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Post by Nessie on Dec 5, 2021 15:44:32 GMT
That is also impossible, as it would mean that every single journalist has lied about they saw in a hospital, and every single doctor and nurse who works in a hospital, all over the world, to be lying, including my friends and relatives who work in hospitals.
That you believe hoaxes of that scale are possible, is why you have fallen so easily for hoaxes about no gassings during the Holocaust and the virus.
There were plenty of journalists here in the states who reported that the hospital ship that was sent to New York to help out the "overwhelmed" hospitals didn't see one single patient. Nurses performing choreographed dance routines were shown on the TV. Lots of reports on the fake aspects of the so-called pandemic. Where do you come up with this bullshit about that would mean every single journalist has lied about what they saw in a hospital? Apparently you're talking about the "journalists" at the BBC and CNN.
There were various temporary hospitals set up in the UK, that did not see any patients, because the NHS coped and did not need them.
For the virus to be hoaxed, it would need everyone, journalists to doctors, who have been into the main hospitals, to have lied about them being packed with people sick and dying with Covid. That is ridiculous. That you think such Conspiracies are possible, explains why have fallen for the denier hoax. You genuinely believe such massive hoaxes are possible.
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Post by been_there on Dec 5, 2021 15:47:19 GMT
I only once met a person who is presented as a โholocaust survivorโ. He goes around the country giving lectures to school children and their parents. He said in the course of his lecture many things that he personally had no experience of but only learnt later AFTER the war, AFTER he achieved adulthood. Yet he presented them AS IF he was a personal eye-witness to those things.
And this is something that is permitted all around Europe and north America. It is not only permitted but is actively promoted.
This Jewish โchild survivorโ from Poland was only allowed there at the schools BECAUSE of the credibility that him having been in numerous concentration camps lended to the H mythology he was promoting BUT the very fact that he as a Polish Jewish child (he was eleven years old when the war ended) and BOTH his parents survived internment in numerous camps, is ACTUALLY PROOF OF THE EXACT OPPOSITE of what he was claiming to be an eyewitness too!!! The irony is humongous! It is huge!
He is ACTUALLY THE LIVING PROOF OF THE EXACT OPPOSITE of the alleged โfinal solutionโ mass-gassing genocide of ALL jews in death camps. The disconnect from obvious reality is a collossal one!
Here was an old man who as a very young child had been in Ravensbruck and other camps who we were โ and still are โ expected to believe unquestioningly. Yet he not only claimed the opposite of what he was the living proof of, but he ignorantly BELIEVED the illogicality of what he was telling! And presumably no-one had ever pointed this out to him. ...Until he came to my town and gave his usual lecture. As I asked him a rather basic and reasonable question publicly. At the end of his talk, when he invited questions from the audience, I respectfully asked him something presumably no-one had dared to ask him before (such is the irrational โEmperorโs-new-clothesโ reverence that everyone learns to adopt). I asked him how he explained the indisputable fact that he himself as a small child HAD survived internment in numerous camps, IF, as he claimed, there had been a policy to kill ALL Jews, especially ones who could not work. He got angry and with visible outrage told me the numbers of Jews living in Poland before the war and then the diminished numbers still living there AFTER the war: illogically implying that all those Jews no longer there after the war had been gassed/mass-murdered. The convenor of the lecture then stood up and ended the meeting saying the โsurvivorโ was probably tired and needed to rest before travelling home. So I had no opportunity to point out the OBVIOUS FACT to him that he himself and his parents were Polish Jews who survived internment AND WERE NO LONGER LIVING IN POLAND!!!! So here again he himself and his parents were living examples of the opposite of the narrative he was promoting. He is a living example of why the numbers of Jews in Poland were diminished!
Perhaps the teacher who abruptly ended the meeting on some level knew that what he was saying and claiming did not make logical sense and that if the conversation had been allowed to continue others would realise that fact.
This is just one example of someone spreading a mythology, believing it, and promoting it. Paul Rassanier famously made it a point to interview ANYONE who claimed to be an eye-witness to a mass gassing. And he never met a single credible Jewish witness. Not a single one. And this was in the 1940s and 50s!!
Even intelligent, honest, adult Jews who had themselves been interned in camps admitted most of the claims to being eye-witnesses were bogus. Samuel Gringauz being one who bravely put that down in writing and added his name to it.
So the idea that because many hundreds of thousands of people who were โthereโ and later believed the rumours, the deliberate psy-op misinformation and the post-war atrocity propaganda, does not mean they are all deliberately and consciously participating in a total โhoaxโ. That is an incredibly stupid miscomprehension of this example of basic human psychology.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Dec 5, 2021 16:56:13 GMT
This is the sum evidence of a Holocaust. The Russians had a team of 7 million to find these 130 people with divergent stories.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 5, 2021 17:10:43 GMT
This is the sum evidence of a Holocaust. The Russians had a team of 7 million to find these 130 people with divergent stories.
1 - if the "Russians" had 7 million people to run the Holocaust hoax, how come they still failed to manage the Katyn hoax?
2 - a team of 7 million to run a hoax is in itself impossible. That means 7 million people have had to keep quiet and be successful.
3 - if it was a hoax, why not have far more witnesses who are coached to be more credible?
