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Post by Nessie on Dec 5, 2021 18:04:28 GMT
1 - if the "Russians" had 7 million people to run the Holocaust hoax, how come they still failed to manage the Katyn hoax?
2 - a team of 7 million to run a hoax is in itself impossible. That means 7 million people have had to keep quiet and be successful.
3 - if it was a hoax, why not have far more witnesses who are coached to be more credible?
The Katyn hoax was kept secret for over 40 years. Soviets were great at keeping secrets. The art of a great lie is not to over do it. You have dodged my questions.
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Post by Nazgรปl on Dec 5, 2021 18:05:39 GMT
The Russians are still hoaxing it.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 5, 2021 19:29:29 GMT
The Russians are still hoaxing it.
Why and how?
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 5, 2021 20:08:57 GMT
The Soviets kept the fiction of Katyn until the communist government fell apart. Lots of communist projects fell apart at that time. Ever see any of the photos of Soviet submarines rotting away?
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Post by Nessie on Dec 6, 2021 11:01:13 GMT
The Soviets kept the fiction of Katyn until the communist government fell apart. Lots of communist projects fell apart at that time. Ever see any of the photos of Soviet submarines rotting away? It is impossible for the SU to have kept a Holocaust hoax going from the first Polish reports in 1942, to nowadays.
There is also no reason why the SU needed such a hoax. The Nazis were always going to be the bad guys anyway. Nazism was always going to end with the end of the war, the west would not tolerate it in West Germany and the Soviets in East Germany.
The hoax could not just be run by the Soviets. It also needed cooperation of other countries, for example the Dutch Government and their claims that they lost around 70% of their Jewish population, many to Sobibor. Why would the various democratic Dutch Governments cooperate with the Soviets, in a hoax to fool the Dutch people?
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 6, 2021 13:16:46 GMT
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Until the early 70s there wasn't any holyhoax. Just some atrocities and the four million supposedly killed at Auschwitz. Lots of countries wanted to cover up their own atrocities such as the firebombing air raids. Jews wanted revenge on the Germans for booting their bankers out of Germany and, of course, reparations. Sell your, "It was just the Soviets" down the street.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 6, 2021 15:13:38 GMT
Nessie wrote: Until the early 70s there wasn't any holyhoax. That the Nazis had been registering, imprisoning and murdering Jews in gas chambers and mass shootings, as part of a plan to rid occupied Europe of Jews, was known from before the end of the war. Initially it was referred to as a genocide, and the Holocaust was, and still is, largely known by Jews as the destruction or Shoah. The Holocaust is the most modern term and now most widely used. Not true. The Auschwitz, other camp trials, Einsatzgruppen and trials of individual senior Nazis began in the 1940s. The AR camp trials began in the late 1950s. I am not arguing the Soviets ran the hoax, I am arguing against it. I am also arguing that it is not a Jewish run hoax. It is too big a hoax for any group to run. Only someone with a predilection to believing in hoaxes and conspiracies will fall for the claim of the Holocaust was hoaxed.
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 6, 2021 15:41:52 GMT
Nessie tries to spread the official bull[excrement]. Eeeevul Narzis, Jews, gas chambers, etc. Right, there's no business like shoah business and the term, "holocaust" wasn't introduced until the early 70s. Until the Jews invented the holyhoax there was just the "genocide", another made up word by a Jew and the "death camp" alleged atrocities. The Soviets invented the Katyn claim along with their "death camp" tales and it was picked up by the Jews who ran with it. The marsupial escapades at Nuremberg were mostly a Soviet and Jew show. Jackson even wrote a letter complaining about the number of Jews in the American delegation. Not that he objected to Jews but was worried about the optics and how it would look like Jews taking their revenge on the Germans. Well, he was right about that.
Nessie seems to be arguing that the holyhoax is too big to fail. He should take a look around the internet. Plenty of sites where the holyhoax is a matter of derision and jokes. Nessie can claim that the witnesses were just exaggerating but essentially told the truth but rational people find their crude lies to be laughable.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 6, 2021 16:42:49 GMT
For there to have been a hoax, needs the cooperation of the c2.5 million Jews you claim were not gassed, to pretend they were and not return home to claim their home, businesses and jobs. How were the 34,000 Dutch Jews sent from Westerbork to Sobibor in 1943, persuaded to pretend they were gassed there? Did the Nazis great them and tell them they were now part of a hoax, that was designed to make the Nazis look very bad? Or, were they all contacted at the end of the war and told not to return to the Netherlands, they were to be resettled elsewhere and they were to keep quiet about really happened at Sobibor?
You have clearly not thought through how the hoax could have worked.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 6, 2021 17:56:23 GMT
You clearly have your head up your arse. Making it illegal to question the hoax isn't the same as the hoax being the truth. I have never claimed otherwise. Strawman.
Now, who convinced the Dutch Jews sent to Sobibor to go along with the hoax?
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