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Post by Nessie on Nov 28, 2021 20:34:42 GMT
Why are revisionists obsessed with proving a negative? They spend 99% of their time trying to prove there were no mass gassings. Why not be more constructive and find the evidence to prove what did happen inside the AR camps and A-B Kremas?
A prime example of a revisionist obsession, is Yankel Wiernik. Post after post after post is spent on why he is not believed. What is the point in that? If you don't believe him, why obsess about him? It's not as if not believing him somehow means no gassings happened at TII.
There have been attempts to prove what did happen instead of gassings. For example, Eric Hunt and his videos claiming the AR camps were transit camps, concentrating on TII. Though he has since admitted he was wrong. Mattogno and Faurisson have also suggested the same, but the evidence they have presented is very poor. Faurisson found two witnesses, but both of them spoke about mass transports to TII and nothing about mass departures. Mattogno has spent much of his time trying to argue there cannot have been gassings and cremations, without finding any evidence as to what did happen, which is remarkable, since he has spent so much time in various archives.
The more interesting debates are when revisionists come forward with what they claim is evidence as to what did happen, such as Faurisson and his two witnesses, or when Prudent regret tried to argue the AR camps were purely for sorting property.
So, how about the posters here give it a go? Put together an evidenced case as to what did happen, not what did not happen.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Nov 28, 2021 21:39:06 GMT
Who are these revisionists? It seems that anyone who disagrees with Nessie is a "revisionist" who he then wraps up in toilet paper, places them in a box next to his paper mache ovens and gas chambers; a bit of flatulence and hot air is possibly provided to give olfactory authenticity to his model.
Many people have already dismissed the gassing claims as fraudulent; the dissident poster Nessie has failed to convince many people of their reality. Some people find them rather uninteresting with undue importance placed. Real stories are more interesting than fabrications.
Some of us are interested in the details of history, such as cartography and anomalies; whether someone determines that places like Birkenau or AR camps were used for nefarious purposes or just for transit is their prerogative. No one is trying to say that AR camps were transit camps purely because North or South on a map is in the wrong direction.
An interest in the details is simply that; parts of the anomalies of documents that are found. The bigger picture can be discussed later if necessary.
It seems it is only Nessie that is preoccupied with gassing and mass murder. Because of this he appears to be unable to look outside the limited confined of this narrative, which has glaring deficiencies. By concentrating on gassing etc, the misery of real people, Dutch, Jews and Gypsies is over looked in places like Kaiserwald.
Nessie appears to have a very simplistic child like view of this era, a view often taught to school children. Fake witnesses are presented to kids as though what they say is fact. Unscientific claims are made which appear more magical than real.
An analogy is presenting "Lord of the Rings" as a factual historical text on medieval England, Europe, beer swilling cultures eating beef. Fantasy is fantasy.
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Post by Nessie on Nov 29, 2021 9:00:56 GMT
I use the term revisionist, because on old RODOH, there was a huge fuss made about the use of the word denier. Revising history to deny mass gassings, makes the terms revisionist and denier applicable to most who post here and when claim there were no gassings.
Looking for "anomalies" is the obsession with proving a negative I referred to in the OP. Studying the evidence to try and prove what did not happen, is a very odd way to study history.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Nov 29, 2021 17:52:03 GMT
I use the term revisionist, because on old RODOH, there was a huge fuss made about the use of the word denier. Revising history to deny mass gassings, makes the terms revisionist and denier applicable to most who post here and when claim there were no gassings. Looking for "anomalies" is the obsession with proving a negative I referred to in the OP. Studying the evidence to try and prove what did not happen, is a very odd way to study history. You use the word revisionist as a smug pejorative. However, the concept is only in your own head, nothing to do with reality. It is only you who is concerned with mass gassing events. You have failed to establish the reality of this apart from a few eye witnesses who lack integrity. We will study what we wish for our own purposes. You keep on looking for vapors in the sky. |
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Post by Nessie on Nov 29, 2021 18:01:47 GMT
