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Post by Nessie on Dec 10, 2021 16:24:26 GMT
Nessie goes on about the Dutch Jews being gassed, buried, exhumed and cremated at Sobibor. Unfortunately his two graves contain only a total of eight (8) bodies and no lab tested cremains have been located. No graves capable of containing a quarter million cadavers have ever been located. The Dutch Jews may not have survived the war but they for damn sure didn't get smoked at Sobibor. At what point were the 34,000 Dutch Jews who you claim were not gassed at Sobibor told they were part of a hoax and could not return to the Netherlands?
Who organised that hoax and how did they get the Nazis who worked at Sobibor to cooperate?
Who decided that 18 Dutch Jews could return to the Netherlands and how were they controlled to make sure they stuck to the gassing narrative?
How were the post war Polish investigators and the latter day arcaheologists, who investigated Sobibor, persuaded to lie about finding large areas of disturbed ground containing cremated remains?
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Post by Venatแปr on Dec 10, 2021 17:24:10 GMT
None of them saw gassing events but heard stories. Most experienced euthanasia protocols in place. sobiborinterviews.nl
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Post by Nessie on Dec 10, 2021 17:29:48 GMT
None of them saw gassing events but heard stories. Most experienced euthanasia protocols in place. sobiborinterviews.nlCould you answer the questions. Some 34,000 Dutch Jews were sent to Sobibor, so who organised which ones of the very few who got to go home and how did they manage to hide the others? That would have needed Nazis and Jews to cooperate, which was clearly not going to happen.
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Post by Venatแปr on Dec 10, 2021 18:24:23 GMT
who organised which ones of the very few who got to go home and how did they manage to hide the others? That would have needed Nazis and Jews to cooperate, which was clearly not going to happen. This is entirely your version of how this "hoax" worked. It was explained clearly by Turnagain how it was implemented initially by the Soviets and run by the "chosen ones" after much information was purposely destroyed or somehow obfuscated. The Dutch people are innocent victims and not part of this.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 10, 2021 19:33:06 GMT
who organised which ones of the very few who got to go home and how did they manage to hide the others? That would have needed Nazis and Jews to cooperate, which was clearly not going to happen. This is entirely your version of how this "hoax" worked. It was explained clearly by Turnagain how it was implemented initially by the Soviets and run by the "chosen ones" after much information was purposely destroyed or somehow obfuscated. The Dutch people are innocent victims and not part of this. The Dutch must be part of the hoax. The 34,000 Dutch Jews who were sent to Sobibor, have all cooperated by keeping quiet they were not gassed and by not returning to the Netherlands after the war. Except for 18 of them, who according to you are all liars. The Dutch government and universities all claim that the Dutch civil service and police cooperated in registering and rounding up the Jews and sending them to Westerbork camp. They claim many were gassed.
You say that Turnagain has explained how the Soviets initiated the hoax, but that is wrong, the first reports came from the Polish government in exile based in England.
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Post by Nazgรปl on Dec 11, 2021 20:38:52 GMT
You say that Turnagain has explained how the Soviets initiated the hoax, but that is wrong, the first reports came from the Polish government in exile based in England.
I am sure those conflicting reports inspired the Russian mind to push the Katyn dagger in further. Oh they did blame the Nazis for this murder and hanged a few.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 12, 2021 17:29:24 GMT
During the Cold War, how did the Soviets get the western European nations to continue in cooperating with the hoax?
