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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Dec 6, 2021 18:01:21 GMT
You have clearly not thought through how the hoax could have worked. You clearly know little about hoaxes. The Holocaust and opposed to Genocide has an analogy akin to religious beliefs. All religions are a hoax, yet believed by billions of intelligent people. The Hawaiians still believe Kฤne is the God of Creation and the Sky. (Tane in the Cook Islands), Jesus walked on water, turned it into wine and rose from the dead. Muslims believe the winged horse Buraq flew Muhammad into the heavens. All the followers of these religions would be offended if they thought they were participating and promulgating a hoax, yet every Sunday priests offer sacraments, consecrating the Eucharist, the bread or Host. Most people involved in a hoax have no idea they are involved. Same with the Holocaust. The Genocide of the Jews has basis in reality but the Holocaust has moved well beyond that point into the realm of fantasy.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 6, 2021 18:22:18 GMT
.....The Genocide of the Jews has basis in reality but the Holocaust has moved well beyond that point into the realm of fantasy. What happened in the genocide of the Jews under the Nazis during WWII? Were any gassed during that genocide? How many died in total?
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Post by Sandhurst on Dec 6, 2021 19:00:49 GMT
What happened in the genocide of the Jews under the Nazis during WWII? Were any gassed during that genocide? How many died in total? This has been discussed earlier here. The charge of "genocide" does not give minimum numbers of alleged victims; the charge being a matter of "intent" by the perpetrators. If the intent is to destroy, in part the Jews of Europe that would be Genocide, whether it be 6, 60, 6 thousand or six million. Each person must decide if the conditions of Genocide and intent were committed by the Reich in consideration of the following information. I think the boxes are ticked to claim Genocide. The Holocaust is a different beast. Genocide definition.Article II (United Nations)In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such: Killing members of the group; Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
This is a much narrow definition of the term than public perception; it is identical to Article 6 of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court. Crimes against humanity are ratified in the Rome Statue, (Article 7). The Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court defines crimes against humanity in Article 7 which entered into force on 17 July 1998. Those interested in the history of the term genocide may refer to a previous post: what is the Holocaust.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 6, 2021 19:48:26 GMT
What happened in the genocide of the Jews under the Nazis during WWII? Were any gassed during that genocide? How many died in total? This has been discussed earlier here. The charge of "genocide" does not give minimum numbers of alleged victims; the charge being a matter of "intent" by the perpetrators. If the intent is to destroy, in part the Jews of Europe that would be Genocide, whether it be 6, 60, 6 thousand or six million. Each person must decide if the conditions of Genocide and intent were committed by the Reich in consideration of the following information. I think the boxes are ticked to claim Genocide. The Holocaust is a different beast. Genocide definition.Article II (United Nations)In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such: Killing members of the group; Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
This is a much narrow definition of the term than public perception; it is identical to Article 6 of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court. Crimes against humanity are ratified in the Rome Statue, (Article 7). The Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court defines crimes against humanity in Article 7 which entered into force on 17 July 1998. Those interested in the history of the term genocide may refer to a previous post: what is the Holocaust. I was not looking for another post on what a genocide is. I was looking for some answers as to what happened in the genocide of the Jews under the Nazis during WWII? Were any gassed during that genocide? How many died in total?
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Post by Sandhurst on Dec 6, 2021 21:22:23 GMT
I was not looking for another post on what a genocide is. I was looking for some answers as to what happened in the genocide of the Jews under the Nazis during WWII? Were any gassed during that genocide? How many died in total? How many died is unknown, no doubt some were murdered; this is true if euthanasia was implemented as suggested. It is a very slippery slope from euthanizing terminally ill to those who just annoy. The potential misuse of such power is enormous, especially under conditions of war and the deprivations that are a part of it. Incarcerating people without the demanding necessities of life, adequate nutrition and medicine is criminal neglect. I have in mind the Corfu people who apparently spent days on a transport without water, the people in Latvia in cardboard shelters, the measles epidemic near Kaiserwald that killed 500 kids. In modern times if a farmer has diseased stock they are dealt with. This happened in Rumania when a militia group shot thousands of jews who had typhus. I am sure the doctors in the camps had similar issues to face with diseased and dying people; perhaps euthanasia was a viable option. Typhus in the camps had a 60% fatality rate. Ulios calculated the natural mortality rate in the European Jewish population over those years (same as the Philippines) at 1.8 million, the birth rate being nil. With neglect, starvation, freezing conditions, disease the death rate would be at least double to 3.6 million to which the anti partisan Einsatz actions can be added. I really do not think that gas chambers are a necessity, or mass murder. Life expectancy would have been low enough.
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 6, 2021 22:34:04 GMT
Nessie wrote:
What you claim or don't claim is irrelevant to the fact that in most European countries, it's illegal to question the holyhoax. Europeans have always been big on heresy laws.
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Post by Agandaur on Dec 6, 2021 22:36:25 GMT
Europeans have always been big on heresy laws. That's heresy.
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 7, 2021 2:18:57 GMT
Europeans have always been big on heresy laws. That's heresy. LOL!
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Post by Nessie on Dec 7, 2021 8:41:58 GMT
I would like an answer to my question about the Dutch Jews. At what point were they made aware that they were now part of a hoax and could not return to the Netherlands?
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 8, 2021 7:47:05 GMT
I would like an answer to my question about the Dutch Jews. At what point were they made aware that they were now part of a hoax and could not return to the Netherlands? When were the Dutch Jews informed that they had become a small part of the six million Jews that were allegedly gassed during WW II?
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Post by Nessie on Dec 8, 2021 15:34:35 GMT
I would like an answer to my question about the Dutch Jews. At what point were they made aware that they were now part of a hoax and could not return to the Netherlands? When were the Dutch Jews informed that they had become a small part of the six million Jews that were allegedly gassed during WW II? That is a question for you to answer, since you claim the 34,000 Dutch Jews sent to Sobibor in 1943 were not gassed. At what point were they told they were part of a hoax and they could not return to the Netherlands and reclaim their homes, other property jobs and businesses? How were they made to agree to cooperating with the hoax? What about the 18 who did return to the Netherlands to reclaim their old lives?
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 8, 2021 22:17:43 GMT
Nessie continues to wail, "Where did they goooooo?".
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Post by Sandhurst on Dec 8, 2021 22:40:41 GMT
Nessie continues to wail, "Where did they goooooo?". As the Lantos family mentioned in the book "Parallel Lines", the Soviets kept many concentration camp prisoners captive to rebuild Russia and make up for the losses. These issues should be investigated long before the "where did they go" wail. If there was a quick and easy answer it could be given but it seems they were spread out like butter across many loaves of bread.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 9, 2021 11:00:23 GMT
This thread is for revisionists to explain how the hoax worked. I have used the example of the Dutch Jews, for whom a lot of detail is known. In 1943, 34,000 were transported from Westerbork camp in the Netherlands to Sobibor. By the end of the war, 18 from those transports had returned to the Netherlands. They all claimed Sobibor was a death camp. For the hoax to work, 18 people out of 34,000 have been selected to be the public face of the hoax, give interviews, some details below in the link and the other 34,000 had to keep quiet and not return to the Netherlands, because they had supposedly been gassed. www.sobiborinterviews.nl/en/interviewsWho organised the hoax? When were the 18 selected to speak about what happened? Who ensured the other 34,000 kept quiet?
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 9, 2021 11:23:49 GMT
Nessie's variation of his wail, "Where did they goooooooooo?".
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