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Post by been_there on May 31, 2022 19:08:06 GMT
I have not watched Marr interviewing Chomsky... Then you have no right to expect more explanations. 1. You canโt possibly know that without familiarising yourself with what is explained there. 2. That assumes Noam Chomsky is also โpart of my generalist allegation of a mass deceptionโ. A literally ridiculous assumption. 3. That idiotic reply from you begs the question why you are asking me any questions at all. Ha ha! You must be insane! I have now answered you FOUR TIMES!!! More insanity! I have explained in DETAIL how it works in my own words and quoting accepted authorities Bernays and Chomsky to support my view. You just canโt understand that because of a comprehension disability which you are in denial of, and because you refuse to familarise yourself with the sources provided. I bet you didnโt watch the short Irving clip โ which also answers your question about historians and Universities โ from 32:00 either, did you? Then why do Bernays and Chomsky say otherwise, you moron?
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Post by Nessie on May 31, 2022 19:22:35 GMT
.... Then why do Bernays and Chomsky say otherwise, you moron? At last, you are claiming that the majority of historians have been fooled by the mass delusion. Some have questioned it, resulting in either them or their university of both being subject to pressure to conform.
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Post by been_there on May 31, 2022 19:29:40 GMT
.... Then why do Bernays and Chomsky say otherwise, you moron? At last, you are claiming that the majority of historians have been fooled by the mass delusion. Some have questioned it, resulting in either them or their university of both being subject to pressure to conform. Oh boy! ๐๐คฆโโ๏ธ๐คช You are still trying to reduce an answer down to your own ignorant level. You are still applying a false dichotomy. Watch the clips. Read Manufacturing consent by Chomsky. Or remain in ignorance and continue arguing from a position of wilful ignorance. Iโm done with you.
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Post by Nessie on May 31, 2022 19:42:29 GMT
At last, you are claiming that the majority of historians have been fooled by the mass delusion. Some have questioned it, resulting in either them or their university of both being subject to pressure to conform. Oh boy! ๐๐คฆโโ๏ธ๐คช You are still trying to reduce an answer down to your own ignorant level. You are still applying a false dichotomy. Watch the clips. Read Manufacturing consent by Chomsky. Or remain in ignorance and continue arguing from a position of wilful ignorance. Iโm done with you.
Historians have either been fooled into believing mass gassings took place and are victims of the hoax, or they know those gassings did not take place and are part of the hoax.
That is not a false dichotomy. There is no other option. There are no historians who have published works to say they are not sure if mass gassings happened or not. The vast majority say that they did happen. They must then either know that is not the case, or they have been hoaxed. Why are you unable to openly say whether they are victims of the hoax, or part of the hoax and discuss the issue around that?
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Post by Ulios on May 31, 2022 19:51:53 GMT
This poster Nessie is fixated on mass gassing, as though that is "the Holocaust". He brings this into every bloody discussion.
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Post by Nessie on May 31, 2022 20:00:16 GMT
This poster Nessie is fixated on mass gassing, as though that is "the Holocaust". He brings this into every bloody discussion.
The key element of the Holocaust was mass gassings. Mass gassings is the one part of the Holocaust that revisionists dispute. Mass mistreatment of Jews, mass shootings by the EG, terrible death tolls in the camps due to disease, are all acknowledged by revisionists.
The only part of the Holocaust that revisionists say was hoaxed, is the mass gassings.
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Post by Ulios on May 31, 2022 20:11:04 GMT
The only part of the Holocaust that revisionists say was hoaxed, is the mass gassings. No it is not, it is the overall death toll. How they died is really irrelevant. What is relevant is how culpable the Germans were in these deaths. You might think it normal for a population which is rising steady for hundreds of years to have a population spike as shown by some here. That spike was likely fudged by Samuel Untermeyer and his cronies, all jews in charge of these statistics without any oversight. Those paper people were all gassed, the reality is they never existed. To ask where non existent people went would be your crowning debut into serial madness. It also begs the question why over 600 camps in White Ruthenia lay vacant.
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Post by Turnagain on May 31, 2022 20:25:39 GMT
Nessie wrote:
Lots of people in the world are deluded or have contrary opinions. Flat earthers, the "we didn't go to the moon" crowd and pro and anti global warming claims. All of these controversies and more are openly and heatedly discussed in publications and media. Why is it that anyone who attempts to discuss the holyhoax is immediately vilified, threatened, loses their livelihood, is socially ostracized and in 19 countries, brought up on charges and sentenced to prison? Why must the holyhoax be protected from discussion? That is no delusion so how do you explain that?
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Post by been_there on May 31, 2022 22:18:59 GMT
Nessie wrote: ... All of these controversies and more are openly and heatedly discussed in publications and media. Why is it that anyone who attempts to discuss the holyhoax is immediately vilified, threatened, loses their livelihood, is socially ostracized and in 19 countries, brought up on charges and sentenced to prison? Why must the holyhoax be protected from discussion? That is no delusion so how do you explain that? Excellent questions! ๐๐ But Nessie doesnโt answer questions. ๐ She only poses them, ...the same ones, ...over and over and over again. Ad nauseum...
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Post by been_there on Jun 1, 2022 8:19:03 GMT
This poster Nessie is fixated on mass gassing, as though that is "the Holocaust". He brings this into every bloody discussion. The key element of the Holocaust was mass gassings. Mass gassings is the one part of the Holocaust that revisionists dispute. Mass mistreatment of Jews, mass shootings by the EG, terrible death tolls in the camps due to disease, are all acknowledged by revisionists. The only part of the Holocaust that revisionists say was hoaxed, is the mass gassings.
