So, how does this "hoax" work, anyway?

The Katyn hoax was not kept secret. It was believed to be a hoax from the start, but it was not politically expedient to challenge the Soviet version. That is the only reason why the Soviets were able to claim it was the Nazis, when many knew it was the Soviets.

Hoaxing the murder by gassing of c2.5 million people during WWII, is physically impossible, as it requires the coordination and cooperation of far too many people, across numerous countries over many decades.

If the Nazis had not gassed people at the AR camps, Chelmno and A-B Kremas, as they did with Katyn, they would have allowed independent observers to accompany German investigators to gather evidence to prove what did happen inside those places. Instead, when from 1942, Polish intelligence reports were claiming mass murder at those places, the Nazis did the opposite of an open Katyn investigation and instead they did as much as possible to destroy and hide evidence.

It is exactly on topic. The hoax requires millions to cooperate and lie.



I get you think it was a hoax. How was that possible?

It begs the question why you think that the gassing narrative is the holocaust. An attempt to derail by talking about gassing will not cut the mustard. This is why definitions are important to stop the waffling. Lets stick to this definition.


The important points are highlighted.


Another cut & paste mantra.


More off topic nonsense on transit camps and evidencing. The Holocaust is bigger than the AR camps, Auschwitz and gas chamber. The definition above mentions "collaborators" of the Reich.

This thread is not about proving or disproving Jewish genocide, gas chambers, transports, transit camps but how aspects of the Holocaust have been hoaxed and its continuation.

It is noticed as mentioned elsewhere, that all these archaeological investigations mentions in bold letters, gas chambers found; to them like Nessie the gassing narrative is somehow more important than other more efficient methods. (if that did happen).

What was really found by the archaeologists were trinkets, building foundations.  The foundations could be tool-sheds. In their minds ground disturbance is a mass graves, every building foundation is a gas chamber.  These are examples of preconceived biases.

There were true horrors, far worse than the potentially fake claims of smashing babies and burning blood, self cremating corpses or masturbation machines.
By design or neglect, Jews were often subjected to horrendous conditions. I suspect that to some SS, callous indifference to their fellow humans was the reason. How this insensitivity happened could be open to discussion except that every discussion involves fake claims.

There were claims of gassing on trains, which was not true. However, the chlorine compounds put into those carriages to prevent disease may well have had a deleterious effect over an extended period of time. Like Covid it affected people with co morbid conditions. Did any SS man do a risk assessment before transportation? The response is they were going to be murdered anyhow. This is not true of course as there were the "selections" for this, if the gassing narrative has any substance.

Top me the Jewish Genocide was real; many died by callous neglect on behalf of the SS. One could claim the speeches at places like Posen set the framework and emotional context for SS men to become callous, indifferent, even murder individuals; mass murder is another ball game, so the slippery slope argument does not hold.  They (the SS) did consider jews to be Untermenschen or sub human, just like many American, French and English, of earlier periods considering blacks to be racially inferior; some still do today. Neglect and murder was also rampant in those colonies of despair; this did not lead to mass extermination claims of the "colored" folk.

The charge of Genocide does not indicate numbers, just that "members of a group were killed"; whether it was 6 or 600 the charge would hold.

Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group was intended by the Reich, especially the mental harm; this is genocide.

If the Holocaust equated to Genocide then I doubt there would be a huge disagreement if the definitions were followed. The Shoah is different full of embellishments which never happened which is why it should be treated with great suspicion.

It started out as Black Propaganda, continuing to this day. It is so unnecessary as the charge of Genocide can be upheld without the dressing.

The main revisionist claim is that Nazi treatment of Jews during WWII did not include mass gassings and that has been hoaxed. A few also claim the mass shootings at sites such as Babi yar did not take place. The rest of what happened; the registering of Jews, sending them to camps and ghettos, the mass theft of their property and large numbers of deaths due to disease and forced labour, are not disputed. That is why gassings are concentrated on.



I am explaining that you need evidence(witnesses, documents, physical items etc, not arguments)to prove the hoax.



No, they are examples of converging evidence that corroborates. When witnesses claim a gas chambers was built, then demolished and buried and later excavations find the demolished remains of a building, that is converging evidence, which corroborates the witness claims. At TII, the tiles found matched the tile colours described by witnesses.



No one is disputing that Jews were often subject to horrendous conditions. It is not part of the alleged hoax.



I am yet to meet a revisionist who does not accept that there was a form of genocide or ethnic cleansing by the Nazis, of the Jews. That is not what the supposed hoax is. The supposed hoax is gassings.