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Post by Nessie on Dec 14, 2021 12:28:39 GMT
...The stuff about witnesses and evidencing are irrelevant for this thread (and most others) ... You want a thread about the AR camp transports, without any evidence? Why? |
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Post by Venatแปr on Dec 14, 2021 16:46:37 GMT
...The stuff about witnesses and evidencing are irrelevant for this thread (and most others) ... You want a thread about the AR camp transports, without any evidence? Why? What is clear is that you prattling on about evidencing philosophy is not needed. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 14, 2021 17:17:59 GMT
You want a thread about the AR camp transports, without any evidence? Why? What is clear is that you prattling on about evidencing philosophy is not needed. You expect people to believe what you cannot evidence. It is physically impossible for c.1.6 million to have left the AR camps without there being evidence of that happening. |
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Post by been_there on Dec 14, 2021 17:49:48 GMT
Nessie first admits that the records for transports to and from Treblinka are incomplete, anecdotal and even fragmentary. He then goes on to claim that the witnesses in Hunt's video are the total number of witnesses who left Treblinka alive and the people who left with them are the only deportees to ever have left Treblinka alive. Nessie has apparently received that information from holyhoax la-la land since there's no basis in the real world to make such an assumption. NESSIE wrote: The ghetto evidence, such as the Warsaw shuttle train record, proves trains left the ghettos full and no one returned, as they were being closed down. Oh boy! ๐ Of course โno-one returnedโ!! (Cheeses of Lazarus! ๐คฆโโ๏ธ) If people had been transported from Warsaw to Treblinka then โreturnedโ to Warsaw that would make the whole transportation endeavour pointless. (Sheesh! The lack of any application of simple logic by cult-like believers in the H โmass-gassngโ narrative never ceases to amaze!)Holy moly!! ๐ About 2/3 would be the vast majority! What else is it? It is more than half! It is not the minority. (Dear oh dear. This person even has difficulty with simple language and basic concepts of arithmetic!) |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 14, 2021 18:17:07 GMT
NESSIE wrote: The ghetto evidence, such as the Warsaw shuttle train record, proves trains left the ghettos full and no one returned, as they were being closed down. Oh boy! ๐ Of course โno-one returnedโ!! (Cheeses of Lazarus! ๐คฆโโ๏ธ) If people had been transported from Warsaw to Treblinka then โreturnedโ to Warsaw that would make the whole transportation endeavour pointless. (Sheesh! The lack of any application of simple logic by cult-like believers in the H โmass-gassngโ narrative never ceases to amaze!)Your admission that of course ghetto transport trains that returned to the ghettos, did so empty, drives a huge hole in revisionist claims that TII was a transit camp and provides supporting evidence to the gassing evidence. Full trains arriving and empty trains leaving is consistent with gassings, not transits. You are quibbling over semantics. I think of 80% plus as a vast majority, not 60%. Hence, the 30% of trains that returned to Warsaw empty, means any claim the vast majority of trans left TII is wrong. You acknowledge that the other ghetto shuttle transports would leave empty when returning to get more passengers. Since most of those sent to TII came from ghettos, there is now evidence of the vast majority of trains arriving packed full and leaving empty. TII was not a transit camp. |
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 14, 2021 18:34:35 GMT
Uh, if 30% of the trains returned to Warsaw empty then 70% not 60% did not. Just another little math fail from Nessie.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 14, 2021 18:52:00 GMT
Uh, if 30% of the trains returned to Warsaw empty then 70% not 60% did not. Just another little math fail from Nessie. Add the Warsaw trains to the trains that shuttled people from the ghettos at Bialystock, Czestochowa, Wegrow, Terezin, Szydlowiec, Siedlce, Radom, Lukow, Grodno and any ghetto that shuttled multiple transports to TII and that means there is evidence the vast majority of trains left TII empty. TII cannot have been a transit camp. |
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Post by Venatแปr on Dec 14, 2021 19:12:04 GMT
I am sure the Bialystok trains etc had locations. I will ask again where is the evidence that all these trains went to TII as opposed to Malkinia or merely Treblinka which is believed to be the Malkinia loop.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 14, 2021 19:59:32 GMT
I am sure the Bialystok trains etc had locations. I will ask again where is the evidence that all these trains went to TII as opposed to Malkinia or merely Treblinka which is believed to be the Malkinia loop. I will repeat, the evidence is from witnesses and documents, that trains as part of AR, went to the AR camps, including TII, the small camp on the sour line to TI labour camp and quarry. |
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 14, 2021 23:08:49 GMT
Uh...Nessie...30% from 100% still doesn't equal 60%.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 15, 2021 15:13:04 GMT
Uh...Nessie...30% from 100% still doesn't equal 60%. I said "I think of 80% plus as a vast majority, not 60%. Hence, the 30% of trains that returned to Warsaw empty..." I worded it badly, making it appear the 60% was a sum based on the 30%. The full stop was meant to show that I think 80% is a vast majority not 60% and then as a separate issue, 30% of trains that went to TII came from Warsaw and they returned empty, which alone means a large number of empty trains left TII. The add that to the other ghetto transports.
You are yet again dodging discussing the evidence, which been-there admits is correct, of shuttle trains going to TII full of people and returning to the ghettos empty to collect more people. That is evidence, along with the witness evidence of empty traisn leaving, to prove the vast majority of trains left TII empty. That destroys the transit camp claim.