1. Revising is a verb, not a noun. 2. People who seek a fair and rigorous revising of this particular, protected, fixed, off-limits narrative are not one fixed body. 3. Therefore there is no unanimous โrevisionistโ fixed position or crede. Do we agree? 4. But uncritical believers of the H-narrative see everyone as they are. Therefore they see everything in dualistic terms: right or wrong, virtuous or evil, believer in all of it or denier of everything. There is no room for nuance, complexity or differences on sacrosanct details. For them it is all or nothing; โgoodโ believer or โevilโ denier. Therefore to a holocaust true-believer their dogma insists that the world is divided between good believers like themselves, and โbadโ deniers. Consequently Nessie appears to see all who engage in revision of this anti-German, holocaust hate-trope as representing parts of one absolute intellectual edifice. Summary: Nessie canโt see complexity or nuance. Everything in her eyes is reduced down to simplistic dichotomies. But through attempting to reply to revisionists with varied interpretations of the WW2 evidence, Nessie ironically is slowly becoming a โdenierโ in the eyes of people like Ephraim Kaye (Yad Vashem Director). ๐ Nessie is so desperate to contradict that she flips and rotates her arguments 180ยฐ whenever necessary. As we see repeatedly, she is unable to hold a coherent, logically consistent viewpoint. This is one example of that: so sometimes she demonises others opposed to her nonsense as deniers, sometimes as revisionists. The irony is that to people like Holocaust high-priestess Debbie Lipstadt, Nessie is becoming a soft-denier. ๐ฎ I suspect โNessie is fixated on mass gassing, as though that is โthe Holocaustโ...โ and arguing that โthe only part of the Holocaust that revisionists say was hoaxed, is the mass gassingsโ is because that is her over-simplified, slight misrepresentation of my position.
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Post by Nessie on Jun 1, 2022 9:16:56 GMT
The only part of the Holocaust that revisionists say was hoaxed, is the mass gassings. No it is not, it is the overall death toll. How they died is really irrelevant. What is relevant is how culpable the Germans were in these deaths. You might think it normal for a population which is rising steady for hundreds of years to have a population spike as shown by some here. That spike was likely fudged by Samuel Untermeyer and his cronies, all jews in charge of these statistics without any oversight. Those paper people were all gassed, the reality is they never existed. To ask where non existent people went would be your crowning debut into serial madness. It also begs the question why over 600 camps in White Ruthenia lay vacant. So Korherr and Hofle lied about 1.27 million people being sent to the AR camps by the end of 1942? The arguments you come up with to support your hoax claims, are frankly ridiculous.
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Post by been_there on Jun 1, 2022 10:32:43 GMT
So, HOW does the hoax of a vague, ill-defined narrative called โthe holocaustโ โ one protected from critical investigation and therefore a pseudo history regarded as a quasi-religion โ how does such a monolithic mass-delusion or hoax work? How is it possible that such a monolithic, narrative โ one that has become central to many other related core beliefs about โusโ and those we are conditioned and expected to regard as our โenemiesโ โ could be maintained and given lip-service by so many people? Well, I have already partially explained the psychology of how group thinking in general is moulded, formed, maintained and controlled by referring to the writing on โpropagandaโ by Edward Bernays. His explanation obviously applies also to the H-belief and group-think. I have also corroborated that by referencing the writing on such manipulation and control of group-think, written and explained by the reknowned intellectual Noam Chomsky. Both of these authors, incidentally, self-identify as being โJewishโ. I further referenced the explanation given by historian David Irving, where he speaks from personal experience of this phenomena and details SPECIFICALLY how that manifests in Universities and with qualified historians. That has all been ignored by one individual here, and revealingly that person repeatedly claims none of those posts written by me answer the question of how the hoax is maintained, nor how it relates to Universities. This individual insists those replies from me do not even exist here at RODOH! That is a quite remarkable degree of denial of objective reality. .. .. .. .. .. But anyway... moving on. ๐ Here is another expression explaining how and why this phenomena of basic human psychology โworksโ! I didnโt write it myself, I just amended one word to make it better fit this discussion:
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Post by Ulios on Jun 1, 2022 11:14:33 GMT
So Korherr and Hofle lied about 1.27 million people being sent to the AR camps by the end of 1942? This has been brought up before by the dark rider. Korherr mentioned nothing about the AR camps. He said "transited through the camps of the GG and in the Warthegau. Hoefle gave symbols (letters) which are open to interpretation. This has been discussed so please do not use such tripe as "evidence".
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Post by Nessie on Jun 1, 2022 11:22:00 GMT
So Korherr and Hofle lied about 1.27 million people being sent to the AR camps by the end of 1942? This has been brought up before by the dark rider. Korherr mentioned nothing about the AR camps. He said "transited through the camps of the GG and in the Warthegau. Hoefle gave symbols (letters) which are open to interpretation. This has been discussed so please do not use such tripe as "evidence". For the hoax to work, needs fake documents such as the Korherr Report and Hofle Telegram. Korherr presonally confirmed his document was not fake, which means he was fooled by the Hofle Telegram being a fake. Why faked the Hofle Telegram and why?
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Post by Ulios on Jun 1, 2022 11:50:16 GMT
For the hoax to work, needs fake documents such as the Korherr Report and Hofle Telegram. Korherr presonally confirmed his document was not fake, which means he was fooled by the Hofle Telegram being a fake. Why faked the Hofle Telegram and why? Most people do not have the tenacity to persevere with obscurity. This holocaust is in a deep cloud of fog, covering a terrain of cattle excrement. People like yourself and Nick Terry do not elucidate but obfuscate to the point of opaqueness. The hoax is caused by deliberate confusion for which you Nessie are culpable.
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