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Post by Nessie on May 30, 2022 9:49:22 GMT
This is how the mass-deception works: by understanding the mechanisms of group identity and group thinking and then applying that through mass-media channels. This is how manipulating and controlling majority opinion is achieved in a whole hosts of areas. And this manipulation of the mechanisms of group-thinking has very clearly been applied to WW2 history โ especially the elevation of the Jewish experience and suffering within the accepted narrative of that global mass-carnage...... In the mass deception you allege, how are the university historians spilt? How many run the deception and how many are fooled by it? The vast majority of the narrative comes from historians, so their role is key. Is Nick Terry a deceiver, or has he been deceived?
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Post by nazgul on May 30, 2022 9:54:19 GMT
Is Nick Terry a deceiver, or has he been deceived? Dr. Terry ist Jude
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Post by been_there on May 30, 2022 10:42:02 GMT
The mass-deception regarding the narrative of a Jew-genocide during WW2 โ by the alleged mass-gassing of approx 3 million Jews โ has been achieved and continues to be maintained in numerous ways. As I just pointed out, one of the key methods is making sure genuine debate never gets wide-spread public attention. Anyone attempting to open up debate is attacked, smeared, silenced, discredited and ostracised. E.g. That is precisely what happened to the academic and tenured Professor Anthony Hall merely for calling for more open debate about the holyhoax. But that smear tactic is just one part of the over-arching methodology which is by group manipulation. I.e. that which Edward Bernays wrote about in his influential book called โPropagandaโ. Though that word in the title has since become regarded as an extremely negative thing, ironically due to the propaganda demonisation in the group mind of the Minister of Propaganda for NSDAP led Germany, Herr Joe Goebbels. So now this same psychological manipulation is called Public Relations (PR) instead. The idea everyone is constantly manipulated into accepting without any evidence, is that only bad people question or disbelieve this compulsory fable. And the corrolorary of that is that such unevidenced โbadโ people and their ideas should be immediately rejected and shunned by โgoodโ people. The vast majority of people who want to succeed in society have a largely unadmitted desire to โvirtue signalโ and be regarded as a โgoodโ person. And by playing on such psychological desires, the racist, anti-German, WW2 mass-gassing hate-trope is maintained. The Jewish author Bernays celebrated and taught how to harness the mechanism of such shared group psychology. Another Jewish academic wrote a more noble and critical evaluation of how that has been misused in his book โ Manufacturing consentโ. In an interview with top British TV political journalist Andrew Marr, Noam Chomsky tried unsuccessfully to explain how this works. But as an example of a victim of group psychological manipulation, Marr couldnโt understand how it applied to he himself. Which ironically demonstrates how it works. ๐
__ __ __ __ The great potential of using insights from group psychology to control the masses is partly a function of the fact that an individual can be influenced by a group or crowd even when physically isolated. As Bernays pointed out in another book Crystallizing Public Opinion, a crowd โdoes not mean merely a physical aggregation of a number of personsโฆthe crowd is rather a state of mind.โ So long as someone engages in group-identification, their mind and behaviour will be changed by the enduring influence of group psychology, even with no other members of the group physically present. To understand how the tendency of human beings to engage in group-identification renders the masses manipulable, we must turn to one of Freudโs ideas which heavily influenced the manipulation techniques developed by Bernays. In his book Propaganda, published in 1928, Bernays explained: โIt is chiefly the psychologists of the school of Freud who have pointed out that many of manโs thoughts and actions are compensatory substitutes for desires which he has been obliged to suppress. A thing may be desired not for its intrinsic worth or usefulness, but because he has unconsciously come to see in it a symbol of something else...โWhat Freud suggested is that often there is a divorce between oneโs conscious thoughts, and feelings and desires which do not fit with oneโs self-image and which are therefore suppressed. This fact, Bernays recognised, renders human beings manipulable. For if one can design propaganda or psychological operations that bypass the conscious and rational faculties of the individual, targeting instead suppressed emotions and hidden desires, it is possible to move people to adopt beliefs and behaviours without them being aware of the underlying motivations leading them on. As Bernays explained: โโฆmen are very largely actuated by motives which they conceal from themselvesโฆ It is evident that the successful propagandist must understand the true motives and not be content to accept the reasons which men give for what they do.โIt is possible, although often difficult, for an individual to become aware of the underlying motives driving their beliefs and actions through honest and critical introspection. However, once one succumbs to the effects of group identification, such critical introspection becomes nearly impossible. โA group is extraordinarily credulous and open to influenceโ, wrote Freud, โ[as] it has no critical faculty.โ ~ Group Psychology and The Analysis of the Ego, by Sigmund Freud.
