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Post by Nessie on Dec 2, 2021 17:49:20 GMT
Two questions from Turnagain that have been answered previously, on more than one occasion. This thread is about assessing witness evidence.
You assert Schwartz was at TII. She fails to describe buildings in the camp that those who worked there describe. She states she went in the opposite direction to other witnesses, by going from Majdanek to TII and then onwards to another camp. She claims TII was a death camp, where she and a friend were able to hide in the toilets. All three are reasons to doubt her credibility and reliability. As for truthfulness, she is most likely, having been interviewed in 1998, to have made a mistake and thought she was at TII, based on what she was told after the war.
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 2, 2021 18:32:30 GMT
You've been asked to show proof that Schwartz was mistaken. Your opinion that she was mistaken isn't proof. IIRC, she and a friend hid in the toilets while at Majdanek. At Treblinka she and a number of other women were sent to Blishjen to perform farm work. She thought that she was going to be gassed at Treblinka but got a shower instead. Most of the other deportees who stayed at Treblinka for a short while had heard the gassing rumors and believed them.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 2, 2021 20:02:10 GMT
You've been asked to show proof that Schwartz was mistaken. Your opinion that she was mistaken isn't proof. It is not my opinion that she said in her testimony that www.theverylongview.com/WATH/personal/both2.htm- she believed TII was a death camp - she went from Majdanek to TII, when other witnesses said they went from TII to Majdanek - she did not describe any of the main buildings that other witnesses described inside TII - she survived a death camp by hiding in a toilet with her friend Wrong. She said "At Treblinka, Freida and I were always together, never separated. She was smart and quick-minded. We used to hide in the toilets, which were big, deep, filthy holes near walls." Why do you claim she is credible, when she makes the incredible claim Treblinka was a death camp? |
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 3, 2021 6:12:05 GMT
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Most Jews believed the gas chamber rumor.
How does any of that prove that she wasn't at Treblinka?
Other Jews who transited through Treblinka claimed it was a death camp. One claimed that Majdanek was, "another death camp". Another claimed that all of the men were shot although she didn't actually see anyone get shot. What does that have to do with their testimony that they were sent to Treblinka, stayed there for short periods of time and were transported to other destinations?
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Dec 3, 2021 6:16:38 GMT
Other Jews who transited through Treblinka claimed it was a death camp. One claimed that Majdanek was, "another death camp". Another claimed that all of the men were shot although she didn't actually see anyone get shot. What does that have to do with their testimony that they were sent to Treblinka, stayed there for short periods of time and were transported to other destinations? Looking at this post by SPQR, the following was quoted; I will re-quote: |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 3, 2021 8:42:32 GMT
Nessie wrote: Most Jews believed the gas chamber rumor. Which you normally use to claim that makes the Jewish witnesses unreliable. Why is Schwartz reliable, when others who make the same claim, are unreliable? Because it is so different to what the other witnesses said and no witness corroborates her version of events. You are cherry picking her testimony. When those who worked inside TII say it was a death camp, you claim they are not credible and are liars. When those who say they were transited through TII say it was a death camp, you claim they are credible and are telling the truth, except for the gassings claim, where they are lying. You are using witnesses who you claim are not credible and are liars. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 3, 2021 8:45:40 GMT
Other Jews who transited through Treblinka claimed it was a death camp. One claimed that Majdanek was, "another death camp". Another claimed that all of the men were shot although she didn't actually see anyone get shot. What does that have to do with their testimony that they were sent to Treblinka, stayed there for short periods of time and were transported to other destinations? Looking at this post by SPQR, the following was quoted; I will re-quote: That evidences how many rumours were circulating at the time and explains that people got mixed up about what camps they went to, especially when they gave their evidence decades later. |
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 3, 2021 10:05:56 GMT
Nessie wrote:
Nessie doesn't differentiate between someone who says "I believe that I was in a death camp" and someone who states, "I saw the gas/steam/vacuum chambers, the giant graves, the exhumation of the cadavers and how they were cremated on a magic Jew barbeque". Nope, no difference at all. According to Nessie, they're both credible, reliable and honest. If Schwartz is credible when she states, "I believe it was a death camp" then Wiernik, Rajchman, et al. are credible about what they say. Sell such utter mindlessness down the street, Nessie.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 3, 2021 16:26:44 GMT
Nessie wrote: Nessie doesn't differentiate between someone who says "I believe that I was in a death camp" and someone who states, "I saw the gas/steam/vacuum chambers, the giant graves, the exhumation of the cadavers and how they were cremated on a magic Jew barbeque". Nope, no difference at all. According to Nessie, they're both credible, reliable and honest. If Schwartz is credible when she states, "I believe it was a death camp" then Wiernik, Rajchman, et al. are credible about what they say. Sell such utter mindlessness down the street, Nessie. Yet again you are inventing a strawman version of what I said, to dodge answering my point.
