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Post by 𝝥𝝰𝘇𝗴𝝻𝝸 on Nov 30, 2021 19:42:59 GMT
Or, it is because there were no regular mass transports. The SU was in no way able to administer such a huge hoax. They could barely manage Katyn. Of course if there were mass exterminations there would be no need for mass transports away from the camp. It would make sense to have the number of people arriving balanced with those who are leaving. There are other issues which could be looked at which might help. This would be the quantity of food coming into the camp and waste disposal. Olszuk reports of Jews working in the woods from TII; this implies there were work parties in the area from this camp. Did these people work in the quarry. |
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Post by Nessie on Nov 30, 2021 19:48:42 GMT
The lack of regular mass transports back out of TII is evidenced by every witness who worked there, the Warsaw record of empty trains leaving and the Polish rail workers.
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Post by 𝝥𝝰𝘇𝗴𝝻𝝸 on Nov 30, 2021 19:55:27 GMT
The lack of regular mass transports back out of TII is evidenced by every witness who worked there, the Warsaw record of empty trains leaving and the Polish rail workers. I doubt if there were special trains when it is easier to fill the ones just arriving. The witnesses would not know. What is known is that loads of jews were being transported all over Poland depending on where the work was needed. |
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Post by Prudent_Regret on Nov 30, 2021 20:06:51 GMT
No witness claims the trains unloaded at Treblinka station, Treblinka village or anywhere other than TII, so that camp as the destination of the regular mass transports as the ghettos were being emptied, is supported by evidence. AR was separate from the labour camp and quarry, so any AR reference of Jews being sent to Treblinka, is supported by other evidence to be TII. You are making unevidenced giant leaps, as you insinuate the ghettos were emptied to Treblinka village, station or anywhere else in that area, as part of AR. From this statement one can assume the prisoners at the Quarry (TI) were taken there by horse and cart. The Warsaw Judenrat, July 1942, tells the world that at the start of the Warsaw evacuations a second transport left the Warsaw ghetto (at the end of July 1942, during the first week of the "great transport" of the Jews of this ghetto to the death camp of Treblinka). From that information 1,413 workers were sent from the ghetto: 413 to a work camp in the Lublin District and 1,000 to Luftgaukommando Moskau (headquartered in Smolensk), and to Minsk (see the Report of the Warsaw Judenrat, July 1942). It turns out, in fact, that the latter group was not sent to Minsk but to Bobruysk. Thus, two transports of approximately 1,400 Jews were sent to Bobruysk from the Warsaw ghetto. This was the first week of the "death trains". C. Gerlach (Kalkulierte Morde, op. cit., pp. 762-763) says: It seems the Term Treblinka was the nearest town of departure from the Reich where the SS had a presence for statistical purposes; this does not imply disembarkation. I'm curious what makes you think the prisoners were taken to the Quarry (TI) by horse and cart? I ask because I have come to a similar conclusion. |
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Post by 𝝥𝝰𝘇𝗴𝝻𝝸 on Nov 30, 2021 20:32:04 GMT
I'm curious what makes you think the prisoners were taken to the Quarry (TI) by horse and cart? I ask because I have come to a similar conclusion. This was a method of transport described by some of the Sobibor witnesses. and This seemed to be a standard method of cheap transportation. No reason to suggest it was not used elsewhere. |
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Post by Prudent_Regret on Nov 30, 2021 20:38:58 GMT
I'm curious what makes you think the prisoners were taken to the Quarry (TI) by horse and cart? I ask because I have come to a similar conclusion. This was a method of transport described by some of the Sobibor witnesses. andThis seemed to be a standard method of cheap transportation. No reason to suggest it was not used elsewhere. Those are my thoughts exactly, and the "Treblinka spur" looks more like a tramway for horse-drawn carts than a standard-gauge railroad: rodoh.info/post/1183/thread |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 1, 2021 10:37:57 GMT
This was a method of transport described by some of the Sobibor witnesses. andThis seemed to be a standard method of cheap transportation. No reason to suggest it was not used elsewhere. Those are my thoughts exactly, and the "Treblinka spur" looks more like a tramway for horse-drawn carts than a standard-gauge railroad: rodoh.info/post/1183/threadThat would mean the gravel from the quarry was hauled to the mainline by horses and loaded somewhere onto mainline trains. Have you any evidence of that happening? |
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Post by 𝝥𝝰𝘇𝗴𝝻𝝸 on Dec 1, 2021 10:42:18 GMT
That would mean the gravel from the quarry was hauled to the mainline by horses and loaded somewhere onto mainline trains. Have you any evidence of that happening? This was the norm of most country industries from Quarries to Logging. The railways in some areas had small steam locomotives to transport the material to the sidings for the main trains. Prior to that it was horse and cart. In modern times trucks are used to carry logs and rocks to the nearest railway. |
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 16, 2021 20:37:53 GMT
So, we have witnesses who claim that Jews were sent to Treblinka, Jews who state that they left Treblinka for other destinations and no real proof that Jews were mass murdered in Treblinka. No graves and no cremains. All evidence points to Treblinka being a transit camp.
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