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Dec 5, 2021 17:35:38 GMT
1 - if the "Russians" had 7 million people to run the Holocaust hoax, how come they still failed to manage the Katyn hoax?
2 - a team of 7 million to run a hoax is in itself impossible. That means 7 million people have had to keep quiet and be successful.
3 - if it was a hoax, why not have far more witnesses who are coached to be more credible?
The Katyn hoax was kept secret for over 40 years. Soviets were great at keeping secrets. The art of a great lie is not to over do it.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 5, 2021 18:04:28 GMT
1 - if the "Russians" had 7 million people to run the Holocaust hoax, how come they still failed to manage the Katyn hoax?
2 - a team of 7 million to run a hoax is in itself impossible. That means 7 million people have had to keep quiet and be successful.
3 - if it was a hoax, why not have far more witnesses who are coached to be more credible?
The Katyn hoax was kept secret for over 40 years. Soviets were great at keeping secrets. The art of a great lie is not to over do it. You have dodged my questions.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Dec 5, 2021 18:05:39 GMT
The Russians are still hoaxing it.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 5, 2021 19:29:29 GMT
The Russians are still hoaxing it.
Why and how?
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 5, 2021 20:08:57 GMT
The Soviets kept the fiction of Katyn until the communist government fell apart. Lots of communist projects fell apart at that time. Ever see any of the photos of Soviet submarines rotting away?
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Post by Nessie on Dec 6, 2021 11:01:13 GMT
The Soviets kept the fiction of Katyn until the communist government fell apart. Lots of communist projects fell apart at that time. Ever see any of the photos of Soviet submarines rotting away? It is impossible for the SU to have kept a Holocaust hoax going from the first Polish reports in 1942, to nowadays.
There is also no reason why the SU needed such a hoax. The Nazis were always going to be the bad guys anyway. Nazism was always going to end with the end of the war, the west would not tolerate it in West Germany and the Soviets in East Germany.
The hoax could not just be run by the Soviets. It also needed cooperation of other countries, for example the Dutch Government and their claims that they lost around 70% of their Jewish population, many to Sobibor. Why would the various democratic Dutch Governments cooperate with the Soviets, in a hoax to fool the Dutch people?
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 6, 2021 13:16:46 GMT
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Until the early 70s there wasn't any holyhoax. Just some atrocities and the four million supposedly killed at Auschwitz. Lots of countries wanted to cover up their own atrocities such as the firebombing air raids. Jews wanted revenge on the Germans for booting their bankers out of Germany and, of course, reparations. Sell your, "It was just the Soviets" down the street.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 6, 2021 15:13:38 GMT
Nessie wrote: Until the early 70s there wasn't any holyhoax. That the Nazis had been registering, imprisoning and murdering Jews in gas chambers and mass shootings, as part of a plan to rid occupied Europe of Jews, was known from before the end of the war. Initially it was referred to as a genocide, and the Holocaust was, and still is, largely known by Jews as the destruction or Shoah. The Holocaust is the most modern term and now most widely used. Not true. The Auschwitz, other camp trials, Einsatzgruppen and trials of individual senior Nazis began in the 1940s. The AR camp trials began in the late 1950s. I am not arguing the Soviets ran the hoax, I am arguing against it. I am also arguing that it is not a Jewish run hoax. It is too big a hoax for any group to run. Only someone with a predilection to believing in hoaxes and conspiracies will fall for the claim of the Holocaust was hoaxed.
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 6, 2021 15:41:52 GMT
Nessie tries to spread the official bullshit. Eeeevul Narzis, Jews, gas chambers, etc. Right, there's no business like shoah business and the term, "holocaust" wasn't introduced until the early 70s. Until the Jews invented the holyhoax there was just the "genocide", another made up word by a Jew and the "death camp" alleged atrocities. The Soviets invented the Katyn claim along with their "death camp" tales and it was picked up by the Jews who ran with it. The marsupial escapades at Nuremberg were mostly a Soviet and Jew show. Jackson even wrote a letter complaining about the number of Jews in the American delegation. Not that he objected to Jews but was worried about the optics and how it would look like Jews taking their revenge on the Germans. Well, he was right about that.
Nessie seems to be arguing that the holyhoax is too big to fail. He should take a look around the internet. Plenty of sites where the holyhoax is a matter of derision and jokes. Nessie can claim that the witnesses were just exaggerating but essentially told the truth but rational people find their crude lies to be laughable.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 6, 2021 16:42:49 GMT
For there to have been a hoax, needs the cooperation of the c2.5 million Jews you claim were not gassed, to pretend they were and not return home to claim their home, businesses and jobs. How were the 34,000 Dutch Jews sent from Westerbork to Sobibor in 1943, persuaded to pretend they were gassed there? Did the Nazis great them and tell them they were now part of a hoax, that was designed to make the Nazis look very bad? Or, were they all contacted at the end of the war and told not to return to the Netherlands, they were to be resettled elsewhere and they were to keep quiet about really happened at Sobibor?
You have clearly not thought through how the hoax could have worked.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 6, 2021 17:56:23 GMT
You clearly have your head up your arse. Making it illegal to question the hoax isn't the same as the hoax being the truth. I have never claimed otherwise. Strawman.
Now, who convinced the Dutch Jews sent to Sobibor to go along with the hoax?
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