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Post by Nazgรปl on Dec 12, 2021 19:29:53 GMT
During the Cold War, how did the Soviets get the western European nations to continue in cooperating with the hoax? After Nuremberg the Holocaust was accepted with "judicial notice" without any differentiation between that and Genocide. Added prosecutions of individuals for war crimes just added fuel. Many Western political leaders were heavily influenced by the Jewish lobby or jews themselves. Anyone could say anything and be believed if they were a "survivor", no matter how bizarre; to question the absurdities is risking prosecution in some countries. It is a grey area between genocide and holocaust claims with some real war crimes attributed to the Germans. Strangely enough all this wailing of 6 million Jews perishing with no one bothering about the 38.1 million murdered by the Soviets in a similar time period.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 13, 2021 10:59:55 GMT
During the Cold War, how did the Soviets get the western European nations to continue in cooperating with the hoax? After Nuremberg the Holocaust was accepted with "judicial notice" without any differentiation between that and Genocide. Added prosecutions of individuals for war crimes just added fuel. Many Western political leaders were heavily influenced by the Jewish lobby or jews themselves. Anyone could say anything and be believed if they were a "survivor", no matter how bizarre; to question the absurdities is risking prosecution in some countries. It is a grey area between genocide and holocaust claims with some real war crimes attributed to the Germans. Strangely enough all this wailing of 6 million Jews perishing with no one bothering about the 38.1 million murdered by the Soviets in a similar time period. The Dutch, French, Belgian, Italian, Greek, West German, Austrian and Norwegian post war governments had no reason to pretend that the Jews from their respective countries had been killed, when in fact many were still alive. How were the million plus Jews from those countries, who tended to be freer and better off than Jews from eastern Europe, persuaded to play dead, in 1945-6, during the Nuremberg trials? If they were still alive, as you alleged, they would have wanted home, to their properties, businesses, neighbourhoods and jobs.
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Post by been_there on Dec 14, 2021 15:57:13 GMT
So how did what has become satirically known as the holyhoax โmass-gassingโ allegation come to be enshrined in the collective consciousness? Well, here is how: โ Through relentless media repetition equating unintended horrible camp conditions at the warโs end (which had been ascerbated by deliberately democidal Allied bombing of Axis infrastructure) with a totally unevidenced accusation that there had been a Third Reich policy of Jew-genocide. โ Through deliberate misinformation campaigns and black-arts psy-ops by Allied propaganda policies spearheaded by Jewish professionals like Sefton Delmer from Britain, the Ritchie boys, and the staff pulling the strings at Nuremberg from Amerca, Ilya Ehrenburg from Soviet Russia, etc., assisted by amateurs like Rudolph Vrba, Yankil Wiernik, Abraham Bomba, etc., ALL concocting atrocity propaganda that supported each others inventions/exaggerations/deceptions. โ Through using the fog-of-war confusion to introduce then entrench a narrative that few believed was possible and rejected upon first hearing it, but came to believe after the convincing but factually wrong, physically impossble and later redacted, coerced โconfessionโ of Rudolph Hรถร at Nuremberg. โ Through the ridiculous โ but accepted โ suggestion that all missing Jews at the wars end (falsely claimed to be 6 million) had been deliberately โexterminatedโ, most of them by being gassed in so-called โextermination campsโ*, (all of which camps* outside of the Russian-occupied zone later had to be admitted were not such). Many gullible and ignorant people โ despite being educated and intelligent โ believed that ridiculously impossible โ6 million gassedโ deception then at the time: and incredibly, many STILL believe it and repeat it now. I myself was told it by a highly educated octogenerian Indian in the Spring of 2019. I of course corrected him. And rather rarely, he was honest and intelligent enough after two days discussion to accept that correction. โ Through suppressing details and documentary evidence, plus by forging incriminating documents. โ By conducting unjust de-Nazification show-trials that permitted hate-motivated, vengeance testimony from Jews to become the incorrect but officially accepted account of what had occurred. โ By torturing, murdering, incarcerating, persecuting and/or โsuicidingโ any German who refuted the narrative. E.g. Auschwitz Kommandants Rudolf Hรถร and Richard Bauer, Dr. Pfannensteil, Heinrich Himmler, Joseph Kramer, Dr Fritz Klein, Thies Christopherssen, Judge Wilhelm Stรคgl, Engineer Walter Lรผfttl, housewife Ursula Haverbeck, etc., etc. On and on, decade after decade, right up to the current time. โ By inflating the numbers of missing Jews:  โ By removing the millions of missing persons of all nationalities and ethnicities from its proper war-time context.   
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