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Post by Sandhurst on Dec 16, 2021 18:13:17 GMT
I do say it happened because of the evidence. Stop repeating this mantra, it is assumed you are following some line of evidence, no matter how weak or untenuous. Nonsense, they cannot be replicated. This thread is to discuss the issues of how this apparent hoax, perhaps misunderstand may have occurred. Millions believe in Jesus, literally, the miracles; this is a mindset and yet at the same time a hoax. The Holocaust started out as mere genocide (which is supported) but the mindset grew to the belief in absurd claims. This is thanks to Spielberg and others, the censorship. The Holocaust is NOT the jewish genocide. |
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Post by Sandhurst on Dec 20, 2021 19:59:07 GMT
Yes it is. The Holocaust is the Nazi ethnic cleansing and genocidal actions against the Jews. Since no revisionist/denier can evidence who has hoaxed the gassing of c2.5 million Jews at various camps, 1942-4, then claims it is a hoax can be dismissed. The Holocaust is different to mere Genocide. It is Genocide on Steroids. If the Holocaust was defined as "ethnic cleansing and genocidal actions against the Jews" there would be a case. Apart from the eye witnesses who for the most part have an "interest" in saying what they did there is no other evidence that is compelling. You have been trying hard for years, but produced nothing new to support the gassing claims. While you may find them compelling, others do not and consider them bogus for the most part. However, there is a thread on gassing so to bring it up at every thread may not be wise. While people like yourself demand that others believe certain narratives of the Holocaust, others find many issues contradictory and "wanting". Constantly repeating it after 7 years you have been doing this does not make it any more true now than then. It is now just waffle and mantra. I am sure there were horrendous murders and criminal activity but nothing of the sort fantasized in the Holcoaust; a few thousand maybe but not millions. Most of the Jewish population statistics at the time were paper dolls. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 20, 2021 20:16:33 GMT
Yes it is. The Holocaust is the Nazi ethnic cleansing and genocidal actions against the Jews. Since no revisionist/denier can evidence who has hoaxed the gassing of c2.5 million Jews at various camps, 1942-4, then claims it is a hoax can be dismissed. The Holocaust is different to mere Genocide. It is Genocide on Steroids. If the Holocaust was defined as "ethnic cleansing and genocidal actions against the Jews" there would be a case. Apart from the eye witnesses who for the most part have an "interest" in saying what they did there is no other evidence that is compelling. You have been trying hard for years, but produced nothing new to support the gassing claims. While you may find them compelling, others do not and consider them bogus for the most part. However, there is a thread on gassing so to bring it up at every thread may not be wise. While people like yourself demand that others believe certain narratives of the Holocaust, others find many issues contradictory and "wanting". Constantly repeating it after 7 years you have been doing this does not make it any more true now than then. It is now just waffle and mantra. I am sure there were horrendous murders and criminal activity but nothing of the sort fantasized in the Holcoaust; a few thousand maybe but not millions. Most of the Jewish population statistics at the time were paper dolls. You are wheeling out various mantras, as you seek to avoid evidencing the mass gassings was a hoax. |
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Post by Sandhurst on Dec 20, 2021 21:48:52 GMT
If you have evidence, witnesses, documents etc. why do you need to say, "If it happened it was possible"? Why not say, "It happened because..."? This is what he needs to produce on other threads if he has the evidence. He has fired all his guns and now just resorting to blanks and powder puffs. Like the Dresden pyre he is equating it to Treblinka and Sobibor without sufficient evidence of how the Dresden pyre was fuelled. One thing is for sure the bodies did not burn on their own. The Holocaust is a religious belief system built up in layers from the original Nuremberg trials and the outlandish claims made from a few partisan witnesses. In the narratives, every shower block has been turned into a gas chamber (Mauthausen & Dachau); there is evidence of post war reconstruction of the blocks to make them appear lethal. It is just a matter of coincidence that the extermination camps just appear in Post War Soviet territory and no where else. If the Soviets had not gone over the Bug we can be assured that Treblinka and Sobibor including Belsen would have been reprieved of the ignomy that now surrounds them. The Mauthausen gas chamber was apparently for limited gassing for Aktion14f13 and not for Jews. Still there was a drainage hole in the middle of the floor. This is all backed up by legal sanctions, whether it is true or not. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 21, 2021 8:45:32 GMT
