Proving/Disproving the Holocaust in less than an hour

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Re: Proving/Disproving the Holocaust in less than an hour

Post by Nessie » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:23 pm

SnakeDoctor wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:55 pm
So the Nazis were just being prudent gassing all of these people. Let's make all of these detainment camps not to house and feed prisoners but to gas them. In addition to being prudent they were also just lazy about the consequences except for digging up, cremating, then burying those cremains back in the original burial grounds. Got it
Stop dodging my question, what takes more resources?

1 - keeping 6 million people alive, accommodated, fed and clothed (many who could not work), starting with the 33,771 Jews reported shot at Babi Yar in September 1941 to the end of the war. If, as some deniers claim, they were not shot, then potentially many were kept by the Nazis for the next 3 to 4 years before liberation.

2 - shooting and gassing those people.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Re: Proving/Disproving the Holocaust in less than an hour

Post by SnakeDoctor » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:29 pm

You could ask the same question for the soviets? Or the Americans detaining the Japanese? Or any other POW situation? Why not just gas them?

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Re: Proving/Disproving the Holocaust in less than an hour

Post by Nessie » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:47 pm

SnakeDoctor wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:29 pm
You could ask the same question for the soviets? Or the Americans detaining the Japanese? Or any other POW situation? Why not just gas them?
There is no evidence, let alone any allegation the Soviets or Americans gassed those in their custody, including POWs. Now, stop dodging my question, what takes more resources?

1 - keeping 6 million people alive, accommodated, fed and clothed (many who could not work), starting with the 33,771 Jews reported shot at Babi Yar in September 1941 to the end of the war. If, as some deniers claim, they were not shot, then potentially many were kept by the Nazis for the next 3 to 4 years before liberation.

2 - shooting and gassing those people.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Re: Proving/Disproving the Holocaust in less than an hour

Post by SnakeDoctor » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:26 pm

Considering there were emaciated survivors who had not been gassed or had died from typhus or shot or gassed after the war, it seems there was an effort to keep theses prisoners alive against all odds. Inspite of the transportation routes being carpet bombed and German cities.

I will concede it would be easier to gas or shoot these prisoners OR resettle them somewhere where they wouldn't be a responsibility.

But now we're back to square 1 again.

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Re: Proving/Disproving the Holocaust in less than an hour

Post by SnakeDoctor » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:52 pm

I'll ask you a question. What's more likely?

Germans had no remorse or value for human life and disposed of millions of people?

Or they spent time and resources housing, feeding them, and delousing them to keep them alive until it was no longer possible for them to do so towards the end of the war because the resources weren't there and there was no way to get food to the prisoners and as a result thousands and even hundreds of thousands perished through disease and malnutrition?

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Re: Proving/Disproving the Holocaust in less than an hour

Post by Turnagain » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:33 pm

At one time there were records of the trains departing from Treblinka along with passenger manifests. Those records were destroyed (some say lost) and Nessie claims that the record of trains leaving Treblinka is dependent on what Zabecki, the Polish intelligence operative/partisan said about the trains. No matter how improbable the tales of Zabecki, Nessie declares that Zabecki's "records" of trains arriving full and leaving empty are accurate.

Zabecki claimed that the number of prisoners in each railcar was chalked on the side of the car. He supposedly recorded those numbers and gave an "accurate" total number of prisoners sent to Treblinka as 1,200,000. Perhaps he just made a (heh-heh) little "mistake". There is at least one other witness, a German train engineer who also claims that the trains were empty when they departed Treblinka.

Neither one of those stalwarts mentioned the the thousands of deportees who left Treblinka with the Spielberg witnesses who claimed to have left Treblinka alive and in good health. Then there's the five deportees from the USHMM records who left Treblinka alive and in good health along with an unknown number of fellow deportees. That's about 20-25 trains that left Treblinka with passengers that the alleged eyewitnesses somehow missed. Perhaps they missed seeing those trains. Or, made a little "mistake". Or somepin'.

Nessie claims that there's no records for foodstuffs or accommodations for the deportees but conveniently omits any such records for deportees sent to Budzyn, Majdanek or Auschwitz. Neither does he account for the five deportees who were transferred to numerous camps after leaving Treblinka. Oh well, that doesn't fit Nessie's narrative so forget about it.

No cremains, no graves, no holyhoax. Finito. End of story.

