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Post by Nessie on Dec 6, 2021 15:20:27 GMT
Nessie wrote: You're a lying POS, Nessie. Are you dropping Schwartz as one of your witnesses to TII as a transit camp? She is the witness you discuss the most. |
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 6, 2021 17:46:12 GMT
Save your lies for the Klowns forum.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 6, 2021 17:59:42 GMT
Save your lies for the Klowns forum. Are you dropping Schwartz as a witness to TII being a transit camp? |
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Post by been_there on Dec 7, 2021 8:00:12 GMT
Save your lies for the Klowns forum. He is just trying to wind you up. He has no interest in discussing this pseudo-historical narrative reasonably and honestly. He has proven that numerous times. Most notably on the skin colour of victims of Carbon monoxide poisoning, on his repeated avoidance of providing the name and testimony of just ONE โlie-witnessโ to a mass-gassing he regards as most credible, and now recently on his misuse of Zabeckiโs compromised testimony. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 7, 2021 8:47:05 GMT
Save your lies for the Klowns forum. He is just trying to wind you up. He has no interest in discussing this pseudo-historical narrative reasonably and honestly. He has proven that numerous times. Most notably on the skin colour of victims of Carbon monoxide poisoning, on his repeated avoidance of providing the name and testimony of just ONE โlie-witnessโ to a mass-gassing he regards as most credible, and now recently on his misuse of Zabeckiโs compromised testimony. I provided numerous medical sources to prove that skin is not cherry red at the time of death from acute, severe CO poisoning and that it appears with lividity, as the blood settles, which takes hours.
I provided a reason as to why there is not one particular single star witness to gassings and pointed out that you do not have a rational methodology for determining witness credibility. I have offered to discuss any and all witnesses and suggested various names.
Zabecki's testimony is not compromised. He over estimates the number of people sent to TII.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 7, 2021 14:56:34 GMT
Been-there has asked me to evidence I assess the claims made using methods taught to me at university and in the police (the posts have been moved to gibberish). I have previously done that, by linking to sites which explain how history is investigated, but here, again; study.com/academy/lesson/historical-methodology-evidence-and-interpretation.htmlI go on, a lot, about the importance of evidence and how evidence, not arguments, are used to prove what happened. "Historical methodology is the process by which historians gather evidence and formulate ideas about the past. It is the framework through which an account of the past is constructed." I talk, a lot, about the importance of eyewitness and primary evidence, as opposed to hearsay and secondary evidence and how the two should not be conflated; "Historical evidence can take a variety of forms. Among the most important types of historical evidence are primary sources." I have explained, on numerous occasions, what is evidence; "Primary sources consist of original documents, artifacts, or other pieces of information that were created at the time under study." I mention the need for corroboration, a lot; seancrossansscotslaw.com/2019/03/01/corroboration/"Corroboration means that there must be at least two independent sources of evidence such as witness testimony and the use of expert and forensic evidence." I believe the witness claims about mass gassings are, in the main, truthful, because they are corroborated by other evidence, is something I have said on numerous occasions. I reject revisionist/denier arguments that what the witnesses said is too incredible to believe, therefore it did not happen and they are all liars, that much of the evidence from documents has been faked and the archaeological studies of the sites are flawed and have not found sufficient evidence. |
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Post by been_there on Dec 7, 2021 17:59:15 GMT
Been-there has asked me to evidence I assess the claims made using methods taught to me at university and in the police (the posts have been moved to gibberish). I have previously done that, by linking to sites which explain how history is investigated... [snip]๐คฆโโ๏ธ๐ [Oh boy! Yet more idiotic miscomprension or dishonest avoidance!]No, that is NOT what you were asked. You CLAIM you use methodology taught you at University, where you received an MA in History AND were taught by the Police. You need to show some proof of that. You havenโt yet done that. If I really need to explain how you havenโt done that and/or give an example of how you could do that, this will be further evidence you are making false claims about your methodology AND where you learnt it! ๐ |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 7, 2021 18:12:55 GMT
Been-there has asked me to evidence I assess the claims made using methods taught to me at university and in the police (the posts have been moved to gibberish). I have previously done that, by linking to sites which explain how history is investigated... [snip]๐คฆโโ๏ธ๐ [Oh boy! Yet more idiotic miscomprension or dishonest avoidance!]No, that is NOT what you were asked. You CLAIM you use methodology taught you at University, where you received an MA in History AND were taught by the Police. You need to show some proof of that. You havenโt yet done that. If I really need to explain how you havenโt done that and/or give an example of how you could do that, this will be further evidence you are making false claims about your methodology AND where you learnt it! ๐ I doubt very much I could ever prove to your satisfaction that I am telling the truth, without actually identifying myself, which I will not do.