In identifying with a group, the individual subordinates self-analysis and a discerning search for the truth in favour of maintaining group interests and cohesion. And with their critical capacities weakened by the influence of group psychology, they become highly susceptible to psychological operations designed to target suppressed or unconscious desires and emotions. In the modern day there [are] forces operating through the mainstream media and popular culture, which are attempting to increase the individualโs proclivity to engage in certain types of group identification โ namely identifications that divide the population into conflicting groups. academyofideas.com/2017/07/edward-bernays-group-psychology-manipulating-the-masses/
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Post by Nessie on May 30, 2022 14:00:29 GMT
The mass-deception regarding the narrative of a Jew-genocide during WW2 โ by the alleged mass-gassing of approx 3 million Jews โ has been achieved and continues to be maintained in numerous ways. As I just pointed out, one of the key methods is making sure genuine debate never gets wide-spread public attention. Anyone attempting to open up debate is attacked, smeared, silenced, discredited and ostracised. E.g. That is precisely what happened to the academic and tenured Professor Anthony Hall merely for calling for more open debate about the holyhoax.
That few, if any academics will debate revisionists, looks like it could be due to their role in protecting a hoax. But that does not mean those academics are protecting a hoax. There could be other reasons not to do with protecting a hoax, as to why they will not engage with revisionists.
The mass deception you suggest, does it apply to all university history departments? Are they all part of the deception, or they being deceived?
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Post by been_there on May 30, 2022 14:54:19 GMT
The mass-deception regarding the narrative of a Jew-genocide during WW2 โ by the alleged mass-gassing of approx 3 million Jews โ has been achieved and continues to be maintained in numerous ways. As I just pointed out, one of the key methods is making sure genuine debate never gets wide-spread public attention. Anyone attempting to open up debate is attacked, smeared, silenced, discredited and ostracised. E.g. That is precisely what happened to the academic and tenured Professor Anthony Hall merely for calling for more open debate about the holyhoax... That few, if any academics will debate revisionists, looks like it could be due to their role in protecting a hoax. But that does not mean those academics are protecting a hoax. There could be other reasons not to do with protecting a hoax, as to why they will not engage with revisionists.
The mass deception you suggest, does it apply to all university history departments? Are they all part of the deception, or they being deceived?
[Oh boy ๐] The way to understand for oneself HOW to guage exactly that has just been explained. ๐คฆโโ๏ธ Hereโs what I expect any HONEST person with questions โ or anyone who is having difficulty understanding โ to do: 1.) Re-read the previous replies again until they understand them. 2.) Read Noam Chomskyโs book โManufacturing consentโ that I previously referred to. 3. Watch again the extremely short Youtube clip of Chomsky discussing how consent is manufactured, that I made available for any idiots with short attention-spans, or who are in denial and experiencing cognitive dissonance 4.) Seek out and watch the whole Marr interview with Chomsky, IF they canโt be bothered to educate themselves and actually read Chomskyโs book. 5.) Read up on the smear campaign of lies, character assassination and career destruction that Prof Hall was targeted with. Dishonest obfuscators I of course do not expect to do any of that. ๐ ______________________ The reality is that the vast majority of well-informed revisionists or their sympathisers have not been credibly shown to be motivated in their historical research by anti-semitism or any form of racial prejudice or hatred. Instead they have been motivated by a preference for TRUTH over self-interested LIES! Alan B Kennady is a good example. He wasn't interested at all in the Jewish aspect of the H-narrative, but only the technical and psychological aspects of the mass-gassing narrative. Yet still he wisely realised it was absolutely necessary to protect himself and his family from attack by Jews and Jewish organisations, so published his academic research using a pseudonym to maintain anonymity. So, why? A holyhoax true-believer needs to explain that! Professor Anthony Hall is yet another recent example of the dangers of an academic NOT protecting themself with anonymity. He never mentioned โthe holocaustโ in any of his classes. He only made a public call for open debate about the H-belief-system. He did that as a private person, not at the University. Canadian Jewish organisations then inaugurated a hate campaign of smears, lies and defamation against him. He has been called an anti-semite and a holocaust denier without ANY evidence supporting those libellous smears. His University caved in under the pressure and he was suspended, then reinstated, then forced into early retirement. THIS is a recent example of how Jews and Jewish organisations suppress any critical reassessment of the H-narrative. Not only was Prof Hall punished for daring to ask for genuine, fair debate, but everyone else in academia was warned of the consequences if THEY dare do ANYTHING seen as undermining this protected pseudo-history. Only genuine โdeniersโ and liars would refuse to acknowledge the truth of this. Which demonstrates what Nessie is doing here. ๐
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Post by Nessie on May 30, 2022 15:21:23 GMT
You are just repeating assertions. I am trying to get some specifics from you, preferably accompanied by evidence. Regarding university history departments. Are they part of the deception, or have they been deceived?
