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Post by Agandaur on Dec 3, 2021 8:35:13 GMT
So, how does this "hoax" work, anyway? Of course no one is saying it was a hoax, though the truth is a matter of suppression and intrigue by the former Soviet States; political expediency which suited some Jews to grasp onto. There were war crimes and criminal activity of neglect which resulted in a similar outcome. To the dead, the name calling serves little purpose. The neglect in most instances were due to the situations of war, in a hostile environment where there were no winners. The real issues are off the table for many in the 'big top'; they are content in their 'fireside complacency' thinking they know.
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Post by mrolonzo on Dec 4, 2021 17:59:55 GMT
So, how does this "hoax" work, anyway? Of course no one is saying it was a hoax, though the truth is a matter of suppression and intrigue by the former Soviet States; political expediency which suited some Jews to grasp onto. There were war crimes and criminal activity of neglect which resulted in a similar outcome. To the dead, the name calling serves little purpose. The neglect in most instances were due to the situations of war, in a hostile environment where there were no winners. The real issues are off the table for many in the 'big top'; they are content in their 'fireside complacency' thinking they know. The hoax works by the commission of rumours into black war time propaganda, which is perpetuated by ethnic interest groups and state actors post war to justify their impositions.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 4, 2021 20:21:00 GMT
For the "hoax" to have worked requires the cooperation of 1 - c130 Nazi and Jewish people to claim they worked at the various gas chambers and then appear at trials and give interviews to various journalists, without ever slipping up and giving the game away. 2 - for the c2.5 million people who were sent to the various AR camps, Chelmno and A-B Kremas and who saw what did happen inside those places to ALL keep quiet and lie by omission and not say what really did happen, to anyone, historians, journalists, relatives, anyone. 3 - for every historian who has published their study of what happened in those places, to have either been fooled or be part of the hoax. 4 - for every journalist who has published their study of what happened in those places, to have either been fooled or be part of the hoax. 5 - for every archaeologist who has published their study of what happened in those places, to have either been fooled or be part of the hoax. 6 - for every lawyer who has worked on a Holocaust trial, to have either been fooled or be part of the hoax. 7 - for all the various European governments to have cooperated and covered up the survival of c2.5 million people.
8 - for all the soldiers who liberated camps or ghettos full of Jews, to keep quiet about what they saw
That is too complicated and too incredible to have happened. You may as well argue a boy can cycle a bike to the moon, it is so ridiculous.
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Post by mrolonzo on Dec 4, 2021 22:21:38 GMT
For the "hoax" to have worked requires the cooperation of 1 - c130 Nazi and Jewish people to claim they worked at the various gas chambers and then appear at trials and give interviews to various journalists, without ever slipping up and giving the game away. 2 - for the c2.5 million people who were sent to the various AR camps, Chelmno and A-B Kremas and who saw what did happen inside those places to ALL keep quiet and lie by omission and not say what really did happen, to anyone, historians, journalists, relatives, anyone. 3 - for every historian who has published their study of what happened in those places, to have either been fooled or be part of the hoax. 4 - for every journalist who has published their study of what happened in those places, to have either been fooled or be part of the hoax. 5 - for every archaeologist who has published their study of what happened in those places, to have either been fooled or be part of the hoax. 6 - for every lawyer who has worked on a Holocaust trial, to have either been fooled or be part of the hoax. 7 - for all the various European governments to have cooperated and covered up the survival of c2.5 million people.
8 - for all the soldiers who liberated camps or ghettos full of Jews, to keep quiet about what they saw
That is too complicated and too incredible to have happened. You may as well argue a boy can cycle a bike to the moon, it is so ridiculous. All easily plausible once people start automatically assuming the rumours and initial propaganda is true.
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 5, 2021 1:23:32 GMT
We have from Jeff of the many numbers saying, "I started thinking; the magnitude of trying something like this surprised me" and Nessie chiming in with, "For the "hoax" to have worked requires the cooperation of...". Nessie then gives his laundry list. To see how people can be stampeded into believing the most egregious bullshit look no further than the current Covid 19 scamdemic.
It began with people supposedly dropping dead in the streets as was shown in video's from China. People getting their apartments welded shut to enforce quarantines. The "warp speed" search for a vaccines and their use under EUA rules. All of the fake news stories about hospitals being "overwhelmed" with people lining up to get what became known as a "clot shot". We've ended up with countries like England, Ireland and Israel being close to 100% "fully vaccinated". We now have young athletes and otherwise healthy people complaining of heart problems or just dropping dead from their usual exertions.
Meanwhile, the "delta variant" and now the "omicron variant" are being touted as the reason for quarterly "booster shots" and the Klowns and Nessie are here yapping on about how the holyhoax is "too big" to be a hoax". Meanwhile, the Health Minister in Britain is soothing the jabbed with the claim that the increase in heart problems is the result of, "Post Pandemic Stress Disorder".