I can prove that the historical method and corroboration that I use, are also used by universities to study history and in the Scottish criminal justice system. I just linked you to two sources, one academic and one judicial, which reference the use of evidence and corroboration. There are more that say the same.
If there is something other than that, which you would accept, please say what it is.
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Post by Sandhurst on Dec 7, 2021 18:28:52 GMT
- I can prove that the historical method and corroboration that I use, are also used by universities to study history and in the Scottish criminal justice system.
- If there is something other than that, which you would accept, please say what it is.
This could explain why the history of Scotland needs to be done by someone like Susan Calman and not their now discredited Universities. It appears that the Scottish cops are in need of training (perhaps by German Police Bundesnachrichtendienst) to remove the "keystone" cop element from their ranks. Try being honest Nessie, approach with an open mind and not the cluster and clutter of putting the conclusion as a means to establishing it. It is clear the courts do not trust the Scottish cops, which is why there is emphasis on corroboration; this is why Scottish traffic cops need to go around in pairs to get a conviction for minor offences. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 7, 2021 18:33:56 GMT
When German academics and legal prosecutors examined the evidence, they also came to the conclusion that there had been mass gassings.
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Post by Sandhurst on Dec 7, 2021 18:39:05 GMT
When German academics and legal prosecutors examined the evidence, they also came to the conclusion that there had been mass gassings. Those German academics were also "the chosen" people. Seems many people interested have a bias. Whether they were shot, gassed or hung upside down has little bearing really. The Holocaust is NOT about gassed jews. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 7, 2021 18:46:59 GMT
There is evidence of gassings. There is not evidence something else happened inside the AR camps, Chelmno or the AB Kremas. Historians and lawyers follow the evidence.
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Post by Sandhurst on Dec 7, 2021 19:03:26 GMT
There is evidence of gassings. There is not evidence something else happened inside the AR camps, Chelmno or the AB Kremas. Historians and lawyers follow the evidence. There is evidence of people working in these AR camps sorting clothes, jewelry and other items. AR was an economic initiative by Fritz Reinhardt and much has been said by Prudent Regret on the old forum and at Klowns. He mentioned that the burning was of suitcases and other unwanted stuff (not people). Marian Olszuk also mentions similar. There were a thousand people at the Treblinka revolt, far more than was needed for executions, about 600 at the Sobibor revolt. I think you need to examine all the information and not cherry pick in your mind the evidence that supports your conclusions. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 7, 2021 19:37:39 GMT
There is evidence of gassings. There is not evidence something else happened inside the AR camps, Chelmno or the AB Kremas. Historians and lawyers follow the evidence. There is evidence of people working in these AR camps sorting clothes, jewelry and other items. AR was an economic initiative by Fritz Reinhardt and much has been said by Prudent Regret on the old forum and at Klowns. He mentioned that the burning was of suitcases and other unwanted stuff (not people). PR ignored my point that once a person's personal property has been seized from them, there is still the issue of what to do with that person. Logically, AR cannot have been purely about property, especially when that property included underwear, spectacles, walking sticks and gold from teeth. AR must have also had prvision as to what to do with the people once their property had been stolen from them. You cherry pick Olszuk. Every single witness who was inside TII said it was a death camp. All the Polish rail workers said it was a death camp. |
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Post by Sandhurst on Dec 7, 2021 20:18:48 GMT
AR must have also had prvision as to what to do with the people once their property had been stolen from them. You cherry pick Olszuk. Every single witness who was inside TII said it was a death camp. All the Polish rail workers said it was a death camp. They were sent on their merry way, by transports. I think the issue you have Nessie is that you assume the Judenlager (TII) as described by the reliable witness Olszuk was the AR camp; AR appears to be an initiative and could be relegated to a number of places such as the Treblinka camp at Malkinia. Zabecki the Polish rail worker was a spy; disinformation was their game. His information cannot be trusted and treated with great caution. One can ask why the Gestapo did not throw him into the camp or summarily execute him. The security was pathetically lax. Henryk Gawkowski, the Polish rail train driver had only become aware of the alleged Treblinka II atrocities post war. Faurisson interview Gawkowski and posited the following question. Perhaps there are other Polish rail workers Nessie may wish to present. |
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