many cremains were large enough to be identifiable as from humans. You have a suspiciously selective memory.
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Post by Turnagain on Mar 21, 2022 20:50:22 GMT
Nessie apparently expects us to believe the "findings" of the "Soviet Investigations and Forensic Examinations". That is truly bizarre. Such claims aren't even in the same galaxy with a reasonable and rational report on that camp. It's mind boggling.
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Post by Nessie on Mar 21, 2022 20:54:38 GMT
Nessie apparently expects us to believe the "findings" of the "Soviet Investigations and Forensic Examinations". That is truly bizarre. Such claims aren't even in the same galaxy with a reasonable and rational report on that camp. It's mind boggling. Scroll down to "2. Polish Investigations and Forensic Examinations". The Poles did not trust the Soviets and many were still resisting Soviet control at that time. The Polish produced their own reports on the AR camps. |
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Post by Turnagain on Mar 21, 2022 21:09:28 GMT
Gimme' a effing break. Jeezus H, but the bizarre rantings of Rachel Auerbach. Such childish and unbelievable propaganda and that's the best you have. Giddoutahere!
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Post by nazgul on Mar 21, 2022 21:32:20 GMT
Nessie apparently expects us to believe the "findings" of the "Soviet Investigations and Forensic Examinations". That is truly bizarre. Such claims aren't even in the same galaxy with a reasonable and rational report on that camp. It's mind boggling. Scroll down to "2. Polish Investigations and Forensic Examinations". The Poles did not trust the Soviets and many were still resisting Soviet control at that time. The Polish produced their own reports on the AR camps. Poland was a vassal state of Moscow, it was a communist country. |
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Post by mrolonzo on Mar 22, 2022 0:05:27 GMT
He literally just layed out the problem with their claims. You completely ignored it. Noted, so you lost the point right there. He makes spurious dismissive assertions. They are not credible or believable reasons for me to accept his claim that every single person, archaeologist, forensic scientist who has even physically examined an AR camp site has lied about what they found.
That he has problems with the site examinations that did not include lab testing, the use of drawn diagrams and the quantity of cremains found during a walk over survey does not constitute a rational reason to disregard everything done by those people.
They don't need to have lied. They simply accept the principle supposition implicitly and set about demonstrating it. We don't need to dismiss what they've done. We simply draw more reasonable conclusions from what is given. |
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Post by mrolonzo on Mar 22, 2022 0:06:36 GMT
The takeaway from Ohrdruf is that a substantial amount of wood is required to burn the cadavers to a charred corpse but it doesn't reduce the cadavers to carbonized bone and teeth which is the result of cremation. The cadavers obviously retained substantial amounts of water in their internal organs and hadn't burned. Nessie claims that such charred cadavers could somehow be "rendered" into cremains. Obvious bullshit but good enough for Nessie's holyhoax narrative. A rendering machine was used at Belzec and those who worked at A-B spoke of having to rake the ovens to break the corpses apart. At TII in 1945, the survey and excavations found larger body parts amongst the cremains. That is evidence of incomplete cremations, which still meant the Nazis had prevented body counts, identification and establishing cause of death. No such rendering machine was ever used at Belzec. It was neither purchased nor used nor found later. So stop lying |
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