You know that I do not regard Schwartz as reliable when it comes to being at TII, because of the inconsistencies and lack of corroboration for her claims. You know that I regard Weirnik and Rajchman as lacking in credibility, because of the emotive way they gave their testimony, but because the major part of the claims are corroborated, they are being truthful.
You also know that I differentiate between eyewitness claims and hearsay, and Schwartz's claims are hearsay. The same is the case with most of the other Jewish witnesses who worked at TII, but in the reception/property sorting section, and who did not see gassings. The likes of Krzepicki, Glazar, Sperling and Bomba. They claim gas chambers, without seeing them. Are they reliable?
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Dec 3, 2021 17:28:53 GMT
That evidences how many rumours were circulating at the time and explains that people got mixed up about what camps they went to, especially when they gave their evidence decades later. In response to an earlier post you were demanding evidence of "rumors". These rumors were weaponized by the SS to promote compliance through terror; appeasement did not work. I would suggest you keep your post above in mind when considering most aspects of this alleged super genocide on steroids. |
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 5, 2021 13:33:43 GMT
Nessie wrote:
Yet again you're trying to sell bullshit about Treblinka.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 5, 2021 15:53:23 GMT
Nessie wrote: Yet again you're trying to sell bullshit about Treblinka. You are dodging that the witness you rely on and speak of the most, Helen Schwartz, thinks TII was a death camp. Anyone with half a brain, would understand they cannot claim someone is a credible and reliable witness, when they believe the opposite of what is being claimed. |
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 5, 2021 20:20:41 GMT
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I "rely" on Schwartz no more than any of the other witnesses from Hunt's video. Claiming that she's my "most reliable" witness is a lie. Most of the other witnesses believed that Treblinka was an extermination facility. The guy who spent only a few hours in T-II was asked about it being a death camp and he said that he knew about it but then shrugged and said he listened to the birds. Another witness said that he was sent to Majdanek, "another death camp". You're a lying POS, Nessie.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 6, 2021 11:08:05 GMT
Nessie wrote: I "rely" on Schwartz no more than any of the other witnesses from Hunt's video. Claiming that she's my "most reliable" witness is a lie. Most of the other witnesses believed that Treblinka was an extermination facility. The guy who spent only a few hours in T-II was asked about it being a death camp and he said that he knew about it but then shrugged and said he listened to the birds. Another witness said that he was sent to Majdanek, "another death camp". You're a lying POS, Nessie. You use Schwartz the most, to try to prove your claim TII was a transit camp. You heard what you wanted to hear, based on Hunt's dishonest video and you failed to check she said what he claimed she said, that she was transited from TII to Majdanek. I proved she claimed the opposite. You have not bothered to read or check any of the witness claims to see if they are true. You condemn others as not credible, such as Kola, but your methodology is not credible. You do not bother to check witness reliability when they say what you want to hear.
Eric Hunt dishonestly edited the witness videos and when that was pointed out to him in a huge debate at TSSF, he eventually caved in and accepted he was wrong. It is idiotic of you to still try and used his discredited claims as your evidence.
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 6, 2021 13:20:52 GMT
Nessie wrote:
You're a lying POS, Nessie.
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