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Post by mrolonzo on Dec 4, 2021 17:52:15 GMT
None of that is particularly real. There you go, with the mantra that there is no evidence for gassings. Its not a mantra, its just being sensible.
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 8, 2021 5:53:44 GMT
Nessie wrote:
First rule of evidence: "Is it possible?". Can a brick building stand several atm of pressure? No, it can't. Can a Menck & Hambrock dragline dig 10-12 meter deep and 25-30 meter wide pits with no auxiliary equipment? No, it can't. Can draglines be used to exhume whole human bodies? No, they can't. Can hundreds of thousands of cadavers be cremated with twigs, or brush or camp detritus? No, they can't. If it wasn't possible, it didn't happen. Nessie argues that, "It happened therefore there are no impossibilities". You betcha', and the little boy rode his tricycle to the moon.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Dec 8, 2021 6:31:08 GMT
This is the apparent dragline to do the deed.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 8, 2021 15:22:06 GMT
Nessie wrote: First rule of evidence: "Is it possible?". Why do you not apply that rule to claims about the mass resettlement of millions of Jews, supposedly not gassed? Which logically means, dismiss the claims of vacuums. That still leaves the numerous witness claims about the use of engine exhaust fumes. Any pressure issues that may cause, can be easily dealt with, by a simple hinged valve, which a document records was installed in the Chelmno gas vans. That logically means either another excavator was used, or there was auxiliary equipment, or the witnesses overestimated the size of the graves. That logically means another excavator was used, or you are taking the witnesses far too literally. [quote Can hundreds of thousands of cadavers be cremated with twigs, or brush or camp detritus? No, they can't. [/quote] That logically means more wood was used than some witness descriptives suggest. The argument of if there is evidence it happened, then was possible, is logical. Your various arguments are just forms of the logical fallacies of argument from incredulity and ignorance. Just because you cannot work out how it happened, from the way witnesses describe what happened and you find it too incredible to believe, does not therefore mean it did not happen.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 8, 2021 15:25:06 GMT
This is the apparent dragline to do the deed.
It has been assumed those types of excavator were used to dig the graves at TII. In fact, all we know for sure is they were used when the camp was demolished and planted over, in 1943. The various photos show excavators next to piles of earth.
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 8, 2021 16:11:15 GMT
Nessie wrote:
Millions of people were displaced by the war.
Here's Nessie and his litany of "coulda, woulda, shoulda". The fact remains that both Rajchman and Bomba claimed that the gas chambers were also vacuum chambers. If it were the opposite, Nessie would be claiming that Rajchman's testimony was corroborated by Bomba's. Same with the hermetically sealed gas chambers. The testimony of Rosenbaum is corroborated by numerous other witnesses. Nessie "fixes" that by saying that the gas chamber "coulda" and "shoulda" been vented.
Another application of "coulda, woulda, shoulda" from Nessie. ARC, HC, CS-C et al. claim that the graves were dug with the machines from the T-I quarry. I said:
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Logically that means that the witnesses were lying.
Nessie takes the religious approach to the holyhoax. "You must believe in order to understand". If you believe the official narrative then all of the bizarre tales can be rationalized. The little boy "coulda" rode his tricycle to the moon.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 8, 2021 18:24:25 GMT
... Here's Nessie and his litany of "coulda, woulda, shoulda". The fact remains that both Rajchman and Bomba claimed that the gas chambers were also vacuum chambers. Actually, Rajchman claimed an attempt was made to pump air out, but it failed and Bomba said he thought the chamber was used as a vacuum, but then gas was used. Your ignorance of the details is why you think both claimed a vacuum and nothing else. You are wrong. If most of the witnesses said the chambers did use a vacuum, logically that meant the Nazis built a chambers strong enough to cope. The opposite is the case. A witness states very clearly the vacuum did not work, and gas was used. That clearly caused a rumour about a vacuum, since the likes of Bomba did not see it happen. Logically, since the Nazis got the gas chambers to work, they must have figured out how to deal with any pressure issues. Wrong, you cannot definitively prove they lied, purely because they described less wood than expected, was used. They can be rationalised, because the witnesses are behaving like most witnesses do. You are ignorant of witness behaviour, so you think witnesses exaggerating, making mistakes, misremembering, using emotive language etc is odd. It is not. It is normal, especially when a witness is upset and describing something they have been traumatised by and feel ashamed of. You are being very stupid, thinking you can determine physical possibility from how a witness describes how they think something worked, especially witnesses who did not see how it worked. Logic tells us that physical possibility is determined by the construction and engineering capabilities of the Nazis at that time. Not how witnesses describe how they think something worked.
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Post by ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐ณ๐ง๐จ๐๐ซ on Dec 8, 2021 18:29:20 GMT
Off topic posts have been removed to Gibberish and posters warned. Repeating the mantra on "evidencing" is off topic. Repeating the "where did they go" spiel after warnings will result in "time out" to reflect. Take heed of the following rules. ๐ฆ๐๐ฎ๐ ๐ผ๐ป ๐๐ผ๐ฝ๐ถ๐ฐ. ๐๐ผ ๐ป๐ผ๐ ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐๐ฎ๐บ๐ฒ ๐บ๐ฎ๐ป๐๐ฟ๐ฎ ๐๐ป๐น๐ฒ๐๐ ๐ฎ๐๐ธ๐ฒ๐ฑ ๐ณ๐ผ๐ฟ ๐ฐ๐น๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ถ๐ณ๐ถ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป. ๐๐ผ ๐ป๐ผ๐ ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ฎ๐ถ๐น. ๐๐ณ ๐๐ผ๐ ๐ต๐ฎ๐๐ฒ ๐ป๐ผ๐๐ต๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐ป๐ฒ๐ ๐๐ผ ๐๐ฎ๐ ๐๐ต๐ฒ๐ป ๐ถ๐ ๐ถ๐ ๐ฏ๐ฒ๐๐ ๐๐ผ ๐๐ฎ๐ ๐ป๐ผ๐๐ต๐ถ๐ป๐ด. ๐๐ป๐ฒ๐ฒ ๐ท๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ธ ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฝ๐น๐ถ๐ฒ๐ ๐ป๐ผ๐ ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐ฝ๐๐ฎ๐ฏ๐น๐ฒ.
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