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Post by Venatแปr on Dec 21, 2021 8:57:24 GMT
If people were not gassed at the AR camps, Chelmno or in the A-B Kremas, then the ONLY alternative is that they left those places on mass transports. There is no false dilemma, there are only two options; gassed, or left the camp. Please stop using this in many threads, off topic, as though much has not been answered. You are basing everything on assumptions. There is much unknown, some being slowly unravelled, work in progress; much, people like yourself refuse to acknowledge. The Soviets also used the policy, with or against; post war until 1953 the Soviets murdered 15,613,000 Victims; this is where your Jews are. They had a choice: stay and support Soviet Bolshevism or die. Lager III in the AR camps were the exit points. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 21, 2021 9:03:58 GMT
If people were not gassed at the AR camps, Chelmno or in the A-B Kremas, then the ONLY alternative is that they left those places on mass transports. There is no false dilemma, there are only two options; gassed, or left the camp. Please stop using this in many threads, off topic, as though much has not been answered. You are basing everything on assumptions. There is much unknown, some being slowly unravelled, work in progress; much, people like yourself refuse to acknowledge. The Soviets also used the policy, with or against; post war until 1953 the Soviets murdered 15,613,000 Victims; this is where your Jews are. They had a choice: stay and support Soviet Bolshevism or die. Lager III in the AR camps were the exit points. You have claimed a false dilemma. I am pointing out that is wrong. There are ONLY two possible outcomes for the people sent to the places deniers deny had mass gassing chambers. |
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 21, 2021 9:17:22 GMT
If there are two possible outcomes and the first is impossible then the second is, by definition, what happened. There is evidence for both Treblinka and Sobibor that the Jews were transported to other destinations.
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Post by Venatแปr on Dec 21, 2021 9:19:28 GMT
You have claimed a false dilemma. I am pointing out that is wrong. There are ONLY two possible outcomes for the people sent to the places deniers deny had mass gassing chambers. Not at all I mentioned another camp, the directions given at the Malkinia loop. The transport directions were generalized for the most part. While a good number of people did arrive at this TII near the quarry there is no reason why they could not leave out the back door. The lack of physical evidence to anything else attests to this. I would not use the term "denier". People here are trying to determine the truth, not your truth. There is a difference in the order of a quantum leap. |
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Post by Venatแปr on Dec 21, 2021 9:21:36 GMT
If there are two possible outcomes and the first is impossible then the second is, by definition, what happened. There is evidence for both Treblinka and Sobibor that the Jews were transported to other destinations. In Sobibor most of the witnesses thought their loved ones died because they were separated. They left along with 80 others to some other camp. No doubt the others did as well. There are reports of people arriving and leaving on horse and cart. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 22, 2021 11:09:57 GMT
If there are two possible outcomes and the first is impossible then the second is, by definition, what happened. There is evidence for both Treblinka and Sobibor that the Jews were transported to other destinations. There is evidence of a selection process and smaller transports left those camps, of people to work in labour camps elsewhere in Poland. That is not evidence of Sobibor, TII (or Belzec or Chelmno) being transit camps. That is evidence of the well known selection process for people arriving at Auschwitz and being separated into two lines;
That process and what happened to those people is evidenced. We know many of their names, as they were registered at the camps they were sent to work in. At Auschwitz that process also involved the famous tattooing of prisoners. There are witnesses, both Jewish and Nazi to the selection process and evidence of the train movements from camp to camp, as many workers were moved between various camps. The movement of those people left evidence from witnesses and documents. There is also the physical evidence of the camps themselves and where those people were accommodated. Majdanek was the second largest camp after A-B, with a maximum capacity of about 50,000 prisoners. Records from the camp show that between 1941 and 1944 when it was closed and then captured, it took in about 150,000 prisoners.
That leaves millions of people sent to the AR camps and A-B Kremas for whom there is no evidence. No documents, or witnesses or places to accommodate them. The evidence trail stops at the AR camps and Kremas. Either they left the camps or they were gassed. That is the only alternative. It is physically possible for the Nazis to have gassed those people. It is not physically possible for the Nazis to have hidden them away, without leaving any evidence.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 22, 2021 11:10:56 GMT
You have claimed a false dilemma. I am pointing out that is wrong. There are ONLY two possible outcomes for the people sent to the places deniers deny had mass gassing chambers. Not at all I mentioned another camp, the directions given at the Malkinia loop. The transport directions were generalized for the most part. While a good number of people did arrive at this TII near the quarry there is no reason why they could not leave out the back door. The lack of physical evidence to anything else attests to this. I would not use the term "denier". People here are trying to determine the truth, not your truth. There is a difference in the order of a quantum leap. It is physically impossible for c860,000 people to have walked out of TII, without leaving any evidence of that happening. |
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 22, 2021 12:54:26 GMT
Nessie wrote:
It is impossible for ~850,000 people to have been murdered, cremated and buried at Treblinka without leaving any proof of that happening.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 22, 2021 14:22:37 GMT
Nessie wrote: It is impossible for ~850,000 people to have been murdered, cremated and buried at Treblinka without leaving any proof of that happening.
There is plenty of evidence it happened. That you have a series of excuses to dismiss that evidence, is why you think there is no proof. For all academics and anyone who understands evidencing and logic, that evidence proves mass gassings.
There is no evidence at all of the only alternative to gassings. You try to claim the occasional transports reported of people to go to other labour camps in Poland is evidence TII was a transit camp, but that is wrong. It is evidence of the selection process that was also evidenced to have happened at the other AR camps and A-B.
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 22, 2021 15:28:30 GMT
Nessie wrote: It is impossible for ~850,000 people to have been murdered, cremated and buried at Treblinka without leaving any proof of that happening.
There is plenty of evidence it happened. That you have a series of excuses to dismiss that evidence, is why you think there is no proof. For all academics and anyone who understands evidencing and logic, that evidence proves mass gassings.
There is no evidence at all of the only alternative to gassings. You try to claim the occasional transports reported of people to go to other labour camps in Poland is evidence TII was a transit camp, but that is wrong. It is evidence of the selection process that was also evidenced to have happened at the other AR camps and A-B.
First you claim to have "evidence" and then complain that I won't accept it as proof of mass murder. IOW, you say that little boys ride tricycles and then demand that I accept that as proof that the little boy rode his tricycle to the moon. As far as me being the only person who doesn't accept your "evidencing" that's complete bull[excrement]. Nick Kollerstrom and Art Butz are just two academics who don't accept your mindless claptrap as "proof" of the holyhoax.
You first admit that Jews did in fact leave Treblinka for other destinations and then declare that it isn't evidence of Jews leaving Treblinka for other destinations. I suppose that makes sense to you.
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