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Post by Nessie on Nov 27, 2021 8:48:26 GMT
Nessie wrote: Yep, witness A said that a little boy rode his tricycle to the moon. Witness B said that the little boy drove a peddle car to the moon. Witness C claims that the little boy rode a bicycle to the moon. Nessie says, "See, all of the witnesses said that a little boy went to the moon so it must be true". The problem with your analogy, is that the claim I am making is not physically impossible. It was well within German engineering and construction capabilities in the 1940s, to build gas chambers, dig big pits and cremate on pyres.
The irony with your analogy, is that the claim you are making is not physically possible. It was not logistically possible for the Germans to have transported and accommodated millions of Jews without there being any evidence of that happening and for there to have been a massive conspiracy to hide all the evidence.
Your boy rode his bike to the moon mantra works against you.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Nov 27, 2021 9:06:17 GMT
. It was well within German engineering and construction capabilities in the 1940s, to build gas chambers, dig big pits and cremate on pyres. The engineers capable of doing this were building bombs, working on Nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, rockets and jet engines. Perhaps squad leader Floss had some engineering degree unheard of. It is the discrepancies that are being discussed and not the imagined potential. |
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Post by Turnagain on Nov 27, 2021 9:20:38 GMT
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Brick pressure vessels are impossible. Graves as described by the witnesses aren't possible. Exhumations as described by the witnesses were impossible. Cremations as described by the witnesses are impossible. You claim that all of that "coulda" been accomplished by the Germans if they had the right materials, the right equipment, sufficient fuel and crematories or at least funeral pyres a la the Hindus.
It is possible to go to the moon. It's impossible for a little boy to ride a toy to the moon. You claim that the little boy rode his tricycle to the moon because it's actually possible to go to the moon.
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Post by Nessie on Nov 27, 2021 15:27:36 GMT
. It was well within German engineering and construction capabilities in the 1940s, to build gas chambers, dig big pits and cremate on pyres. The engineers capable of doing this were building bombs, working on Nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, rockets and jet engines. Perhaps squad leader Floss had some engineering degree unheard of. It is the discrepancies that are being discussed and not the imagined potential. The discrepancies are explained by
1- hearsay compared to eyewitness evidence and how the two are often mixed 2- the normal differences in eyewitness evidence caused by
2.1- the time after the event the witness is asked to describe what they saw 2.2- the questions asked, if any 2.3- the memory of the witness 2.4- what each witness saw, as not all saw the same things 2.5- the witness's ability to estimate size
2.6- whether the witness was a Nazi or Jewish, since they had very different experiences and were from very different backgrounds 2.7- the effects of trauma, PTSD and survivor guilt
It is notable that all the witnesses agree on the main points, of mass arrivals, the removal of property, deaths in chambers and burials/cremations. No one differentiates from that basic narrative.
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Post by Nessie on Nov 27, 2021 15:34:13 GMT
Nessie wrote: Brick pressure vessels are impossible. Which is why claims of the use of a vacuum can be dismissed as wrong. It is possible to dig large graves with excavators. Your objections are to do with not knowing about excavator type and what happened with all the stockpile. Not knowing the answers does not make digging graves with excavators impossible. Using excavators to uncover bodies from graves and for workers to get those bodies is not impossible. You have made a bizarre, very literal interpretation of one witness, thinking he meant one scoop of an excavator could lift out 3000 bodies at one time. Embers burning at up to 1000 degrees centigrade, under a grate, will set bodies, which are 10-20% fat, on fire, as the heat drives out the water content. What is claimed is possible, and it is evidenced to have happened. Your claims are physically impossible and not evidenced to have happened. |
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Post by Turnagain on Nov 27, 2021 16:14:01 GMT
Nessie dredges up his patented horse frocky. Some witnesses said that first the air from the gas chamber was evacuated. Then there is the testimony that the gas chambers were hermetically sealed. Nessie's horse frocky is that the witnesses were either "mistaken" or didn't notice the relief valves/vents etc.
Enter the magical mystery machine.
More "what if" and "coulda woulda" horse frocky from Nessie.
Those embers are from Nessie's imagination. Such supplies of wood weren't available at T-II. He then goes on to ignore the laws of thermodynamics. The pile of horse frocky is growing higher.