I use the term revisionist, because on old RODOH, there was a huge fuss made about the use of the word denier. Revising history to deny mass gassings, makes the terms revisionist and denier applicable to most who post here and when claim there were no gassings. Looking for "anomalies" is the obsession with proving a negative I referred to in the OP. Studying the evidence to try and prove what did not happen, is a very odd way to study history. You use the word revisionist as a smug pejorative. However, the concept is only in your own head, nothing to do with reality. It is only you who is concerned with mass gassing events. You have failed to establish the reality of this apart from a few eye witnesses who lack integrity. We will study what we wish for our own purposes. You keep on looking for vapors in the sky. You are correct that I think those who claim no Holocaust are contemptible. They defy the evidence and demand belief in what is not evidenced to have happened, to serve what is clearly an anti-Semitic agenda. Holocaust denial is attractive to conspiracy theorists and you have proved my point, you are not interested in finding out what did happen. |
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Nov 29, 2021 18:16:01 GMT
You are correct that I think those who claim no Holocaust are contemptible. They defy the evidence and demand belief in what is not evidenced to have happened, to serve what is clearly an anti-Semitic agenda. Holocaust denial is attractive to conspiracy theorists and you have proved my point, you are not interested in finding out what did happen. are not interested in finding out what happened as from your perspective you already know. The only reason why you come here is to proselytize. You do not come here to discuss anomalies, or the plight of Jews in places like Kaiswerwald, Bobruysk, Soviet Transports or the issue of Corfu jews. You are not interested in the plight of the Roma people. Your self serving bias is evident in every phrase written. For some reason you seem to think that Jews have a natural affinity for Hydrogen Cyanide and Carbon Monoxide. Take Jews out of the equation and replace them with say "Martians" the issues would still be the same. |
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Post by Nessie on Nov 29, 2021 19:54:46 GMT
I come here to challenge the claims of no mass gassings at the AR camps and A-B Kremas. Denial, revisionism, whatever it is called, is obsessed with trying to prove a negative.
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Post by Turnagain on Nov 30, 2021 0:50:57 GMT
Nessie claims that Jews were gassed at Auschwitz with cyanide and at the AR camps with CO. At Treblinka it's alleged by some that Jews were also killed with steam and vacuum. He then claims that anyone who debunks these lies is "obsessed with proving a negative".
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Post by Sandhurst on Nov 30, 2021 1:51:04 GMT
Nessie claims that Jews were gassed at Auschwitz with cyanide and at the AR camps with CO. At Treblinka it's alleged by some that Jews were also killed with steam and vacuum. He then claims that anyone who debunks these lies is "obsessed with proving a negative". Some were also gassed in transit (deliberately) using a chlorine compound; they all died so there were no witnesses.  Belzec had the electrocution method as well as "death by train". The death by scaffold: Of course this was not mass murder but play fun for the evil Germans. Then there was death by the "titty cut" We can request that "Turnagain" be more accepting of eye witness stories unless there is evidence to something else happening.  |
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Post by Turnagain on Nov 30, 2021 2:53:39 GMT
LOL! Love the graphic.
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Post by Nessie on Nov 30, 2021 12:12:18 GMT
Nessie claims that Jews were gassed at Auschwitz with cyanide and at the AR camps with CO. At Treblinka it's alleged by some that Jews were also killed with steam and vacuum. He then claims that anyone who debunks these lies is "obsessed with proving a negative". That is because those obsessed with disproving gassings, run away from evidencing what did happen. You hate debating what did happen inside TII, your favourite topic. You are far happier slagging off the witnesses and archaeologists and then claiming, no gassings!
When I pin you down on evidence as to what did happen, your star witnesses are Schwartz and Kulawy, who, as has been shown, cannot be proved to have been to TII and who think gassings took place there. No wonder you want to avoid discussing your supposed evidence as to what did happen!
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Nov 30, 2021 18:16:46 GMT
No wonder you want to avoid discussing your supposed evidence as to what did happen! The evidence this poster has presented is very weak and far from compelling. Nothing happened which is the point. If Nessie can provide the exact times and dates of the gassing events with victim names, then perhaps evidence can be gathered showing they were having cups of tea, with biscuits, |
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Post by Turnagain on Nov 30, 2021 18:39:51 GMT
Nessie claims that Jews were gassed at Auschwitz with cyanide and at the AR camps with CO. At Treblinka it's alleged by some that Jews were also killed with steam and vacuum. He then claims that anyone who debunks these lies is "obsessed with proving a negative". That is because those obsessed with disproving gassings, run away from evidencing what did happen. You hate debating what did happen inside TII, your favourite topic. You are far happier slagging off the witnesses and archaeologists and then claiming, no gassings!
When I pin you down on evidence as to what did happen, your star witnesses are Schwartz and Kulawy, who, as has been shown, cannot be proved to have been to TII and who think gassings took place there. No wonder you want to avoid discussing your supposed evidence as to what did happen!
