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Post by Nessie on Dec 17, 2021 20:08:43 GMT
OK, so no geophysical, archaeological, physical or witness evidence, just speculations.
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 17, 2021 21:28:00 GMT
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Let's see the photos of those core samples. Right, like that's going to happen.
Yep, and found NO graves consistent with the claims of the alleged eyewitnesses or any pits even remotely capable of containing ~700,000 cadavers.
OK, link to the lab report. As far as your other Klowns jerking each other off, sell it down the street.
Nessie makes it plain that he has nothing but his usual line of holyhoax la-la land drivel. Nonexistent hermetically sealed steam/gas/vacuum chambers, nonexistent mass graves that were dug by nonexistent magical excavators, magical excavators that could exhume whole cadavers and a nonexistent magic Jew barbeque to cremate them all. Holyhoax la-la land at it's finest.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 19, 2021 19:58:16 GMT
Nessie wrote: Let's see the photos of those core samples. Right, like that's going to happen. If you saw a photo of a core sample, you would not know what you were looking at. You would not be able to tell what was what. Hence the need for diagrams, identifying the various layers. How is finding large ground disturbances in the areas of the camp where witnesses said graves were dug, not consistent? Mattogno referenced that report. Are you claiming he lied? How is your Polish? Stop pretending there is no evidence of mass graves.
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Post by Venatแปr on Dec 19, 2021 21:40:31 GMT
Stop pretending there is no evidence of mass graves. Stop misrepresenting what Turnagain has said. He did not say there were no mass graves, just not enough to support the remains of 700+ k people. Another issue is the descriptions of these archaeological graves do not fit the descriptions of the digging from various witnesses working on the site while the camp was being built.
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 20, 2021 0:56:10 GMT
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The irregular pits found at Treblinka were NOT consistent in either shape or size with the graves described by the alleged eyewitnesses. Nessie seems incapable of grasping the scale of the graves needed to contain the entire population of a city the size of San Francisco. It's as though CS-C found proof that a little boy rode his tricycle around the block and Nessie says, "See, CS-C found evidence that the little boy rode his tricycle to the moon".
My Polish is non-existent and thank you for applying the fallacy of an appeal to authority for me. It's not necessary for me to blindly agree with everything Mattogno wrote. At any rate, show me where Mattogno states that the mass graves of Treblinka have been found by CS-C.
Stop pretending that the irregularly shaped pits discovered by CS-C were capable of containing ~700,000 cadavers or were in any way related to the pits described by the alleged eyewitnesses.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 20, 2021 15:46:33 GMT
Stop pretending there is no evidence of mass graves. Stop misrepresenting what Turnagain has said. He did not say there were no mass graves, just not enough to support the remains of 700+ k people. Another issue is the descriptions of these archaeological graves do not fit the descriptions of the digging from various witnesses working on the site while the camp was being built. Turnagain said "nonexistent mass graves". I was not misrepresenting him.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 20, 2021 15:58:25 GMT
Nessie wrote: The irregular pits found at Treblinka were NOT consistent in either shape or size with the graves described by the alleged eyewitnesses. What has been found by the camp surveys is consistent with the original graves being dug into to get bodies, the mixing and reburying of cremains and earth, covering over the site, demolishing buildings and burying everything except a couple of buildings for a guard, the post-war grave robbing and then in the 1960s, tidying the site and building a large memorial. With all of that activity, it is no wonder neatly outlined rectangular ground disturbances have not been found. What you have failed to take into account, is that by burying naked bodies, those bodies get compressed under the pressure of more bodies piled on top, into a mass of decomposed remains. The bodies buried at Katyn were clothed, but still showed how pressure causes the remains to be compressed. Far more bodies fit into a certain space that you think possible. You are dodging that Mattogno reported that there was forensic testing of remains from Sobibor and they were found to be human. Considering how much of TII could not be surveyed, due to the memorial, what was found is large areas of disturbed ground that proves the Nazis did a lot of digging at TII. If the memorial was not there, more disturbed ground would be found, as the existing areas are right next to the memorial. What has been found backs up witness claims of mass graves, stop pretending it does not.
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Post by Venatแปr on Dec 20, 2021 16:28:52 GMT
What has been found backs up witness claims of mass graves, stop pretending it does not. Like most people, there is an acceptance of mass graves, there must be. This was mentioned earlier on other causes of death, significant events. The graves in the literature give dimensions of 25m X 5m X 10m deep (or close to that); there were three of these. This is not a scatter handful of mass graves strewn around the field. Why are these not located or were those reports incorrect?
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 20, 2021 17:19:22 GMT
Nessie is just flat lying about the evidence for mass graves. There are NO mass graves as described by the alleged eyewitnesses whether there were five graves, eleven graves or an unknown number of graves, CS-C may very well have found some pits at Treblinka but NOT anything even faintly resembling the volume necessary to contain the entire population of San Francisco.
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Nessie claims that the exhumations and mixing and reinterring of the cremains somehow shrunk the original graves. That claim is preposterous on a scale that leaves me gobsmacked.
The bodies at Katyn were discovered by the Germans in April, 1943. They had been buried for almost 3.5 years. Contrast that with Rajchman's claim of eleven graves. Bodies were buried for a total of seven (7) months or a grave filled every .64 months or a grave filled every 2.75 weeks. Hardly time for bodies to decompose and compress to the extent that the cadavers that had been buried for 3.5 years.
Quote and link to the chapter in Mattogno's book.
One 17X26 meter pit and some other rabbit holes don't constitute excavations in the tens of thousands of cubic meters. Wiernik's graves are inadequate to contain 700,000 cadavers and Rajchman's eleven graves are far too large to be hidden under the memorial.
Bottom line, despite all of Nessie's weasel dodging about "disturbed ground" no mass graves have been determined to exist at Treblinka. Finito. End of story.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 20, 2021 17:47:04 GMT
What has been found backs up witness claims of mass graves, stop pretending it does not. Like most people, there is an acceptance of mass graves, there must be. This was mentioned earlier on other causes of death, significant events. The graves in the literature give dimensions of 25m X 5m X 10m deep (or close to that); there were three of these. This is not a scatter handful of mass graves strewn around the field. Why are these not located or were those reports incorrect?
The witnesses estimated grave size and witness estimations generally are known to not be precise. The ground disturbances around the larger TII memorial are in the part of the camp where witnesses said the mass graves were located and other disturbances were found in the Lazarete part of the camp, which was also reported by witnesses to have a grave, or graves. The memorial at TII covers a large part of the area identified as where the original mass graves were located and it cannot be surveyed. You have been told that before.
You continually ignore the relatively undisturbed rectangular graves identified at Chelmno.
Page 63;
"The Third Grave" is 174m long by 8m wide. "The Fourth Grave" is 182m long by 10m wide.
Many smaller graves were also found, containing "burn waste, ash and crushed bones".
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