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Post by Nazgรปl on Dec 24, 2021 21:24:59 GMT
The light sentences were due to many of those who worked in the West German criminal justice system were ex Nazis and sympathetic to the claims of those accused that they were doing what was, at that time lawful, they had no choice and there was a war ongoing. Interestingly in the early 1950s, a survey found that just 5% of Germans admitted feeling โguiltyโ toward Jews, and only 29% agreed that Germany owed restitution to the Jewish people. Perhaps the judges were a part of the 95% that felt no guilt. Most likely scenario is that the judges were well aware that the defendants were "scapegoats",an example had to be made. Another likelihood is the formulation of statements which would involve suggestions of "remorse"; admitting gassing etc. Contrition goes a long way for early parole release in all societies. I am sure they would have hated to end up in Spandau like Heร until they rotted. I do believe you think this dribble is true. ๐คค No one was de nazified. |
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 24, 2021 21:54:39 GMT
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You have no way of knowing that the judges were sympathetic ex-National Socialists or if the defendants were given weak sentences in return for guilty pleas. You're sweeping statement shows your bias and preconceived notions and the denial of any other explanations.
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 26, 2021 12:54:27 GMT
Moving my replies to other parts of the forum, to make it appear that your unevidenced claims are not even being challenged, is very dishonest. You have evidence that the courts were all ex-National Socialists and sympathetic to the German defendants? Well, don't be shy about it, let's see what ya' got. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 26, 2021 14:32:42 GMT
Moving my replies to other parts of the forum, to make it appear that your unevidenced claims are not even being challenged, is very dishonest. You have evidence that the courts were all ex-National Socialists and sympathetic to the German defendants? Well, don't be shy about it, let's see what ya' got. You are exaggerating the claim I made, which in itself was hyperbole to make a point. I do not have a list of who was who for each West German trial and if they had been members of the Nazis, or sympathetic and collaborated with them. But, considering the support the Nazs had, and the result of the trials, with many acquittals and light sentences, there is no doubt that your claims they were coerced or somehow manipulated into confessing to what happened, is nonsense. It is certainly unevidenced. |
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Post by Venatแปr on Dec 26, 2021 17:57:34 GMT
considering the support the Nazs had, and the result of the trials, with many acquittals and light sentences, there is no doubt that your claims they were coerced or somehow manipulated into confessing to what happened, is nonsense. It is certainly unevidenced. Surprising what people say when they wish to appear good to the parole board. Contrition is a powerful tool. |
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 27, 2021 16:45:40 GMT
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No, it's not a question of whether or not the Germans would do such a thing. It's the [poster]-toonz methods described by the alleged eyewitnesses that are unbelievable. The question of whether or not the Germans were willing to kill the Jews under their control doesn't arise. Stalin and Mao killed over 100 million of their own people so if the Germans chose to kill a few million Jews it would be negligible.
Your claim that there's independent sources that confirm the fantasies of the alleged witnesses is bull[excrement]. No matter what you say, the mass graves that are claimed for Treblinka couldn't just shrink or disappear. Neither could the 2,000-2,500 TONS of human cremains. Neither can any of the other impossibilities claimed for Treblinka be rationally explained. Your half-assed excuses for the obvious liars don't obtain. If it was impossible IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 27, 2021 16:58:43 GMT
Nessie wrote: No, it's not a question of whether or not the Germans would do such a thing. It's the [poster]-toonz methods described by the alleged eyewitnesses that are unbelievable. The question of whether or not the Germans were willing to kill the Jews under their control doesn't arise. Stalin and Mao killed over 100 million of their own people so if the Germans chose to kill a few million Jews it would be negligible. Your claim that there's independent sources that confirm the fantasies of the alleged witnesses is bull[excrement]. No matter what you say, the mass graves that are claimed for Treblinka couldn't just shrink or disappear. Neither could the 2,000-2,500 TONS of human cremains. Neither can any of the other impossibilities claimed for Treblinka be rationally explained. Your half-assed excuses for the obvious liars don't obtain. If it was impossible IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
You have misrepresented the physical evidence from TII, time and time again. If you were honest about the scale of ground disturbances reported in 1945, which are backed up by photos and the size of ground disturbances reported by geophysical surveys around the memorial in 2014, you would know that the witness claims are corroborated.
You take witnesses literally and assume mistakes are lies, which no historian or lawyer would do. What is claimed, is not impossible, it was well within German engineering and construction capabilities during the war.
It does not matter what you think is possible. What matters is what is evidenced.
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Post by Venatแปr on Dec 27, 2021 17:26:12 GMT
It does not matter what you think is possible. What matters is what is evidenced. Using lies as evidence and other fabrications puts your credibility on very shaky grounds. |
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 27, 2021 17:26:50 GMT
Your excuses for the fantasies and lies of your alleged witnesses are a FAIL, Nessie. Your claims of "exaggerations", "hyperbole" etc. are just plain bull[excrement]. All of your claims of being an investigator who knows how witnesses behave are just a smokescreen for holyhoax lies. Your claim of corroborating evidence is bull[excrement].
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Post by Nessie on Dec 27, 2021 18:03:24 GMT
Your excuses for the fantasies and lies of your alleged witnesses are a FAIL, Nessie. Your claims of "exaggerations", "hyperbole" etc. are just plain bull[excrement]. All of your claims of being an investigator who knows how witnesses behave are just a smokescreen for holyhoax lies. Your claim of corroborating evidence is bull[excrement]. Your repeated, unevidenced assertions are dismissed. Come back when you have a credible methodology for assessing witnesses and you can prove, with evidence, that every single witness lied. |
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