Nessie is now up to two "star witnesses". They are no more "stars" than any of the other witnesses who gave testimony in Hunt's video. Nessie seems to forget or is just plain desperate to get away from the fact that nobody was killed with gas, steam or vacuum at Treblinka. His "star witnesses", Wiernik and Rajchman, have been totally debunked. No matter how much Nessie squeaks about "exaggerations", "hyperbole", and all the rest of his nonsense it remains for all to see that both Wiernik and Rajchman are lying through their teeth about what they claimed to have witnessed at Treblinka. They have NO, zip, zero, nada credibility yet Nessie continues to claim that they revealed some essential truth about Treblinka. They didn't.
Nessie tries to deflect the debate to the question of what actually happened at Treblinka if it wasn't an extermination facility. It was probably a transit camp or fulfilled some other function but there's NO debate about it being an extermination facility. That's been shown and the official narrative has been debunked. The murder and disposal of the cadavers of hundreds of thousands Jews by the methods described by the witnesses is ludicrous. Nessie's weak suck excuses for the lies of the hoax witnesses are equally ludicrous.
If Nessie wants to prove that Treblinka was an extermination facility he needs to come up with something new. Some new proof of the cremains, the graves or the gas chamber. So far he's come up short in every department. Until then I'll cheerfully debunk (slag off) his witnesses, archaeologists and pseudo-historians.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Nov 30, 2021 19:09:37 GMT
If Nessie wants to prove that Treblinka was an extermination facility he needs to come up with something new. Some new proof of the cremains, the graves or the gas chamber. So far he's come up short in every department. Until then I'll cheerfully debunk (slag off) his witnesses, archaeologists and pseudo-historians. He has been rehashing the old tales now for a considerable period of time. He thinks that regurgitating the rumination makes it more palatable.  . Allegedly 10k people died at TI; we know many were shot (Olszuk), mass graves have been found. Nessie has little concerns for these poor victims (perhaps they deserved it) or any sympathies for the poor guards forced to work in such a horrid place (in winter). Nessie has no interest in the transports too and from this camp, what happened to the rocks, the equipment (draglines), the policing in the area or the execution center at Czerony Bor. His only interest are the incredible lies told by a few terrorists who murdered the guards, resulting in hundreds of his countrymen being shot. He has no interest in the euthanasia program that occurred in all camps and the trained personnel sent their for this purpose. He is here to proselytize, a mission for some unknown god: Isis, Ra or El will do. He does not discuss the victims of the uprising, the methods of escape all of which are interesting and worthy of a film. Instead he makes up excuses why a person shot is not pierced by the projectile, without considering the person is lying. |
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Post by Nessie on Nov 30, 2021 19:10:17 GMT
That is because those obsessed with disproving gassings, run away from evidencing what did happen. You hate debating what did happen inside TII, your favourite topic. You are far happier slagging off the witnesses and archaeologists and then claiming, no gassings!
When I pin you down on evidence as to what did happen, your star witnesses are Schwartz and Kulawy, who, as has been shown, cannot be proved to have been to TII and who think gassings took place there. No wonder you want to avoid discussing your supposed evidence as to what did happen!
Nessie is now up to two "star witnesses". They are no more "stars" than any of the other witnesses who gave testimony in Hunt's video. Nessie seems to forget or is just plain desperate to get away from the fact that nobody was killed with gas, steam or vacuum at Treblinka. His "star witnesses", Wiernik and Rajchman, have been totally debunked. No matter how much Nessie squeaks about "exaggerations", "hyperbole", and all the rest of his nonsense it remains for all to see that both Wiernik and Rajchman are lying through their teeth about what they claimed to have witnessed at Treblinka. They have NO, zip, zero, nada credibility yet Nessie continues to claim that they revealed some essential truth about Treblinka. They didn't.
Nessie tries to deflect the debate to the question of what actually happened at Treblinka if it wasn't an extermination facility. It was probably a transit camp or fulfilled some other function but there's NO debate about it being an extermination facility. That's been shown and the official narrative has been debunked. The murder and disposal of the cadavers of hundreds of thousands Jews by the methods described by the witnesses is ludicrous. Nessie's weak suck excuses for the lies of the hoax witnesses are equally ludicrous.
If Nessie wants to prove that Treblinka was an extermination facility he needs to come up with something new. Some new proof of the cremains, the graves or the gas chamber. So far he's come up short in every department. Until then I'll cheerfully debunk (slag off) his witnesses, archaeologists and pseudo-historians.
Again, you are proving my point is correct. You are obsessed with denying what is evidenced, to claim it did not happen. You are trying constantly to prove a negative, rather than prove what did happen. Why is that? |
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