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Post by Nessie on Nov 21, 2021 13:24:46 GMT
There are statements from credible witnesses that there were mass transports of Jews from T-II. Nessie claims that these witnesses are the only witnesses but in fact their statements are the only ones recorded. The total number of deportees from T-II is unknown. On the other hand, there's NO credible witnesses to Jews being systematically murdered at T-II. Neither does any unequivocal evidence of mass murder exist. You dishonestly omit to admit that the witnesses you claim are credible, such as Helen Schwartz, all state that TII was a death camp. How is she credible, when she states the opposite of what you believe?
The total number of evidenced people who were transported from TII to work at labour camps in Poland is at most 9500;
That total assumes the likes of Helen Schwartz is correct, and she was transported from Majdanek to TII, where she spent a few days hiding in the latrines and doing no work, before being selected for work and taken to Blishjen camp to sort clothing.
If you claim she is credible, then you are admitting TII was a death camp, as she said "We exited and realized that they had brought us to Treblinka. This turned out to be the worst of the worst concentration camp in history. So many Jews were killed in this horrific place..."
How is she a credible witness to what happened at TII?
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Post by been_there on Nov 21, 2021 16:49:51 GMT
There are statements from credible witnesses that there were mass transports of Jews from T-II. Nessie claims that these witnesses are the only witnesses but in fact their statements are the only ones recorded. The total number of deportees from T-II is unknown. On the other hand, there's NO credible witnesses to Jews being systematically murdered at T-II. Neither does any unequivocal evidence of mass murder exist. ...Helen Schwartz is correct, and she was transported from Majdanek to TII... before being selected for work and taken to Blishjen camp... ...How is she a credible witness to what happened at TII? Because if she was transited through Treblinka 2 then she is a living proof that it was NOT soley the โdeath campโ described by Wiernik and the other lie-witnesses. It was NOT the centre for ONLY โexterminationsโ that the mythology claimed for decades and which Yarad and the other liar-historians promulgated. [Holy moly! ๐คฆโโ๏ธ]If she was there and DID get transited through the camp, then the very fact of her being still alive after the war, makes her a credible witness to the TRUTH that for many Jews T2 was a โtransit campโ. [Godโs teeth! And this guy wants us to believe he has an M.A in History!?!] ๐คช |
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Post by Nessie on Nov 21, 2021 17:02:41 GMT
...Helen Schwartz is correct, and she was transported from Majdanek to TII... before being selected for work and taken to Blishjen camp... ...How is she a credible witness to what happened at TII? Because if she was transited through Treblinka 2 then she is a living proof that it was NOT soley the โdeath campโ described by Wiernik and the other lie-witnesses. It was NOT the centre for ONLY โexterminationsโ that the mythology claimed for decades and which Yarad and the other liar-historians promulgated. [Holy moly! ๐คฆโโ๏ธ]If she was there and DID get transited through the camp, then the very fact of her being still alive after the war, makes her a credible witness to the TRUTH that for many Jews T2 was a โtransit campโ. [Godโs teeth! And this guy wants us to believe he has an M.A in History!?!] ๐คช Evidence and prove she was transited from Majdanek to TII to Blishjen and that she is remembering accurately what happened to her. You need to explain why you accept her evidence as "living proof".
Every single camp with gas chambers, had reports of selections and people being sent to work elsewhere as the other went to the gas chambers, most famously at Birkenau. Anyone, historians included, who claims everyone sent to a death camp died, is wrong. That mythology should be challenged.
How many Jews were transited through TII? Show your evidence in your answer.