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 16, 2021 9:40:36 GMT
Uh...Nessie...30% from 100% still doesn't equal 60%. I said "I think of 80% plus as a vast majority, not 60%. Hence, the 30% of trains that returned to Warsaw empty..." I worded it badly, making it appear the 60% was a sum based on the 30%. The full stop was meant to show that I think 80% is a vast majority not 60% and then as a separate issue, 30% of trains that went to TII came from Warsaw and they returned empty, which alone means a large number of empty trains left TII. The add that to the other ghetto transports.
You are yet again dodging discussing the evidence, which been-there admits is correct, of shuttle trains going to TII full of people and returning to the ghettos empty to collect more people. That is evidence, along with the witness evidence of empty traisn leaving, to prove the vast majority of trains left TII empty. That destroys the transit camp claim.
Your "evidence" of trains entering and leaving Treblinka is Zabecki. It's known that Zabecki lied about the number of trains that left Treblinka with passengers from the testimony of credible witnesses and a record of such a transport from Majdanek and from the USHMM archives. I suppose that since Zabecki suits Nessie's narrative then nothing will shake Nessie's faith in his testimony. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 16, 2021 9:49:29 GMT
I said "I think of 80% plus as a vast majority, not 60%. Hence, the 30% of trains that returned to Warsaw empty..." I worded it badly, making it appear the 60% was a sum based on the 30%. The full stop was meant to show that I think 80% is a vast majority not 60% and then as a separate issue, 30% of trains that went to TII came from Warsaw and they returned empty, which alone means a large number of empty trains left TII. The add that to the other ghetto transports.
You are yet again dodging discussing the evidence, which been-there admits is correct, of shuttle trains going to TII full of people and returning to the ghettos empty to collect more people. That is evidence, along with the witness evidence of empty traisn leaving, to prove the vast majority of trains left TII empty. That destroys the transit camp claim.
Your "evidence" of trains entering and leaving Treblinka is Zabecki. It's known that Zabecki lied about the number of trains that left Treblinka with passengers from the testimony of credible witnesses and a record of such a transport from Majdanek and from the USHMM archives. I suppose that since Zabecki suits Nessie's narrative then nothing will shake Nessie's faith in his testimony. My evidence is from Zabecki, the other Polish railworkers, locals such as Olczek, everyone who worked inside TII, the witnesses who were on the trains and ghetto transport records. Zabecki gave the most exaggerated numbers, more accurate numbers come from the ghetto records. |
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 16, 2021 10:22:01 GMT
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OK, quote the "other" railworkers and locals. Also from "everyone" who worked inside T-II. You have endlessly refused to name and quote any such witness. Explain how ghetto records would account for all trains that entered or left Treblinka.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 16, 2021 15:13:00 GMT
Nessie wrote: OK, quote the "other" railworkers and locals. Also from "everyone" who worked inside T-II. You have endlessly refused to name and quote any such witness. Explain how ghetto records would account for all trains that entered or left Treblinka. I have linked you to the names and testimony on numerous occasions and you then cry laundry list.
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Stanisลaw Adamczyk "pointsman with Polish State Railways" stated;
"During the summer of 1942, maybe starting in August, huge transports of Jews started to arrive in the direction of Treblinka; there were 50 freight wagons in each transport on average. There were one, two or three transports daily. It continued like this approximately until Christmas of 1942. At that time, there were also shipments of clothes leaving Treblinka to the west."
Stanisลaw Borowy "train dispatcher with Polish State Railways" stated;
"At the end of July 1942, if I am not mistaken, a telegram was sent from the railway head office in Warsaw informing us that resettlement trains would soon be in operation, which were to run back and forth between various stations and Treblinka. Indeed, transports of Jews started to arrive soon, which lasted continuously until approximately New Yearโs Day 1943...As for the number of people who were delivered to the extermination camp in Treblinka daily at that time, I think it was between 12,000 and 18,000 people. Each transport consisted of 60 wagons; there were between 150 and 200 people in each...Between 40 and 50 minutes passed between leaving the Treblinka railway station and returning to it with empty wagons."
Two witnesses, trains full of people went to TII and left empty or full of clothing. You read the rest yourself. Stop pretending your request for evidence has not been met. The last time I asked you to link to a quote, you REFUSED!!!!
The only records found of transports to and from TII are from ghettos. If you think there is evidence of other transports, it is up to you to find it. Here is more evidence about the Warsaw transports
Wลadysลaw Chomka "senior track worker with Polish State Railways"
"I can vividly remember that in July 1942 a telegram came to the Treblinka stationmaster from the railway head office in Warsaw informing us that as of 22 July a permanent back- and-forth train would be running between Warsaw and Treblinka, consisting of 58 freight wagons and three carriages. According to the telegram, the train was to transport residents of Warsaw, who, because of overpopulation in the city, would settle in Treblinka. Being aware of the local conditions, we were surprised as to the purpose of sending people to Treblinka, since there was no proper accommodation for them."
He was told it was for resettlement, but thought that could not be so, since there was no accommodation for them. I have raised that point on numerous occasions, but you dodged it every time. There is nowhere for all those Jews to have been accommodated. Your suggestion TII was a transit camp is false and contradicted by the evidence.
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