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Post by đđđŹđŹđ˘đ on Mar 6, 2022 14:32:35 GMT
Nessie wrote: First off there's no proof that such pits actually exist. We have nothing but CS-C's dubious claims and nothing to prove that the Germans dug the alleged pits. You have nothing, zip, zero, nada to prove that the pits contain any human cremains. The total volume of the alleged pits would have been insufficient to contain 700,000+ bodies. Where are the 12X30X50 meter pits of Rajchman? Where did they go? Lukaszkiewcz said that they went "poof" and no longer existed. Where are the effing giant rectangular pits of Rajchman, Wiernik and Rosenberg? The geophysical, archaeological, photographic and witness evidence is sufficient to prove the Nazis excavated large pits at TII.
Lukaszkiewcz said that the mass graves containing bodies were no longer there. That was due to the Nazis exhuming the bodies, cremating them and mixing the cremains back into the ground. Your suggestion that he said there was now undisturbed ground where the graves had been is not true.
The pits described by the witnesses have been in part found. The pits that extend from around the memorial have been identified. The memorial covers most of the area, so most of the original graves are under the concrete.
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Post by Turnagain on Mar 6, 2022 15:55:19 GMT
Nessie wrote:
You have nothing, no evidence whatsoever that the Germans dug giant 12X30X50 meter pits at Treblinka. You don't even have a reasonable means for the Germans to accomplish such excavations and the attendant stockpiling of the excavated material, the "ex".
Bullshit! No "parts" of any 12X30X50 meter pits have been found. CS-C claims to have found some irregularly shaped holes. No, repeat NO pits as described by Rajchman, Wiernik or Rosenberg.
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Post by đđđŹđŹđ˘đ on Mar 6, 2022 16:40:51 GMT
Nessie wrote: You have nothing, no evidence whatsoever that the Germans dug giant 12X30X50 meter pits at Treblinka. You don't even have a reasonable means for the Germans to accomplish such excavations and the attendant stockpiling of the excavated material, the "ex". TII was next to a quarry. There are photos of and multiple witnesses to excavators being used at TII. There is an order from Globocnik for excavators to be delivered to Belzec. Your pretence that the Germans could not get excavators to the AR camps, dig large pits and put the stockpile somewhere is obviously wrong. The excavations she found were largely rectilinear and a pit that is at least 26m long by 17m wide by at least 4m deep, can be reasonably estimated as 12x30x50m. You are weasel dodging that 5 pits around that size have been identified in the area the witness said contained the main mass graves. You weasel dodge explaining and evidencing what the Nazis dug those huge pits for. |
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Post by Turnagain on Mar 6, 2022 17:53:40 GMT
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The M&H draglines from T-I could NOT have both excavated and stockpiled the ex from the graves as described by Rajchman et al. no more than the little boy could ride his tricycle to the moon. That is a physical impossibility. You're full of more shit than a Christmas goose. Basic trigonometry defines what the M&H draglines were capable of.
Neither is the supposed pit measuring 17X26 meters the same as a pit measuring 30X50 meters. Neither does the total volume of the alleged pits supposedly discovered by CS-C come even close to the required volume necessary for the burial of 700,000+ cadavers. Even if the pit allegedly discovered by CS-C was 12 meters deep, it would still be barely one third the volume of Rajchman's graves and that's just for the seven graves and not the four larger graves. Being an innumerate such simple arithmetic calculations are obviously beyond your comprehension.
As far as the supposed pits, there's no evidence of the Germans performing the excavations. Did they dig pits for camp detritus? Latrines? Were the Russians responsible for the pits? Grave robbers? Your assumption that the Germans excavated the pits for graves is unfounded.
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Post by đđđŹđŹđ˘đ on Mar 6, 2022 19:09:00 GMT
Nessie wrote: The M&H draglines from T-I could NOT have both excavated and stockpiled the ex from the graves as described by Rajchman et al. no more than the little boy could ride his tricycle to the moon. That is a physical impossibility. You're full of more shit than a Christmas goose. Basic trigonometry defines what the M&H draglines were capable of. Logically, what does that prove? Well spotted. But if someone is poor at estimating size, they may overestimate the size of the 17x26m pit. In any case, you weasel dodge why the Nazis were digging multiple pits that size at the AR camps and Chelmno. Yet again you weasel dodge that the memorial covers most of the area. Despite that, a 17x26m pit and 5 others of a similar size were found also next to the memorial. You weasel dodge explaining with evidence why so much ground was excavated. That is not true. The pits were far too big for that. There are multiple witnesses to pits being excavated by the Nazis in 1942. There are the Franz photos of excavators at the camp in 1943. There is the aerial photo of 1944, before the Soviets arrived, proving the camp had been dug over and that there were rectangular outlines in the Lazarette area, where witnesses also describe mass graves. You pretend that your ignorance of the evidence means there is no evidence, but you fool only yourself. |
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Post by Turnagain on Jul 17, 2022 4:14:54 GMT
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Your reliance on the "what if" and "coulda woulda" scenario goes beyond simple ignorance. It's a catch-all excuse for the multiple lies of the alleged eyewitnesses. It proves that you have no actual interest in the claimed events of the holyhoax beyond "it happened".
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Post by đđđŹđŹđ˘đ on Jul 29, 2022 7:52:51 GMT
Nessie wrote: Your reliance on the "what if" and "coulda woulda" scenario goes beyond simple ignorance. It's a catch-all excuse for the multiple lies of the alleged eyewitnesses. It proves that you have no actual interest in the claimed events of the holyhoax beyond "it happened". Your "what if" the Nazis only had access to one specific type of excavator and did not use any ancillary equipment or labourers, is stupid. TII was next to a quarry. It had ample space for huge mass graves. Geophysics proves large pits were excavated there.
Your obsession with trying to work out how they dug the pits is merely part of your reliance on arguments from incredulity. Just because you cannot work out how it was done, does not therefore mean no mass graves.
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Post by Turnagain on Jul 29, 2022 10:06:09 GMT
Nessie wrote: Your reliance on the "what if" and "coulda woulda" scenario goes beyond simple ignorance. It's a catch-all excuse for the multiple lies of the alleged eyewitnesses. It proves that you have no actual interest in the claimed events of the holyhoax beyond "it happened". Your "what if" the Nazis only had access to one specific type of excavator and did not use any ancillary equipment or labourers, is stupid. TII was next to a quarry. It had ample space for huge mass graves. Geophysics proves large pits were excavated there.
Your obsession with trying to work out how they dug the pits is merely part of your reliance on arguments from incredulity. Just because you cannot work out how it was done, does not therefore mean no mass graves.
Photographs show only two (2) draglines working in T-I. The M&H mB and the mA. You have claimed that the mB was commandeered to dig graves and exhume bodies at T-II for an entire year. Alternately, you have claimed that some unknown mystery machine was secretly shipped to Treblinka to excavate the graves and no auxiliary equipment was necessary for it to dig the graves. So, what is your actual claim, Nessie?
Using the M&H mB for excavating the graves results in the graves and the murder facilities being larger than the area of the totenlager. No "what ifs" about that. Using basic mathematics to determine if the claims of the so-called eyewitnesses were possible or not isn't an "obsession". So, without any of your litany of excuses, "what ifs" and "coulda woulda" you are invited to point out the errors of my calculations.
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