If you have evidence, witnesses, documents etc. why do you need to say, "If it happened it was possible"? Why not say, "It happened because..."? This is what he needs to produce on other threads if he has the evidence. He has fired all his guns and now just resorting to blanks and powder puffs. Like the Dresden pyre he is equating it to Treblinka and Sobibor without sufficient evidence of how the Dresden pyre was fuelled. One thing is for sure the bodies did not burn on their own. The Holocaust is a religious belief system built up in layers from the original Nuremberg trials and the outlandish claims made from a few partisan witnesses. Around 130 people, Nazis and Jews, have given evidence at numerous trials since 1945. It is an outlandish claim to say that they all lied. That proves claims are being challenged and dismissed where there is no evidence. How has the supposed hoax survived such scrutiny? That is wrong. The T4 euthanasia centre gas chambers were in Germany and the gas chambers at Natzweiler-Struthof were in France. It is not a coincidence the major death camps were in Poland, as that is where the majority of Jews lived. You are forgetting that is c2.5 million people were not gassed, they needed to be part of the hoax. |
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Post by Sandhurst on Dec 21, 2021 9:26:06 GMT
You are forgetting that is c2.5 million people were not gassed, they needed to be part of the hoax. Not at all, they had no idea people were using their names in vain. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 21, 2021 10:01:35 GMT
You are forgetting that is c2.5 million people were not gassed, they needed to be part of the hoax. Not at all, they had no idea people were using their names in vain. Your suggestion those people not gassed, never found out that they were supposed to have been gassed, is utterly idiotic. |
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Post by been_there on Dec 21, 2021 14:30:06 GMT
Not at all, they had no idea people were using their names in vain. Your suggestion those people not gassed, never found out that they were supposed to have been gassed, is utterly idiotic.
Here is just one example of a brother and sister living just 90 minutes drive from each other, yet the sister had apparently no idea she was considered to be one of what for many decades was FALSELY claimed to be โ4 millionโ Jews gassed to death at Auschwitz. This is just one of many such stories. That somebody insists on arguing repetitively onlne for their belief in these discredited mass-gassing claims, while being so woefully ignorant of the basic details, shows considerable duplicity. Further evidence that it requires a certain amount of wilfully stubborn ignorance to insist upon โfaithfulโ belief in the โholocaustโ mass-gassing claims.  |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 22, 2021 10:41:19 GMT
Your suggestion those people not gassed, never found out that they were supposed to have been gassed, is utterly idiotic.
Here is just one example of a brother and sister living just 90 minutes drive from each other, yet the sister had apparently no idea she was considered to be one of what for many decades was FALSELY claimed to be โ4 millionโ Jews gassed to death at Auschwitz. .... There are examples of people reunited after the war, who thought the other was dead. What you are dodging is that for the hoax to work, c2.5 million people have had to keep quiet about being at specific camps and not being gassed. They have had to keep quiet from neighbours, work colleagues etc and none ever went to the media to confess what really happened. Some have come forward to tell their stories, such as the example you quote. For the hoax to work, millions of people could not do that, because they had to be part of the big lie. It is a lie on such a massive scale, that it is impossible to maintain. |
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Dec 22, 2021 18:42:13 GMT
There are examples of people reunited after the war, who thought the other was dead. What you are dodging is that for the hoax to work, c2.5 million people have had to keep quiet about being at specific camps and not being gassed. They have had to keep quiet from neighbours, work colleagues etc and none ever went to the media to confess what really happened. Some have come forward to tell their stories, such as the example you quote. For the hoax to work, millions of people could not do that, because they had to be part of the big lie. It is a lie on such a massive scale, that it is impossible to maintain. It seems Nessie fails to see how the hoax works. The people mentioned are not the perpetrators but innocent people who have been duped. Iin some ways the hoaxers have "stolen" their identities and made them victims of a horror which did not happen to the extent claimed. They all look at the horrors of the Holocaust, thinking how lucky they were to have survived; in fact it is their identities that have been used to perpetrate the hoax unbeknown to them. In reality these living people were all murdered on paper and memory. The hoax perpetrators were the Soviets who capitalized on the rumours and black propaganda of the time; this is their modus operandi, the same callousness and machiavellan cunning that resulted in the murder of 60 million civilians in all. By blaming the Reich any misdeeds of their own (there were thousands) could be attributed to the Reich as was attempted at Katyn. Currently it would be Political Suicide for the current Russian administration to admit their forbears were mass murderers. They do know, which is why Stalins body was moved from the mausoleum to the Kremlin wall near other minor leaders of the Russian Revolution. |
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Post by been_there on Dec 22, 2021 19:16:49 GMT
Wow! Such stubbornly ill-informed and inaccurate arguments show a quite stupendous disconnect from historical reality and are easily refuted.