What you claim is possible is possible only in holyhoax la-la land. That deportees arrived at T-II, stayed there for a few days and were then sent elsewhere is entirely possible and evidenced. Brick pressure vessels, giant graves and mystery machines and magic Jew barbeques ARE impossible.
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Post by Nessie on Nov 27, 2021 16:33:14 GMT
Your arguments from incredulity and ignorance, that because you cannot work out how it would work from the available evidence, therefore it cannot have happened, is a logical fallacy.
It is not physically possible for tens of thousands of people to have been accommodated inside TII for a few days and then sent elsewhere, so that over 18 months those daily totals accumulated to c860,000 being transported through the camp, without that leaving evidence it happened.
You do not have a credible method for determining the reliability of evidence.
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Post by ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐ณ๐ง๐จ๐๐ซ on Nov 27, 2021 18:08:05 GMT
Your arguments from incredulity and ignorance, that because you cannot work out how it would work from the available evidence, therefore it cannot have happened, is a logical fallacy. It is not physically possible for tens of thousands of people to have been accommodated inside TII for a few days and then sent elsewhere, so that over 18 months those daily totals accumulated to c860,000 being transported through the camp, without that leaving evidence it happened. Repeating mantra is against the rules. Poster warned. |
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Post by Turnagain on Nov 30, 2021 20:36:23 GMT
I am still waiting for been-there and turnagain to answer my questions about why Helen Schwartz is a credible witness. Well gee, maybe she was just mistaken or exaggerated or was just engaging in hyperbole or perhaps she was just being emotional about her trauma. She said that she was in Treblinka so why isn't that enough? You know, like Wiernik's and Rajchman's testimony.
Just curious but what lies are you accusing Schwartz of telling?
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Post by Nessie on Dec 1, 2021 15:27:10 GMT
This thread is about how to assess witness evidence. Going by many comments here, there is a lot of misunderstanding of the difference between credibility, reliability and truthfulness. A witness can give evidence that is not credible, is unreliable, but still truthful.
If a witness sees a mass gassing and describes a gas chamber that would not work and makes unreliable claims about how many were gassed, they can still be truthful that they saw a mass gassing.
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 1, 2021 15:30:26 GMT
Uh-huh, a witness can lie about what he witnessed but tell the truth about what he witnessed. Makes sense in holyhoax la-la land.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 2, 2021 15:50:37 GMT
Uh-huh, a witness can lie about what he witnessed but tell the truth about what he witnessed. Makes sense in holyhoax la-la land. That is not what I said. I said that a witness can make claims that are not credible, are not reliable, but they can still be truthful. There is a difference between credibility, reliability and truthfulness.
Wiernik's claims may appear and often are incredible and are often not reliable, but corroborative evidence proves he is telling the truth about TII having gas chambers, mass graves and pyres.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 2, 2021 15:54:20 GMT
I am still waiting for been-there and turnagain to answer my questions about why Helen Schwartz is a credible witness. Well gee, maybe she was just mistaken or exaggerated or was just engaging in hyperbole or perhaps she was just being emotional about her trauma. She said that she was in Treblinka so why isn't that enough? You know, like Wiernik's and Rajchman's testimony.
Just curious but what lies are you accusing Schwartz of telling?
I am not saying she lied about anything. I am saying she is mistaken as to having been to TII. How many times do you need to be told that before you remember?
Anyone who claims to have been to TII (or indeed any camp) needs to have their claims assessed against the other evidence. That is standard procedure for checking witness credibility, reliability and truthfulness.
Now, how about you answer my question, why is she a credible witness for TII being a transit camp, when she states TII was a death camp? By claiming the opposite, she has ruined her credibility.
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 2, 2021 16:41:04 GMT
Nessie wrote:
OK, where is your indisputable proof that gas chambers existed at T-II. Same for the mass graves and the cremains of the 850,000 cremated Jews. Wiernik lied continuously about the events that occurred at T-II so for your claim that he told the truth about gas chambers, graves and cremations to be taken seriously you're going to have to show some pretty convincing proof.
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 2, 2021 16:44:21 GMT
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Again, show your proof that Schwartz wasn't at T-II. She said that she was at T-II so you're going to need some solid proof that she wasn't to disprove her statement.
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