Wiernik, Rajchman and atrocities

Of course gas chambers were and are possible.  Jet planes are commonplace but claiming that someone built a 747 from scratch in his home workshop using no tools but a hammer isn't believable.  That doesn't mean that jet planes don't exist but it does mean that the guy who claimed to have built a 747 is either lying or hallucinating.  If you want to prove that gas chambers were used to murder Jews at T-II then you need a credible witness to give an accurate description of the gas chamber and how the Jews were gassed.  Claiming that witness accounts are irrelevant because gas chambers are known exist is a weasel dodge.    

It isn't about what the Germans "coulda" done. It's about what they DID. The Germans DID build gas chambers and they weren't anything like what was described by the alleged witnesses. Claiming that it "coulda" happened is nothing but horse frocky. Claiming that how a witness described how the gas chamber functioned wasn't a "determining factor" in whether or not homicidal gassing took place is just piling the horse frocky deeper.

This might be true if there were independent evidence of the existence of these items; the only evidence are the witnesses themselves who make fantastical claims and contradict one another.

This in conjunction with the obvious morphing of the stories to make the fantastic claims appear more plausible would strongly suggest that what is described is a different beast altogether.

In 1987 Yitzhak Arad quoted a report from the Underground Resistance Movement dating Nov 42 describing the use of "steam chambers". He brazenly changed the words to gas chambers in his book. He eliminates the witness statements that disagree with the official narrative. Such witness statements include the use of chlorine, black vapors and collapsible floors.

The chambers would have to hold 13 people to every square metre (27cm² each). While Arad was not a personal witness he was quoting statements albeit selectively from eye witnesses.

The existence of building remains is not evidence of gas chambers, only evidence that a building thought to be a gas chamber existed.

Seems any regular building would do for a good gassing. Any building is a gas chamber. It seems that Turnagain has explained this in detail but obviously ignored. There were no engineers of sophistication at these places; if there were the ad hoc gum and shoelace methods would not have been adopted.

What it seems like is very primitive methods that an uneducated country bum might perceive at the time; designed to fit into the lack of imagination of similarly educated readers. This is the gas chamber and funeral pyre equivalent of a "cargo cult".

The first real gassing was in the United States (Gee Jon) in 1924, which was reported world wide; the gas chamber used was left to the imaginations of the readers.

First attempt


They put in a wooden chair with straps to hold Gee Jon.



This took 1.8 kg of liquid Hydrogen Cyanide in a 25 cubic metre space (11 x 10 x 8 ft)

To these witnesses, every shower block, every morgue, every unused house was a gas chamber; they saw gas chambers or related instruments of death in the trees, in the clouds, under the ground, every bush and every railway line.

There is such conflicting opinion as to the locations of these gas chambers, the construction and methods of operation that it is impossible to determine which one is real, if any.

Take for example this witness version of the Treblinka II camp layout:



The Wiernik maps has quite a different layout to the Rumanian one.


Note the relative position of the main railway line which is on the wrong side of the camp.

The Moszek Laks map is as follows


While Oneg Szabat gives the world this treasure:


As any person with normal vision and mental acuity can discern, locating the gas chambers from these works of cartography would be more than a little challenging. These are just vague references. Sadly Nessies argument that buildings could be located in a "certain place" is somewhat void if not vacant.


The readers can decide on the technical competence of the poster. The State of Nevada discovered that pumping cyanide into a room did not work, as the man had to be executed at another time.

The highlighted above is just a repetition with no substance.

I thought the idea of dismembering the corpses was a great idea, but somehow, Nessie does not believe that eye witness. That eye witness said that 500 people were pushed INTO the ovens, not onto. It is clear he is talking about physical krema ovens and not outside pyres.

Here is a map of the Polish rail network in the 30s.


The railway line from Warsaw to Bialystok is highlighted in yellow, the TII camp is a red dot on the Malkinia to Bialystok line. The TII camp in a northerly aspect has the Malkinia-Siedlce railway line or road several hundred metres to the right

Here is a copy of Wierniks map, which Nessie correctly said shows the alleged extermination area.



One can assume the arrow means North. However, the map indicates the railway track (Tor kolejawy) which clearly indicates the Warsaw Bialystok line and NOT the Malkinia -Siedlce line which TII was allegedly on. This track was ripped up quite a few years post war.

Wiernik drew this map in 1944, after his dramatic escape from the TII "extermination camp"; I have superimposed Wierniks map onto the Polish rail map to get the perspective. Wierniks railway lines are in green, these merge into the Warsaw-Bialystok line which he claims was next to this camp. This also shows the camps orientation; his arrow is about 10⁰ NE which is within reason.


Wiernik has this camp in the wrong location, unless he is referring to the Malkinia camp.