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Post by Velòhaven on Nov 22, 2021 17:20:03 GMT
The way different sources chose to describe what happened, and where they got their information from, is of course going to result in a variance in details. But the source you quote agrees with Wiernik, in that people were selected to work; "Jewish prisoners who worked there in carpentry, cobblers' and metal-working workshops." and with Olszuk about trading with the locals; "... collect and classify any valuables, which were then vigorously traded by Germans, Ukrainians and the local population." This thread is not about gassings inside TII, in fact it is not about TII but the transports to AR camps in general. The description of everyone being murdered within minutes by one set of witnesses and the description of a normal camp situation with nothing untoward by other people over an extended period is not a variance in detail but a description of parallel universes. Each description negates the other; both cannot be true. The description of Wiernik etc is that only Sonderkommando were selected to work on exterminating the rest, not, to be selected as bakers, butchers, cobblers and candestickmakers. Vasily Grossman, a witness said the following: This statement is really at some discord with Marian and others talking with guards and trading goods. Another minor variance of detail I expect. |
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Post by been_there on Dec 10, 2021 19:36:47 GMT
The Nazis claimed that over 1.4 million Jews had been deported to the “East”. How come not a single Jewish eyewitness of the Holocaust has ever written or spoken about those alleged transports to the East? ...I wonder why… Yeah, I wonder why no Jewish ’witnesses’ gave testimony that contradicted the ’special-suffering, eternal-victim, ”poor us”, emerging H-narrative. Hmmmm? Strange, that!? By the way, Raul Hilberg put the figure of Jews killed by the Einsatsgruppen at 1.4 million. Also... the initial claim for jews killed at Majdanek was 1.4 million (it later had to be reduced to 78,000). And... the claim of numbers of Jews killed in just the Ukraine is ....[wait for it]... yes, you guessed, ...it is 1.4 million.
 Then there is this from the BBC on the very convenient story of a non-credible manuscript miraculously found at Auschwitz:  Does this number perhaps have some special mythological significance for Jews, as the ’6 million’ figure does? 🤔 |
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Post by Venatỏr on Dec 11, 2021 4:47:09 GMT
In the same report, Heinrich Himmler ordered for “special treatment” to be changed to “processed”. I wonder why? Probably because "Special Treatment" could be misconstrued as euthanasia as was used with Aktion 14f13 canditates. |
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Post by goody on Dec 11, 2021 12:18:51 GMT
The Nazis claimed that over 1.4 million Jews had been deported to the “East”. How come not a single Jewish eyewitness of the Holocaust has ever written or spoken about those alleged transports to the East? ...I wonder why… Yeah, I wonder why no Jewish ’witnesses’ gave testimony that contradicted the ’special-suffering, eternal-victim, ”poor us”, emerging H-narrative. Hmmmm? Strange, that!? By the way, Raul Hilberg put the figure of Jews killed by the Einsatsgruppen at 1.4 million. Also... the initial claim for jews killed at Majdanek was 1.4 million (it later had to be reduced to 78,000). And... the claim of numbers of Jews killed in just the Ukraine is ....[wait for it]... yes, you guessed, ...it is 1.4 million.
Then there is this from the BBC on the very convenient story of a non-credible manuscript miraculously found at Auschwitz: Does this number perhaps have some special mythological significance for Jews, as the ’6 million’ figure does? 🤔 Your lengthy post didn’t address my post at all. The revisionist narrative is that Treblinka was a transit camp and not an extermination camp, but no revisionist can explain why none of the Jews who were allegedly transited from Treblinka to the East ever wrote or spoke about that policy being carried out. To date, the best a revisionist can do is quote a few survivors of Treblinka who feature in Eric Hunt’s video about Treblinka. But, any revisionist who does that is either unaware or deliberately ignoring that Hunt himself admitted that his video is misleading because the full testimonies aren’t used and that the survivors spoke about being sent to other Nazi camps to work and not to the East to be resettled and live happily ever after. And, those testimonies never spoke about what happened to the overwhelming majority of Jews who were sent to Treblinka. Hunt didn’t reveal anything new because it was revealed during the Treblinka Trials over half a century ago that a small number of Jews were selected to work in other camps. What happened to the Jewish children? What happened to the Jews who couldn’t work? Eric Hunt asked Friedrich Berg those questions and the latter just said that he didn’t care and that it wasn’t important… he just avoided answering those questions. What you’re doing is a typical revisionist tactic - you avoid answering any questions and just post irrelevant nonsense. How about you try answering my very simple question? If your opinion is that Treblinka wasn’t an extermination camp, what did happen to the Jews who were sent there? No Nazi, guard, etc, who worked at the camp ever tried to use the claim that it was a transit camp in his defence during any trial, why was that? It’s an invention made by revisionists in the 1980s that it was a transit camp. Then it became pedalled by the same people online. With all of the available information, so why can no revisionist actually answer it? |
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 11, 2021 12:42:11 GMT
Probably because "Special Treatment" could be misconstrued as euthanasia as was used with Aktion 14f13 canditates. It wasn’t just used for that purpose. It was a well known euphemism for mass murder. In that case show us some lab tested cremains for those who were "mass murdered". Throw in some GPR scans for those giant graves while you're at it. |
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Post by been_there on Dec 11, 2021 14:25:42 GMT
Yeah, I wonder why no Jewish ’witnesses’ gave testimony that contradicted the ’special-suffering, eternal-victim, ”poor us”, emerging H-narrative. Hmmmm? Strange, that!? By the way, Raul Hilberg put the figure of Jews killed by the Einsatsgruppen at 1.4 million. Also... the initial claim for jews killed at Majdanek was 1.4 million (it later had to be reduced to 78,000). And... the claim of numbers of Jews killed in just the Ukraine is ....[wait for it]... yes, you guessed, ...it is 1.4 million.