You betcha', Nessie, tell us all about how the holyhoax is to big to be sold to the general public. Pharma companies have made billions from the scamdemic with the connivance of governments and their functionaries like Fauci. Jews have made billions off of the Germans and the holyhoax with the connivance of governments who have outlawed any questioning of the holyhoax. Human stupidity and gullibility are indeed, infinite.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 5, 2021 9:04:34 GMT
... All of the fake news stories about hospitals being "overwhelmed" .... That is also impossible, as it would mean that every single journalist has lied about they saw in a hospital, and every single doctor and nurse who works in a hospital, all over the world, to be lying, including my friends and relatives who work in hospitals.
That you believe hoaxes of that scale are possible, is why you have fallen so easily for hoaxes about no gassings during the Holocaust and the virus.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 5, 2021 9:06:02 GMT
For the "hoax" to have worked requires the cooperation of 1 - c130 Nazi and Jewish people to claim they worked at the various gas chambers and then appear at trials and give interviews to various journalists, without ever slipping up and giving the game away. 2 - for the c2.5 million people who were sent to the various AR camps, Chelmno and A-B Kremas and who saw what did happen inside those places to ALL keep quiet and lie by omission and not say what really did happen, to anyone, historians, journalists, relatives, anyone. 3 - for every historian who has published their study of what happened in those places, to have either been fooled or be part of the hoax. 4 - for every journalist who has published their study of what happened in those places, to have either been fooled or be part of the hoax. 5 - for every archaeologist who has published their study of what happened in those places, to have either been fooled or be part of the hoax. 6 - for every lawyer who has worked on a Holocaust trial, to have either been fooled or be part of the hoax. 7 - for all the various European governments to have cooperated and covered up the survival of c2.5 million people.
8 - for all the soldiers who liberated camps or ghettos full of Jews, to keep quiet about what they saw
That is too complicated and too incredible to have happened. You may as well argue a boy can cycle a bike to the moon, it is so ridiculous. All easily plausible once people start automatically assuming the rumours and initial propaganda is true. It is not plausible that every single person who has investigated the Holocaust claims have assumed the rumours were true. You have ignored that it is not possible c2.5 million kept quiet when they found out they had supposedly been gassed.
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Post by Sandhurst on Dec 5, 2021 9:15:42 GMT
It is not plausible that every single person who has investigated the Holocaust claims have assumed the rumours were true. You have ignored that it is not possible c2.5 million kept quiet when they found out they had supposedly been gassed. I think the holocaust is more than "gassing" people. Most like the alleged victims are statistical phantoms.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 5, 2021 9:41:20 GMT
The Netherlands lost a huge proportion of its Jewish population. Some 34,000 were sent to Sobibor. At what point did those people find out they were part of a hoax and had to keep quiet that they were not gassed at Sobibor?
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Post by Sandhurst on Dec 5, 2021 9:49:07 GMT
The Netherlands lost a huge proportion of its Jewish population. Some 34,000 were sent to Sobibor. At what point did those people find out they were part of a hoax and had to keep quiet that they were not gassed at Sobibor? I know how much you desire "der Juden" to be gassed but take time to read other information. e.g Mezaparks Seems many Dutch Jews and other Dutch workers went to the Baltic states.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 5, 2021 9:51:54 GMT
The Dutch government and multiple historians report that c34,000 Dutch Jews were sent to Sobibor and gassed. At what point were those Jews informed they were part of a hoax and they had to hide and not admit what really happened to them at Sobibor?
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Dec 5, 2021 9:55:55 GMT
The Dutch government and multiple historians report that c34,000 Dutch Jews were sent to Sobibor and gassed. At what point were those Jews informed they were part of a hoax and they had to hide and not admit what really happened to them at Sobibor? The Dutch Govt and the multiple historians have assumed the worst. How can non victims be a part of a hoax? It was only until the 1960s that the rumors of mass extermination appeared and publicized.
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 5, 2021 11:56:30 GMT
... All of the fake news stories about hospitals being "overwhelmed" .... That is also impossible, as it would mean that every single journalist has lied about they saw in a hospital, and every single doctor and nurse who works in a hospital, all over the world, to be lying, including my friends and relatives who work in hospitals.
That you believe hoaxes of that scale are possible, is why you have fallen so easily for hoaxes about no gassings during the Holocaust and the virus.
There were plenty of journalists here in the states who reported that the hospital ship that was sent to New York to help out the "overwhelmed" hospitals didn't see one single patient. Nurses performing choreographed dance routines were shown on the TV. Lots of reports on the fake aspects of the so-called pandemic. Where do you come up with this bullshit about that would mean every single journalist has lied about what they saw in a hospital? Apparently you're talking about the "journalists" at the BBC and CNN.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 5, 2021 15:40:06 GMT
The Dutch government and multiple historians report that c34,000 Dutch Jews were sent to Sobibor and gassed. At what point were those Jews informed they were part of a hoax and they had to hide and not admit what really happened to them at Sobibor? The Dutch Govt and the multiple historians have assumed the worst. How can non victims be a part of a hoax? It was only until the 1960s that the rumors of mass extermination appeared and publicized. You are dodging my question. When were the c34,000 Dutch Jews sent to Sobibor told that they were part of a hoax and they had to keep quiet, pretend they had been gassed and not return to the Netherlands?
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