What convinced you that what people are taught about the Holocaust is wrong?

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What convinced you that what people are taught about the Holocaust is wrong?

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Hi all,

What was it about Holocaust revisionism that convinced you that the Holocaust never happened?

The Wikipedia article about evidence for the Holocaust lists the following:
Contemporary documents, including a wide variety of "letters, memos, blueprints, orders, bills, speeches," Holocaust train schedules, statistical summaries generated by the SS and photographs, including official photographs, clandestine photographs by survivors, aerial photographs, and film footage of the liberation of the camps. More than 3,000 tons of records were collected for the Nuremberg trials.

Later testimony from tens of thousands of eyewitnesses, such as survivors including Sonderkommandos who directly witnessed the extermination process, perpetrators such as Nazi leaders, SS guards and commandants, and local townspeople. Virtually none of the perpetrators put on trial denied the reality of the systematic murder.
Material evidence in the form of concentration and extermination camps, which still exist with various amounts of the original structure preserved, and thousands of mass graves containing the corpses of Holocaust victims.

Circumstantial evidence: during World War II the population of Jews in German-occupied Europe was reduced by about six million. About 2.7 million Jews were deported to Auschwitz-Birkenau, Kulmhof extermination camp, and the Operation Reinhard camps never to be seen or heard from again.

The perpetrators attempted to avoid creating explicit evidence and tried to destroy the documentary and material evidence of their crimes before the German defeat. Nevertheless, much of the evidence was preserved and collected by Allied investigators during and after the war. Collectively, the evidence refutes the arguments of Holocaust deniers that the Holocaust did not occur as described in historical scholarship.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_ ... _Holocaust

Do you deny any of that evidence? If so, what evidence would you accept as proof that the Holocaust happened?

Isn’t denying that the Holocaust happened denying historical facts?

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Re: What convinced you that what people are taught about the Holocaust is wrong?

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DenialDenier wrote:
What was it about Holocaust revisionism that convinced you that the Holocaust never happened?
The utter impossibilities and completely idiotic claims made by the so-called eyewitnesses to the holyhoax. That and the fact that nobody has ever found any mass graves or tons of human cremains at the so-called extermination camps.

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Turnagain wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 3:47 pm
DenialDenier wrote:
What was it about Holocaust revisionism that convinced you that the Holocaust never happened?
Note that the start of this thread is similar to the following:
Asher Israel wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:29 am
Hello,
I came across this forum after researching Holocaust denial. I have read a few threads on the first page of this section of the forum and it appears that some users deny what happened at Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka death camps.
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WillDak wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:09 pm
Hello Mr. Hunt. I would like to thank you for all the hard work you put into exposing the holohoax. Like you, I was brainwashed during my school years to believe the physically impossible big-lies about mass murder and mass cremation at camps like Belzec and Treblinka.
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Wolf123 wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:40 am
Hi Turnagain. I have watched the interviews from the Eric Hunt and none of them deny that gas chambers were used at Treblinka and none of them mention that they were sent to other camps because of a resettlement policy .
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TreesAreGreen wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:23 pm
David Irving, David Cole, etc, have all admitted that the Holocaust happened.

There doesn’t seem to be any Holocaust revisionists conversing with historians about the Holocaust, why not?
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The Jewish Man wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 1:46 pm
What is the evidence that Treblinka was a transit camp?

I know of people who lost their relatives at Treblinka.
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Enigma Charlie wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:51 am
Hey everyone,

This is my first post so please bear with me.

What are some must-read books to read? Whether the books are about philosophy, history, nationalism, etc, I’m not too bothered; I just want to know what books you consider are essential to be read.
There are more names but these are enough, but the common theme is the appearance of a new poster after a banning, albeit temporary with the similar initial post as quoted above; questions are posited to appear that the poster is not familiar with the holocaust. In all cases this facade quickly disappears as it did with Asher Israel to side with the hoaxers and to hurl abuse. The above people are all one and the same doppelganger.

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Turnagain wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 3:47 pm
DenialDenier wrote:
What was it about Holocaust revisionism that convinced you that the Holocaust never happened?
The utter impossibilities and completely idiotic claims made by the so-called eyewitnesses to the holyhoax. That and the fact that nobody has ever found any mass graves or tons of human cremains at the so-called extermination camps.
What impossibilities?

Millions of Jews were sent to Nazi camps and were never seen or heard from again.

Why would there be tons of human cremains when the bodies were gassed and then cremated?

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DenialDenier wrote: Millions of Jews were sent to Nazi camps and were never seen or heard from again.
This is not in response to DD who I suspect is a doppelganger. For interested people read on.