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Post by been_there on May 30, 2022 16:19:02 GMT
You are just repeating assertions. I am trying to get some specifics from you, preferably accompanied by evidence. Regarding university history departments. Are they part of the deception, or have they been deceived? I have explained how I believe the mass-gassing โhoaxโ works. Which is the topic under discussion here. I have given numerous quotes from authoritative, qualified sources to support my viewpoint. You by contrast give NO evidence to support your idiotic, knee-jerk contradictions of it. You just give ignorant opinion, but presented as if fact. When you get exposed lying and bluffing you deceitfully try to change the subject. As we have all just witnessed. I have explained in numerous posts with numerous examples how consent is created, maintained and enforced. I can explain it again, but I canโt understand it for you. You have to do that by yourself. But you arenโt here to understand an honest, rival viewpoint, are you? You are not even here to have genuine discussion. Otherwise you would answer and explain why a non-racist, highly qualified, multi-lingual history academic chose to publish using the pseudonym โ Crowellโ. You dodged that question because YOU are a liar and here only to destroy meaningful discussion. Otherwise you would answer and explain why a non-racist, highly qualified, tenured Professor (Anthony Hall) was smeared, defamed, lied about and driven into early retirement for merely calling for open debate about the holocaust narrative. You dodge all this evidence already provided โ and endlessly ask for more โ BECAUSE you yourself are an example of โhow this hoax worksโ. It works by lies, obfuscation, defamation and prohibiting GENUINE, FAIR, HONEST, INFORMED DEBATE!!! YOU ironically are proving and demonstrating that! ๐ You are doing that by engaging in dishonest, ill-informed, closed-minded, unfair, insincere argument and repeated denial. Denial of basic human biology, simple laws of physics and basic principles of logic.
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Post by been_there on May 31, 2022 6:46:00 GMT
That few, if any academics will debate revisionists, looks like it could be due to their role in protecting a hoax. But that does not mean those academics are protecting a hoax...