Here is just one example of a brother and sister living just 90 minutes drive from each other, yet the sister had apparently no idea she was considered to be one of what for many decades was FALSELY claimed to be โ4 millionโ Jews gassed to death at Auschwitz... There are examples of people reunited after the war, who thought the other was dead. Wow! Look at the level of denial and deceit Here is what was stated: NESSIE wrote:
โYour suggestion those people not gassed, never found out that they were supposed to have been gassed, is utterly idioticโ.I easily gave an example of just one of many such persons. That proves there is NOTHING โutterly idioticโ in stating this historical fact that people who are supposed to have been โgassedโ but survived the war did not know they were considered murdered by gassing. The amount of such surviving people falsely considered โgassedโ is obviously unknown, But Shoshana November is definitely an example of that. The jewish woman Shoshana November is is NOT just an โexample of people reunited after the war, who thought the other was deadโ. ๐๐คฆโโ๏ธ
What this person is now deceitfully avoiding is the easily proven fact that there is nothing โutterly idioticโ about jews surviving WW2 who did not know they are numbered amongst the millions supposedly โshoahedโ/โholocaustedโ. Here are examples of more: |
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 22, 2021 19:34:09 GMT
But...but...but been-there, just because there are credible witnesses and actual documents that support the fact that Jews were transported out of Treblinka doesn't prove that Jews left Treblinka. It just proves that there were "selections". Just because there were families separated by the upheavals of war doesn't mean that everyone who can't be accounted for wasn't gassed. So there!
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Post by been_there on Dec 22, 2021 19:45:26 GMT
More examples of historical fact that Nessie considers โutterly idioticโ:
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Post by Nessie on Dec 22, 2021 19:57:30 GMT
There are examples of people reunited after the war, who thought the other was dead. What you are dodging is that for the hoax to work, c2.5 million people have had to keep quiet about being at specific camps and not being gassed. They have had to keep quiet from neighbours, work colleagues etc and none ever went to the media to confess what really happened. Some have come forward to tell their stories, such as the example you quote. For the hoax to work, millions of people could not do that, because they had to be part of the big lie. It is a lie on such a massive scale, that it is impossible to maintain. It seems Nessie fails to see how the hoax works. The people mentioned are not the perpetrators but innocent people who have been duped. Iin some ways the hoaxers have "stolen" their identities and made them victims of a horror which did not happen to the extent claimed. They all look at the horrors of the Holocaust, thinking how lucky they were to have survived; in fact it is their identities that have been used to perpetrate the hoax unbeknown to them. In reality these living people were all murdered on paper and memory. The hoax perpetrators were the Soviets who capitalized on the rumours and black propaganda of the time; this is their modus operandi, the same callousness and machiavellan cunning that resulted in the murder of 60 million civilians in all. By blaming the Reich any misdeeds of their own (there were thousands) could be attributed to the Reich as was attempted at Katyn. Currently it would be Political Suicide for the current Russian administration to admit their forbears were mass murderers. They do know, which is why Stalins body was moved from the mausoleum to the Kremlin wall near other minor leaders of the Russian Revolution.
How did the Soviets persuade the Dutch Jews and Dutch government in 1945 to pretend so many were gassed at Sobibor in 1943?
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Post by been_there on Dec 22, 2021 20:10:51 GMT
Here is more evidence showing jewish people who have been considered โholcaustedโ/โshoahedโ/โgassedโ actually survived WW2. Thus PROVING there is nothing โutterly idioticโ about mentioning these historical facts. And also proving that it is this โholocaust true-believerโ who is maintaining belief in the โ holocaustโ belief by denying historical facts. Oh, the irony!  Israeli siblings Alex Kafri, 71, and Dorit Yarom, 68, were never acquainted with any relatives outside their immediate family. โ...I grew up with the [FALSE] knowledge that her siblings and uncles and aunts died in the Holocaust,โ Kafri said.
www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holocaust-survivors-find-over-500-lost-family-members-after-years-alone-501336
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