Nessie
โ๏ธ
๐๐๐ง๐๐ซ๐๐๐ข๐ฅ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ท๐๐ฑ๐ถ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐๐ผ๐ฟ
Posts: 5,207 
|
Post by Nessie on Dec 17, 2021 9:15:21 GMT
The physical evidence of large areas of disturbed ground, containing cremated and larger human remains, speak for themselves. "Disturbed ground" but no GPR scans of mass graves. No documented proof of cremated remains. There is evidence of eight (8) bodies at Sobibor. No documented proof of cremains from Kola. Just some pencil sketches. Nessie's "evidence" is as phony as a three dollar bill. The reason why we know about the disturbed ground, is variously from excavations, bore holes and geophysical examinations. Your objection to the use of drawn diagrams is bizarre and clearly just an excuse for you to ignore inconvenient evidence. Your objections are phony. |
|
Nessie
โ๏ธ
๐๐๐ง๐๐ซ๐๐๐ข๐ฅ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ท๐๐ฑ๐ถ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐๐ผ๐ฟ
Posts: 5,207
|
Post by Nessie on Dec 17, 2021 9:17:03 GMT
The physical evidence of large areas of disturbed ground, containing cremated and larger human remains, speak for themselves. In your mind yes; this might be the correct conclusion if there were not reports of the following: - Summary executions.
- Died in transit
- Aktion 14f13
- Disease
- Natural mortality
People do die of strokes, heart attacks etc.
All of the above deaths need graves and probable cremations. To claim the graves are from mass murder, the above need to be discounted. Quoting people who say gas chambers were used to kill, as evidence there were no gas chambers, is a very strange way of supporting your belief of there were no gas chambers. |
|
Nessie
โ๏ธ
๐๐๐ง๐๐ซ๐๐๐ข๐ฅ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ท๐๐ฑ๐ถ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐๐ผ๐ฟ
Posts: 5,207
|
Post by Nessie on Dec 17, 2021 9:22:09 GMT
Nessie wrote: OK, show me the documented core samples that Kola claimed to have analyzed. Show me the lab report on the human cremains found by Haimi and CS-C. Show me a GPR scan of your "disturbed ground". The fact remains that Kola has only little pencil drawings. Haimi has no lab tested cremains and only eight bodies to show for his efforts. CS-C said she would return to Treblinka and locate the mass graves and has been a no-show ever since. There's nothing to dispute. I have linked you to the archaeological reports on numerous previous occasions. I have shown you the core sample diagrams Kola produced, discussed how Haimi and C S-C identified remains as cremated bone and why they did not use lab testing, I have shown you the GPR images in C S-C report and that archaeologists often use drawn diagrams. Haimi has also identified large areas of cremated remains and you have continually failed to link to and quote C S-C saying she will return to find the graves.
Stop asking me for the same evidence, when I have already shown you it.
|
|
|
|
Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Dec 17, 2021 9:28:37 GMT
As I read it Nessie what was being discussed was mass graves and not gas chambers. This thread is about graves. You were asked to consider if the deaths were from other causes which might account for the graves located. The black rider mentioned nothing about gas chambers.
When the bodies are divvied up, how would you know which graves are from other causes, or do you think all the people were thrown in together.