4.6 million jüdische (individual) reparation claims made. Obviously many survived the war.
Why would there be tons of human cremains when the bodies were gassed and then cremated?
This is the point there are not tonnes of human cremains anywhere. There were typhus epidemics.
Btw if juden perished at the rate of other ethnic groups in this theatre of conflict as the other 70 million or so did, there would be an expected 1.2 million deaths; most of those who died in this war were not cremated. Juden in camps were under protective custody; these people did not face the full horrors of the war, unlike their counterparts in Belarus SSR who did face the Einsatzgruppen for partizans activity. All ethnicities and religious groups suffered greatly; juden probably fared better than most. In Germany hundreds of thousands of civilians died as a result of bombing raids, firebombings etc; the Soviet Union murdered 250 thousand juden in Kurapaty, another 20 thousand at Vilnitsia just prior to the German occupation of these places; strangely enough at these exact places the same number of murders are attributed to the Germans.
More research needed DD before generalized assumptions are made.

Suggesting dead bodies are gassed before cremation is rather ridiculous assumption btw. However, there is no evidence presented to this forum a single jüdische person ever died by gas in any Reich territory; all just tall stories.

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DenialDenier wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 5:42 pm
Turnagain wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 3:47 pm
DenialDenier wrote:
...nobody has ever found any mass graves or tons of human cremains at the so-called extermination camps.
Why would there be tons of human cremains when the bodies were gassed and then cremated?
Why would alleged millions of cremated human bodies create “tons of human cremains”?? :o :?
That is a genuine question!?” :o

Holy moly!

What else would cremations create if not cremains?

The low level of intelligence and paucity of comprehension is staggering!
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been-there wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:42 pm
DenialDenier wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 5:42 pm
Turnagain wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 3:47 pm
DenialDenier wrote:
...nobody has ever found any mass graves or tons of human cremains at the so-called extermination camps.
Why would there be tons of human cremains when the bodies were gassed and then cremated?
Why would alleged millions of cremated human bodies create “tons of human cremains”?? :o :?
That is a genuine question!?” :o

Holy moly!

What else would cremations create if not cremains?

The low level of intelligence and paucity of comprehension is staggering!
The bodies were burned. What do you think happens after a body has been burned?

Human remains have been found where Treblinka once was anyway.

Thanks for your insults buddy, you are such a nice person! :roll:

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DenialDenier wrote:
The bodies were burned. What do you think happens after a body has been burned?
After cremation, the soft tissue has been burned leaving the carbonized bones and teeth. Bones and teeth weigh from 3 to 9 lbs; average 6 lbs per cadaver. Carbonized bones must be crushed into a granular substance called "cremains", otherwise the bones and teeth retain their form. At a crematorium a specialized ball mill or something similar crushes the carbonized bones. At Treblinka it's claimed that the bones were spread out on sheets of tin and workers pounded them to cremains with wooden sticks. Pulverizing the teeth would be especially difficult since open pyres using wood for fuel doesn't achieve temperatures high enough to carbonize the teeth.

Allegedly, there were ~840,000 Jews and Gypsies gassed and cremated at Treblinka. That would result in 5,040,000 lbs of cremains or a little over 2,500 (2,520) short tons of cremains. Those cremains were supposedly thrown back into the pit(s) from which they were exhumed. Cremains don't degrade so if they were ever placed in the grave(s) then they're still there. Nobody has ever offered proof that those cremains or even the pits ever existed.

I trust that answers your question about cremains, DD.

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DenialDenier wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:53 pm
been-there wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:42 pm
DenialDenier wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 5:42 pm
Turnagain wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 3:47 pm
DenialDenier wrote:
...nobody has ever found any mass graves or tons of human cremains at the so-called extermination camps.
Why would there be tons of human cremains when the bodies were gassed and then cremated?
Why would alleged millions of cremated human bodies create “tons of human cremains”?? :o :?
That is a genuine question!?” :o

Holy moly!

What else would cremations create if not cremains?

The low level of intelligence and paucity of comprehension is staggering!
The bodies were burned. What do you think happens after a body has been burned?
Wow! The level of questions of cult-like believers has sunk to this extremely low level?

Now we have to explain what happens to bodies when they have been burnt?? :?

Further proof that this level of delusional belief is literally a form of mental derangement!
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DenialDenier wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:53 pm
The bodies were burned. What do you think happens after a body has been burned?
This is a nice adaptation of "where did they go"; perhaps they went to heaven or just circling the earth in a wisp of smoke.
Human remains have been found where Treblinka once was anyway.
So has uncle Ezras ashes from last month and KFC drumsticks.
Thanks for your insults buddy, you are such a nice person! :roll:
Insults are for free, but the last highlighted comment needs evidencing. :mrgreen:

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