Hereโs what I expect any HONEST person with questions โ or anyone who is having difficulty understanding โ to do: 1.) Re-read the previous replies again until they understand them. 2.) Read Noam Chomskyโs book โManufacturing consentโ that I previously referred to. 3. Watch again the extremely short Youtube clip of Chomsky discussing how consent is manufactured, that I made available for those with short attention-spans, or who are in denial and experiencing cognitive dissonance 4.) Seek out and watch the whole Marr interview with Chomsky, IF they canโt be bothered to educate themselves and actually read Chomskyโs book. 5.) Read up on the smear campaign of lies, character assassination and career destruction that Prof Hall was targeted with. Dishonest obfuscators I of course do not expect to do any of that. ๐ ______________________ The reality is that the vast majority of well-informed revisionists or their sympathisers have not been credibly shown to be motivated in their historical research by anti-semitism or any form of racial prejudice or hatred. Instead they have been motivated by a preference for TRUTH over self-interested LIES! Crowell (Alan B Kennady) is a good example. He wasn't interested at all in the Jewish aspect of the H-narrative, but only the technical and psychological aspects of the mass-gassing narrative. Yet still he wisely realised it was absolutely necessary to protect himself and his family from attack by Jews and Jewish organisations, so published his academic research using a pseudonym to maintain anonymity. So, why? A holyhoax true-believer needs to explain that! Professor Anthony Hall is yet another recent example of the dangers of an academic NOT protecting themself with anonymity. He never mentioned โthe holocaustโ in any of his classes. He only made a public call for open debate about the H-belief-system. He did that as a private person, not at the University. Canadian Jewish organisations then inaugurated a hate campaign of smears, lies and defamation against him. He has been called an anti-semite and a holocaust denier without ANY evidence supporting those libellous smears. His University caved in under the pressure and he was suspended, then reinstated, then forced into early retirement. THIS is a recent example of how Jews and Jewish organisations suppress any critical reassessment of the H-narrative. Not only was Prof Hall punished for daring to ask for genuine, fair debate, but everyone else in academia was warned of the consequences if THEY dare do ANYTHING seen as undermining this protected pseudo-history. Only genuine โdeniersโ and liars would refuse to acknowledge the truth of this. Which demonstrates what Nessie is doing here. ๐ Here is further detail of an example of how the H-narrative is protected from critical enquiry and reassessment. I.e. how the hoax aspects of it are maintained by deception, lies, misinformation and intimidation of anyone who dares question it. It is the RECENT example of the persecution of Professor Anthony Hall. Nessie replied to that example with this: โ...You repeatedly go on about academics, such as Hall, who have fallen foul of other academics and been condemned for their viewsโ.
This is another deception or miscomprehension. (Who knows which? Only the culprit themself does.) The facts being denied or deliberately obfuscated are twofold: 1.) the first is that Hall did NOT โfall foul of other academicsโ. He fell foul of a politician (Shannon Phillips, member of the Alberta Legislative Assembly). And she was put up to it by being fed lies from these organisations of Jews: Bโnai Brith, the Calgary Jewish Federation, and the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs. So, that misinformation from Nessie is either i.) bluff and bluster from wilful ignorance or ii.) a calculated deception. 2.) The second false claim from this incorrigible hoax-promoter is that Hall was NOT โcondemned for his viewsโ! He was condemned for no particular โviewsโ regarding the details of the holocaust narrative. He hasnโt expressed any. He was persecuted, by organisations of Jews (and a politician in their employ), for saying that all historical events should be open to revision. Those Jews spread hateful lies and defamation because an academic dared to post a video on the internet in which he called for โopen debateโ on the subject of a historical narrative that they insist is off-limits to NORMAL rules of historiography. For that he was defamed as a โholocaust denierโ and an โanti-semiteโ. But he NEVER โdeniedโ anything! The great irony is that โ...the point of โopen debateโ is to get more exactly at the truth, not to deny the reality of anythingโ. Which explains precisely why a hoax would need to use such illegal and immoral protection tactics to prevent there ever being โopen debateโ by qualified experts. Finally... Why wonโt Nessie admit these facts and this obvious corrupt misuse of laws against racism to persecute courageous academics and intimidate any others wanting more truth? Is Nessie hoaxed or part of the hoax? Who knows or cares. He is an insignificant example of the whole mass-deception. For more detail on the recent case of Prof Hall, here is a link
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Post by Nessie on May 31, 2022 13:46:02 GMT
It is ironic that my responses in this debate are being censored. The treatment that been-there complains about is how I am being treated.