Then there is this from the BBC on the very convenient story of a non-credible manuscript miraculously found at Auschwitz: Does this number perhaps have some special mythological significance for Jews, as the ’6 million’ figure does? 🤔 Your lengthy post didn’t address my post at all. I suggest it did. What I think has occurred is that your faith in this closed ’H’ belief-system has blinded you, making you unable to comprehend anything outside of its narrow acceptable parameters. No, that is not correct. Firstly, ’Revisionists’ are merely people interested in accurate history and who therefore question and seek to revise obviously false or unsubstantisted historically inaccurate narratives. ‘Revisionists’ are therefore not a set group, with a fixed and never-changing belief. You appear to be psychologicaly projecting. ’Revisionists’ in this case would be anyone who seeks to revise ANY PART of the protected ’holocaust’ closed and legally protected belief-system. E.g. I myself do not affirm that T2 was soley a transit camp. Though I do believe the evidence of those Jewish people who said they were transited through Treblnka. Do you not believe them? Neither do I ’deny’ that Jewish people met their end there, by whatever means. So for them it could accurately be described as an ’extermination’ camp. Though I do know with surety that CURRENTLY there is no credible, documentary or forensic (empirical) evidence that they did in the numbers claimed, by the methods claimed and were disposed of in the way and place claimed. IF YOU can provide that evidence I will be grateful. So please go ahead. Obviously because it would not help them in the least. If you haven’t understood even this yet, it does rather show you are not able to approach the topic reasonably, rationally, intelligently, impartially and unemotionally |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 11, 2021 15:14:29 GMT
.... The revisionist narrative is that Treblinka was a transit camp and not an extermination camp, but no revisionist can explain why none of the Jews who were allegedly transited from Treblinka to the East ever wrote or spoke about that policy being carried out. The revisionists got very excited when Eric Hunt produced his videos claiming TII was a transit camp. But they failed to check what the witnesses he used actually said in full. Exactly. For example, Hunt makes out the witness Helen Schwartz went from TII to Majdanek, but her testimony is that she went from Majdanek to TII. Hunt misses out much of the witness testimony, that reveals they all went to labour camps, such as at Budzyn, Majdanek and Poniatowa, which are either west or south of TII, and still in Poland. None went to the east. Those witnesses all believe TII was a death camp, which normally would make them liars according to the revisionists. But for some reason they cannot explain, they suspend their normal disbelief and claim those witnesses are all credible and truthful. Witnesses such as Sam Kulawy, who said he left in a full train and went to A-B, made their claims when interviewed in the 1980s. How reliable is a witness, who went to various camps, 40 years after the event, as to which camp he was at. In any case, A-B records show arrivals from Malkinia, the transit point near to the Treblinka camps. The witness claims about selections to be sent to work in labour camps, are the same as witness claims at Sobibor, Belzec and best known of all, at A-B. The Nazis involved were all tried in German courts, who took a very sympathetic view to what they had done, with lenient sentences and many acquittals. They had ample opportunity to set the record straight and say what had happened, if the AR camps were not death camps. There is no evidence of mass transports back out if the AR camps, of 1.27 million people by the end of 1942, rising to 1.5 million by the end of 1943. That is why revisionists hate to discuss this topic in any detail and instead they resort to arguments from incredulity. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 11, 2021 16:28:03 GMT
I don’t need to do that. That’s not how history and evidence work. I see that you’ve still not learnt a thing since our last interactions a couple of years ago. You need to be on your best behaviour on this forum though, hehe. That's not how history and evidence works on the Klown's forum. In the real world, proof of your accusation of mass murder must be proved. You are asking for lab testing, because you have been provided with expert opinion that the remains are cremated bits of bone and the larger remains are identified as human. You then thought up an excuse to reject the lab testing that was done at Sobibor, which confirmed human remains.
You then provide no archaeological, physical or forensic evidence to back up your claims that the ground disturbances at the AR camps are insufficient to have been from mass graves and that hundreds of thousands of people were buried and cremated at those places. You reverse the burden of proof and demand we prove you wrong.
This thread is about transports, so back to that topic. You have no evidence of regular mass transports back out of the AR camps.
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Post by goody on Dec 11, 2021 16:31:09 GMT
I don’t need to do that. That’s not how history and evidence work. I see that you’ve still not learnt a thing since our last interactions a couple of years ago. You need to be on your best behaviour on this forum though, hehe. That's not how history and evidence works on the Klown's forum. In the real world, proof of your accusation of mass murder must be proved. Please provide evidence of mass transports from Treblinka. Did the Jews who you claim weren’t murdered go to the Russian East as the Nazis claimed they did? Or, did the Nazis lie? |
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Post by Nazgûl on Dec 11, 2021 17:19:09 GMT
It did not. Instead you just showed your lack of sympathy for the millions of families even today who lost their loved ones by the genocide carried out by the Nazis. Genocide as prescribed by Article II does not equate to the Holocaust. While the holocaust is genocidal, genocide is not the Holocaust. See thread. It may well be that Holocaust adherents fail to acknowledge the real victims of genocide, fail to give them the dignity they deserve by adhering to a false ideology. That aside this post is off topic which should be about AR transports. |
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