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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Dec 1, 2021 11:30:01 GMT
Wiernik also described people being left inside the gas chambers to suffocate. So now they have morphed into "suffocation chambers" due to depletion of oxygen from respiration. Why all the crap about exhausts and Soviet motors etc if this works. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 1, 2021 13:53:05 GMT
Wiernik also described people being left inside the gas chambers to suffocate. So now they have morphed into "suffocation chambers" due to depletion of oxygen from respiration. Why all the crap about exhausts and Soviet motors etc if this works. No, read what they witnesses said. They are clear that sometimes people were left to suffocate, but the usual process was gassings. |
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 1, 2021 15:04:38 GMT
Nessie wrote:
We have and the claims of Wiernik and Rajchnan are ridiculous and beyond laughable. Anyone who actually claims to believe such claptrap no doubt believes that fairies live down at the bottom of the garden.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 1, 2021 15:22:48 GMT
Nessie wrote: We have and the claims of Wiernik and Rajchnan are ridiculous and beyond laughable. Anyone who actually claims to believe such claptrap no doubt believes that fairies live down at the bottom of the garden. That is the unevidenced opinion, of someone who exhibits great bias, so it can be dismissed as unimportant. The fair and honest test of truthfulness (which is different from credibility and reliability), is to look at the evidence. |
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 1, 2021 15:37:22 GMT
Right, and where is your evidence that the gas chambers as described by Wiernik and Rajchman actually existed?
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Post by Nessie on Dec 2, 2021 15:55:44 GMT
Right, and where is your evidence that the gas chambers as described by Wiernik and Rajchman actually existed? How many times do I need to show you the same evidence I have been showing you for months, if not years? |
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Dec 2, 2021 17:49:02 GMT
Right, and where is your evidence that the gas chambers as described by Wiernik and Rajchman actually existed? How many times do I need to show you the same evidence I have been showing you for months, if not years? It can be concluded then apart from a few stories and some rubble found where people say gas chambers were there is nothing. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 2, 2021 17:57:57 GMT
How many times do I need to show you the same evidence I have been showing you for months, if not years? It can be concluded then apart from a few stories and some rubble found where people say gas chambers were there is nothing. A reminder that so many claims were made that there was hardly any evidence for TII being a death camp, that I started a thread on old RODOH in June 2019, listing that evidence
Details and links here;
Stop pretending there are only a few stories and some rubble. That is very dishonest of you.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Dec 2, 2021 18:05:31 GMT
Stop pretending there are only a few stories and some rubble. That is very dishonest of you. Apart from a few stories and rubble, a few bone shards, there is nothing to suggest this camp was anything other than a normal camp, a judenlager. Despite all the wild claims the evidence presented is a thin as the air one can breath. The closer one looks the quicker the illusions vanish. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 2, 2021 19:51:54 GMT
Stop pretending there are only a few stories and some rubble. That is very dishonest of you. Apart from a few stories and rubble, a few bone shards, there is nothing to suggest this camp was anything other than a normal camp, a judenlager. Despite all the wild claims the evidence presented is a thin as the air one can breath. The closer one looks the quicker the illusions vanish. There were numerous witnesses, Nazis and Jews inside the camp, plus Poles outside, plus multiple documents proving mass transports to the camp, plus large areas of disturbed ground containing cremated and other human remains, plus the supporting evidence of AR.
The only person you are fooling with the claim there is little evidence, is you and those who want to believe no gassings. You are deflecting for the genuine lack of any evidence of any alternative.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Dec 2, 2021 20:17:12 GMT
There were numerous witnesses, Nazis and Jews inside the camp, plus Poles outside, plus multiple documents proving mass transports to the camp, plus large areas of disturbed ground containing cremated and other human remains, plus the supporting evidence of AR. MantraThe only person you are fooling with the claim there is little evidence, is you and those who want to believe no gassings. You are deflecting for the genuine lack of any evidence of any alternative. As the camp (current TII) was used by the Soviets as an artillery bombing range one would expect ground disturbances. Your witnesses have made unverifiable outrageous statements in direct conflict with others like Marian Olszuk who worked in the area, spoke to the guards and saw nothing untoward. It has been explained quite a few times that human remains are bound to be found in any camp setting; it was made clear that Aktion 14F13 took place here as at Sobibor. The oldies were taken away and shot. |
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Post by mrolonzo on Dec 4, 2021 0:16:50 GMT
Absolute rubbish, head shaving, new clothes, property confiscation is clearly in accordance with re settlement. Please evidence the c860,000 people sent to TII were given new clothes there.
Please evidence that they did not need the underwear, glasses, walking sticks, suitcases etc that were taken from them, for resettlement. Surely those basic personal items are needed for resettlement.
It doesnt matter if its evidenced or not, the point is that these acts are in fact in line with resettlement, contrary to your view. A large group of various people will naturally discard items they have taken along as they go along. |
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Post by mrolonzo on Dec 4, 2021 0:17:50 GMT
They certainly say they saw things, but thats about it. There is corroborating evidence from documents, Poles who lived and worked nearby to the camp, physical finds at the camp site and from what Action Reinhardt involved. None of that is particularly real. |
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Post by mrolonzo on Dec 4, 2021 0:19:32 GMT
Nessie wrote: We have and the claims of Wiernik and Rajchnan are ridiculous and beyond laughable. Anyone who actually claims to believe such claptrap no doubt believes that fairies live down at the bottom of the garden. That is the unevidenced opinion, of someone who exhibits great bias, so it can be dismissed as unimportant. The fair and honest test of truthfulness (which is different from credibility and reliability), is to look at the evidence. Yes, these statements have been looked at in the context of the evidence and found wanting. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 4, 2021 10:30:46 GMT
Please evidence the c860,000 people sent to TII were given new clothes there.
Please evidence that they did not need the underwear, glasses, walking sticks, suitcases etc that were taken from them, for resettlement. Surely those basic personal items are needed for resettlement.
It doesnt matter if its evidenced or not... Yes it does matter, a lot. If you cannot evidence the issuing of new clothing and basic provisions to those people, then that is yet another example of an unevidenced claim about them not being gassed. It is a mantra, often repeated, that there is insufficient evidence to back up claims of gassings. But that mantra ignores much of the evidence for gassings and then glosses over that there really is no evidence to back up claims of no gassings. |
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