|
|
Nessie
โ๏ธ
๐๐๐ง๐๐ซ๐๐๐ข๐ฅ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ท๐๐ฑ๐ถ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐๐ผ๐ฟ
Posts: 5,207
|
Post by Nessie on Dec 17, 2021 9:32:06 GMT
As I read it Nessie what was being discussed was mass graves and not gas chambers. This thread is about graves. You were asked to consider if the deaths were from other causes which might account for the graves located. The black rider mentioned nothing about gas chambers. When the bodies are divvied up, how would you know which graves are from other causes, or do you think all the people were thrown in together. You cherry pick quotes to suggest the graves were needed for dead from other causes. I was merely pointing out those witnesses attribute the majority of deaths to gassings. So, how are they witnesses to the need for graves for causes other than gassings? |
|
|
|
Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Dec 17, 2021 9:46:27 GMT
You cherry pick quotes to suggest the graves were needed for dead from other causes. I was merely pointing out those witnesses attribute the majority of deaths to gassings. So, how are they witnesses to the need for graves for causes other than gassings? There are many other quotes that say exactly the same thing: death from typhus, transportation, execution, euthanasia, physical issues and perhaps suicide. There may have been gassings as well, David Irving suspects this as ad hoc as they were. It seems that the above could account for a huge number of deaths. You are well aware of the thoughts on another Treblinka, but this place did exist. Many of the jews had typhus at least in 1941. Although typhus was curtailed to some extent it was never eliminated. No doubt it spread to Treblinka from Warsaw. |
|
Turnagain
โ๏ธ
๐๐ผ๐ป๐ผ๐ฟ๐ฎ๐๐๐
Posts: 2,302
|
Post by Turnagain on Dec 17, 2021 10:05:21 GMT
So, no core samples, no GPR scans of the alleged graves and no lab analysis of anything. Same as before. Just, "Yup, we found it so take our word for it". Neither do I believe a little boy rode a tricycle to the moon just because someone says so. Neither do I take it on faith that those people are unbiased investigators with no axe to grind. Of course Nessie completely skips over the fact that CS-C declared that she would be returning to Treblinka to locate the mass graves and has been a no-show for over ten years.
Essentially Nessie is shrieking, "I already done that so quit bothering me". Your "I already done that" gambit is a fail. In the real world, people who make claims have to show proof of those claims. No such requirement in holyhoax la-la land.
|
|
Nessie
โ๏ธ
๐๐๐ง๐๐ซ๐๐๐ข๐ฅ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ท๐๐ฑ๐ถ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐๐ผ๐ฟ
Posts: 5,207
|
Post by Nessie on Dec 17, 2021 11:18:59 GMT
You cherry pick quotes to suggest the graves were needed for dead from other causes. I was merely pointing out those witnesses attribute the majority of deaths to gassings. So, how are they witnesses to the need for graves for causes other than gassings? There are many other quotes that say exactly the same thing: death from typhus, transportation, execution, euthanasia, physical issues and perhaps suicide. There may have been gassings as well, David Irving suspects this as ad hoc as they were. It seems that the above could account for a huge number of deaths. You are well aware of the thoughts on another Treblinka, but this place did exist. Many of the jews had typhus at least in 1941. Although typhus was curtailed to some extent it was never eliminated. No doubt it spread to Treblinka from Warsaw. You accept the evidence of mass deaths at TII, which account for the large areas of disturbed ground. If those deaths were by typhus and deprivations, why did the Nazis exhume the bodies, burn them, mix the remains back into the ground and then demolish most of the camp and plant over it? That is the behavious of criminals covering up their activities, not innocent people. |
|
Nessie
โ๏ธ
๐๐๐ง๐๐ซ๐๐๐ข๐ฅ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ท๐๐ฑ๐ถ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐๐ผ๐ฟ
Posts: 5,207
|
Post by Nessie on Dec 17, 2021 11:27:56 GMT
Core samples were taken at Belzec, Chelmno and Sobibor. GPR and electrical resistance surveys were used at TII. There was lab analysis for Sobibor in 1945, which found the remains to be human. There was physical analysis of cremains on site at each camp, where archaeologists identified cremated bits of bone, or cremains as we call them. You lie about what has been found, refuse to read the reports and then act as if you are credible!!! You are clearly biased with an axe to grind, so your uneducated and dishonest assessment is dismissed. You have been making that claim for some time now. I cannot find C S-C saying that. You refuse to link to her saying that. Why? Again here is all the evidence to prove the camps have large areas of cremated remains, that I can find on the internet, gathered into one easy to read post, with relevant links. First is the original on old RODOH, from Dec 2020; web.archive.org/web/20210120173913/https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=4334Here is a more up to date post, from June 2021; www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=32919&sid=bf1bd8f42623f919a06561acbdbc0fb7That is proof I have already shown you the archaeological evidence to prove mass graves and that you are being very dishonest suggesting that you have not been shown such. |
|
|
|
Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Dec 17, 2021 18:13:32 GMT
When the allies were finished with Belsen, they burned the place down. This was to eliminate typhus. I should imagine that many euthanazed people had typhus with a good chance of dying in days. This would account for the trainloads of dead reported.