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Post by Hรผntinger on Nov 21, 2021 18:08:54 GMT
Every single camp with gas chambers, had reports of selections and people being sent to work elsewhere as the other went to the gas chambers, most famously at Birkenau. Anyone, historians included, who claims everyone sent to a death camp died, is wrong. That mythology should be challenged. How many Jews were transited through TII? Show your evidence in your answer. It appears that selections of some sort were a function of every camp; it is just that some camps had gas chambers thrown into the mix depending on how the "narrative" needs modifying. On this basis one cannot correlate selections with gas chambers. This thread is NOT about Birkenau or about TII but the goings on at other claimed AR camps aka border camps, Sobibor and Belzec. |
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Post by Nessie on Nov 21, 2021 19:08:30 GMT
... It appears that selections of some sort were a function of every camp; it is just that some camps had gas chambers thrown into the mix depending on how the "narrative" needs modifying. On this basis one cannot correlate selections with gas chambers. ... Been-there does not understand that. He thinks anyone selected means there is now evidence a camp is a transit camp. |
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Post by Nazgรปl on Nov 21, 2021 19:51:01 GMT
Been-there does not understand that. He thinks anyone selected means there is now evidence a camp is a transit camp. As I see it, what some other member understands or fails to do so is not anyone's concern; if he wants clarification then he can ask for it. We all make our own interpretation about what is posted, do some fact checking and seek possible alternatives. I think it has been mentioned a few times now, every camp is in reality a transit camp except a true execution center like Czerwony bor. (if that existed). Selections could be for a huge number of reasons; this happens in the army all the time, especially when they want volunteers. Most of the selections I have read in regards to the nazi camps were to do with work placements and initially sex segregation and children. This happened in modern times at the Mexico border under the Policy of Mr Trump. This segregation is more to divide and conquer though extremely upsetting for those who were victims. |
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Post by been_there on Nov 21, 2021 20:28:41 GMT
...It appears that selections of some sort were a function of every camp; it is just that some camps had gas chambers thrown into the mix depending on how the "narrative" needs modifying. On this basis one cannot correlate selections with gas chambers. Been-there does not understand that. He thinks anyone selected means there is now evidence a camp is a transit camp. Oh boy!! ๐คฆโโ๏ธ๐ Strawman miscomprehension, yet again. Yitzhak Arad made abundantly clear in an email correspondence to Eric Hunt that the mythology he believed and promulgated was that ALL Jews transported to T2 were killed and buried there. ALL of them! None escaped it! NONE! And that was because he claimed it was there ONLY for exterminating Jews. Didnโt you know that? And most of the other lie-witnesses and Joo-ish โhistoriansโ perpetuated and published that lie until revisionists exposed the deception. Otherwise name and quote Wiernik, Rachman or any of the most high-profile โsurvivorsโ and โhistoriansโ describing anytime before the Zรผndel trial, anything coherent and non-contradictory about work selections at T2 and transits onwards of Jews. ๐ค |
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Post by Velรฒhaven on Nov 21, 2021 22:58:42 GMT
Yitzhak Arad made abundantly clear in an email correspondence to Eric Hunt that the mythology he believed and promulgated was that ALL Jews transported to T2 were killed and buried there. ALL of them! None escaped it! NONE! And that was because he claimed it was there ONLY for exterminating Jews. Didnโt you know that? And most of the other lie-witnesses and Joo-ish โhistoriansโ perpetuated and published that lie until revisionists exposed the deception. ๐ค This is correct; even today Holocaust.cz has the following to say: Of course Yankel Wiernik was not killed as wiki tells the world. This is quite clear except for the testimony of Marian Olszuk: and The testimony of this man is quite at odds with the description given by "official" sources. |
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Post by Nessie on Nov 22, 2021 8:51:51 GMT
Been-there does not understand that. He thinks anyone selected means there is now evidence a camp is a transit camp. Oh boy!! ๐คฆโโ๏ธ๐ Strawman miscomprehension, yet again. Yitzhak Arad made abundantly clear in an email correspondence to Eric Hunt that the mythology he believed and promulgated was that ALL Jews transported to T2 were killed and buried there. ALL of them! None escaped it! NONE! And that was because he claimed it was there ONLY for exterminating Jews. Didnโt you know that? And most of the other lie-witnesses and Joo-ish โhistoriansโ perpetuated and published that lie until revisionists exposed the deception. Otherwise name and quote Wiernik, Rachman or any of the most high-profile โsurvivorsโ and โhistoriansโ describing anytime before the Zรผndel trial, anything coherent and non-contradictory about work selections at T2 and transits onwards of Jews. ๐ค Arad and any other historian was wrong to claim all died. It was not a lie exposed by revisionists. That people had arrived at TII and been selected top work and left to go to other Polish labour camps became known when the documentary by Claude Lanzmann "Shoah" was released in 1985. It contains some of the interviews Eric Hunt then used in his documentaries where he argued TII was a transit camp. As the USHMM and various historians interviewed more and more witnesses, more details about what had happened emerged. The study of history is an ongoing process, and when an event is as large as WWII and the Holocaust, it is going to take decades to gather evidence.
Now, most historians should know about the selections that took place at TII.
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Post by Nessie on Nov 22, 2021 9:02:39 GMT
Yitzhak Arad made abundantly clear in an email correspondence to Eric Hunt that the mythology he believed and promulgated was that ALL Jews transported to T2 were killed and buried there. ALL of them! None escaped it! NONE! And that was because he claimed it was there ONLY for exterminating Jews. Didnโt you know that? And most of the other lie-witnesses and Joo-ish โhistoriansโ perpetuated and published that lie until revisionists exposed the deception. ๐ค This is correct; even today Holocaust.cz has the following to say: Of course Yankel Wiernik was not killed as wiki tells the world. This is quite clear except for the testimony of Marian Olszuk: and The testimony of this man is quite at odds with the description given by "official" sources. The way different sources chose to describe what happened, and where they got their information from, is of course going to result in a variance in details. But the source you quote agrees with Wiernik, in that people were selected to work; "Jewish prisoners who worked there in carpentry, cobblers' and metal-working workshops." and with Olszuk about trading with the locals; "... collect and classify any valuables, which were then vigorously traded by Germans, Ukrainians and the local population."
As more detail has come to light about what happened inside TII, our knowledge has improved. What is important, is that no evidence has been found to back up revisionist claims about there being no gassings inside TII.
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