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Post by been_there on May 31, 2022 14:48:07 GMT
It is ironic that my responses in this debate are being censored. The treatment that been-there complains about is how I am being treated. You arenโt being โcensoredโ. Are you really that stupid and deranged that you donโt even know what censorship is? You have been given your own section of the board to control as you choose!!! What sort of insanity would call that censorship? Your dishonest attempts at disruption are being just โmovedโ (not censored). You arenโt being โcensoredโ. You arenโt being forced out of a job. You arenโt being defamed with false, damaging accusations in newspapers. You arenโt going to be threatened with fines or imprisonment. No-one is intimidating you or your children with death-threats. Etc., etc. You are yet again making false accusations and lying. Which revealingly are exactly the same tactics used for maintaining the hoax-aspects of the Jewish experience during WW2. Oh, what a coincidence. ๐ Your question was answered twice by me. You ignored those answers and kept repeating the question. So I reported that disruptive behaviour. THAT is the dishonest, disruptive behaviour of someone wanting to perpetuate the hoax. Why you are doing that, only you can answer. You refuse to engage with the evidence I provide, or the factual examples I give. Just as you refuse to answer the repeated questions I put to you exposing your hypocrisy and deceit. Just as you have now avoided the exposure of your lies concealing that Prof Hall was persecuted, โcondemnedโ, defamed and lied about by JEWISH organisations. NOT by other academics as YOU falsely claimed. But you would avoid that, as THAT is how the hoax works! ๐
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Post by Nessie on May 31, 2022 15:16:05 GMT
Ho is asking specific questions about historians, universities and how the hoax works a "disruption"?
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Post by been_there on May 31, 2022 15:30:07 GMT
Ho is asking specific questions about historians, universities and how the hoax works a "disruption"? Because you ignored the answers given and just kept repeating the same question AS IF it hadnโt been answered twice. As has been previously explained. ๐ Did you watch the clip? Have you re-read those answers? Have you read up on Chomskyโs book? Q: and, why donโt you answer the questions put to you? A: because you arenโt interested in genuinely understanding a rival view or in genuine, open debate. EXACTLY as the purveyors of the holocaust industry are not interested in that. Q: Why? A: because THAT is how the hoax is maintained. Watch from 31:00 www.bitchute.com/video/bNmOZGlGnbCC/
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Post by Nessie on May 31, 2022 16:13:37 GMT
Ho is asking specific questions about historians, universities and how the hoax works a "disruption"? Because you ignored the answers given and just kept repeating the same question AS IF it hadnโt been answered twice. ... Your answers may be clear to you, they are not to me. To sum up what you have said; There you state that historians who do not follow the accepted narrative are attacked in various ways. What I would like to know is, where the attacks come from other historians, are they in on the hoax, or have they been fooled by it? You go to say; Do you mean that Luckert was already deceived as a child and when he became a historian and studied the Holocaust, he continued to be fooled by the deception? Is that just him, or does that argument apply to all historians? In this case, you have a university department who has been attacked and forced to toe the line. Does that mean you think they were stepped on as they failed in their jobs as promoters of the hoax, or they had shown signs of questioning the deception and so had to warned back into compliance?
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Post by been_there on May 31, 2022 17:26:06 GMT
Because you ignored the answers given and just kept repeating the same question AS IF it hadnโt been answered twice... Your answers may be clear to you, they are not to me. Then do as I suggested: re-read them until you understand them. Watch the clips. Read the books or read about the books mentioned. TRY AND UNDERSTAND! No-one can do that for you, YOU have to read listen to the material referenced. No-one else can understand for you. This same stuff is being explained now for the third time. And it is basic info. How do I know? Iโm not a mind reader. Did you watch the clip of Andrew Marr interviewing Noam Chomsky or not? (3rd time of asking). Did you watch the clip of Andrew Marr interviewing Noam Chomsky or not? (4th time of asking). Moronic rephrasing of the same question. ๐I presume it is some stupid form of attempted entrapment. I donโt take such idiotic questions as being serious. I think they represent attempts at disruption.
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Post by Nessie on May 31, 2022 18:46:12 GMT
I have not watched Marr interviewing Chomsky, because it is just part of your generalist allegation of a mass deception. What is clear from your refusal to answer my questions that are specific to historians and universities, is that you cannot say if they are also deceived, or if they are the deceivers. You cannot explain, in any detail, how the hoax works, when it comes to specifics, such as the role of historians.
It is highly unlikely that all those experts could be deceived. They have studied the history in detail, many have been to the key sites, the archives and interviewed witnesses. For them to be all fooled is a claim in the extreme. It is also highly unlikely that they are the deceivers, who knowingly promote a history that they know to be false. Those historians come from all sorts of backgrounds, with all sorts of political views, from many different countries and cultures. There is no reason why they would all come together to lie. The Arab universities, in particular, would never cooperate with such a hoax.
Your allegation of a mass delusion, is best explained by you being the one who is deluded.
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