There is little evidence that bodies were exhumed as reported as the ground does a better job at biological disincorporation than burning. That said, if this was done to a lesser extent than the stories it would be for hygiene.
The Einsatzgruppen had no problems with putting thousands into the ground east of these camps (rightfully or wrongfully) apparently so I do not see why a few thousand dead in the camp would be an issue. Of course Treblinka is in a swamp, near the water table of the Bug river. There would have been an issue of water contamination from rotting corpses.
|
|
Nessie
โ๏ธ
๐๐๐ง๐๐ซ๐๐๐ข๐ฅ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ท๐๐ฑ๐ถ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐๐ผ๐ฟ
Posts: 5,207
|
Post by Nessie on Dec 17, 2021 20:08:43 GMT
OK, so no geophysical, archaeological, physical or witness evidence, just speculations.
|
|
Turnagain
โ๏ธ
๐๐ผ๐ป๐ผ๐ฟ๐ฎ๐๐๐
Posts: 2,302
|
Post by Turnagain on Dec 17, 2021 21:28:00 GMT
Nessie wrote:
Let's see the photos of those core samples. Right, like that's going to happen.
Yep, and found NO graves consistent with the claims of the alleged eyewitnesses or any pits even remotely capable of containing ~700,000 cadavers.
OK, link to the lab report. As far as your other Klowns jerking each other off, sell it down the street.
Nessie makes it plain that he has nothing but his usual line of holyhoax la-la land drivel. Nonexistent hermetically sealed steam/gas/vacuum chambers, nonexistent mass graves that were dug by nonexistent magical excavators, magical excavators that could exhume whole cadavers and a nonexistent magic Jew barbeque to cremate them all. Holyhoax la-la land at it's finest.
|
|
Nessie
โ๏ธ
๐๐๐ง๐๐ซ๐๐๐ข๐ฅ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ท๐๐ฑ๐ถ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐๐ผ๐ฟ
Posts: 5,207
|
Post by Nessie on Dec 19, 2021 19:58:16 GMT
Nessie wrote: Let's see the photos of those core samples. Right, like that's going to happen. If you saw a photo of a core sample, you would not know what you were looking at. You would not be able to tell what was what. Hence the need for diagrams, identifying the various layers. How is finding large ground disturbances in the areas of the camp where witnesses said graves were dug, not consistent? Mattogno referenced that report. Are you claiming he lied? How is your Polish? Stop pretending there is no evidence of mass graves. |
|
|
|
Post by Sandhurst on Dec 19, 2021 21:40:31 GMT
Stop pretending there is no evidence of mass graves. Stop misrepresenting what Turnagain has said. He did not say there were no mass graves, just not enough to support the remains of 700+ k people. Another issue is the descriptions of these archaeological graves do not fit the descriptions of the digging from various witnesses working on the site while the camp was being built. |
|
Turnagain
โ๏ธ
๐๐ผ๐ป๐ผ๐ฟ๐ฎ๐๐๐
Posts: 2,302
|
Post by Turnagain on Dec 20, 2021 0:56:10 GMT
Nessie wrote:
The irregular pits found at Treblinka were NOT consistent in either shape or size with the graves described by the alleged eyewitnesses. Nessie seems incapable of grasping the scale of the graves needed to contain the entire population of a city the size of San Francisco. It's as though CS-C found proof that a little boy rode his tricycle around the block and Nessie says, "See, CS-C found evidence that the little boy rode his tricycle to the moon".
My Polish is non-existent and thank you for applying the fallacy of an appeal to authority for me. It's not necessary for me to blindly agree with everything Mattogno wrote. At any rate, show me where Mattogno states that the mass graves of Treblinka have been found by CS-C.
Stop pretending that the irregularly shaped pits discovered by CS-C were capable of containing ~700,000 cadavers or were in any way related to the pits described by the alleged eyewitnesses.
|
|