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Re: Proving/Disproving the Holocaust in less than an hour

Post by Huntinger » Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:26 am

Turnagain wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:33 pm

Nessie claims that there's no records for foodstuffs or accommodations for the deportees but conveniently omits any such records for deportees sent to Budzyn, Majdanek or Auschwitz. Neither does he account for the five deportees who were transferred to numerous camps after leaving Treblinka. Oh well, that doesn't fit Nessie's narrative so forget about it.

So it seems we have an ultra top secret extermination camp, run by a few SS, (not SD) and Ukrainian guards with no education who happened to dispose of thousands and thousands of cadavers. Uneducated guards knew magyk methods of body disposal. However, they put a few on a train, quite a few on several trains to go elsewhere without the snuff powder. The highly secret project was so good that only Juden could figure it out. Oooooh those evul Narzees. Jude exposed their evil deeds when no one else could.
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Re: Proving/Disproving the Holocaust in less than an hour

Post by been-there » Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:46 am

Turnagain wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:33 pm
At one time there were records of the trains departing from Treblinka along with passenger manifests. Those records were destroyed (some say lost) and Nessie claims that the record of trains leaving Treblinka is dependent on what Zabecki, the Polish intelligence operative/partisan said about the trains. No matter how improbable the tales of Zabecki, Nessie declares that Zabecki's "records" of trains arriving full and leaving empty are accurate.

Zabecki claimed that the number of prisoners in each railcar was chalked on the side of the car. He supposedly recorded those numbers and gave an "accurate" total number of prisoners sent to Treblinka as 1,200,000. Perhaps he just made a (heh-heh) little "mistake". There is at least one other witness, a German train engineer who also claims that the trains were empty when they departed Treblinka.

Neither one of those stalwarts mentioned the the thousands of deportees who left Treblinka with the Spielberg witnesses who claimed to have left Treblinka alive and in good health. Then there's the five deportees from the USHMM records who left Treblinka alive and in good health along with an unknown number of fellow deportees. That's about 20-25 trains that left Treblinka with passengers that the alleged eyewitnesses somehow missed. Perhaps they missed seeing those trains. Or, made a little "mistake". Or somepin'.

Nessie claims that there's no records for foodstuffs or accommodations for the deportees but conveniently omits any such records for deportees sent to Budzyn, Majdanek or Auschwitz. Neither does he account for the five deportees who were transferred to numerous camps after leaving Treblinka. Oh well, that doesn't fit Nessie's narrative so forget about it.

No cremains, no graves, no holyhoax. Finito. End of story.
Great reply!

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Re: Proving/Disproving the Holocaust in less than an hour

Post by SnakeDoctor » Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:15 am

As you get older you start to notice patterns. That pattern is projection. Any European who is even cognizant of their own history and has mild tribal affiliations or is concerned about their own interests at all is called a White Supremacist. Yet their whole religion and culture is about their race being God's Chosen People. In their mythology Nazis use helpless Jews as target practice and use their women as sex slaves. In reality they use Palestinian children as target practice while ethnically cleansing the land. They use European women as sex slaves, call them shiksas and promote every sort of degeneracy imaginable in our societies. They murder millions in Russia and subvert whole societies, starving millions during the Holodomor and then have the nerve to cry about being detained as racial and political partisans. Not only that, they invent atrocities, develop a whole new religion out of it and milk it presumably indefinitely. They have their own ethnostate as a result of both world wars while at the same time pushing for open borders in every European nation on the planet. That old Polish proverb rings true it would seem.

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Re: Proving/Disproving the Holocaust in less than an hour

Post by Huntinger » Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:28 am

SnakeDoctor wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:15 am
As you get older you start to notice patterns. That pattern is projection. Any European who is even cognizant of their own history and has mild tribal affiliations or is concerned about their own interests at all is called a White Supremacist. Yet their whole religion and culture is about their race being God's Chosen People. In their mythology Nazis use helpless Jews as target practice and use their women as sex slaves. In reality they use Palestinian children as target practice while ethnically cleansing the land. They use European women as sex slaves, call them shiksas and promote every sort of degeneracy imaginable in our societies. They murder millions in Russia and subvert whole societies, starving millions during the Holodomor and then have the nerve to cry about being detained as racial and political partisans. Not only that, they invent atrocities, develop a whole new religion out of it and milk it presumably indefinitely. They have their own ethnostate as a result of both world wars while at the same time pushing for open borders in every European nation on the planet. That old Polish proverb rings true it would seem.
Du verstehst den Weg des Juden. While this is true, this alone does not prove the holocaust did not happen. The bigger picture is important but in the interim there are also details of alleged history that can be discussed. Jude know what is coming, no one can stop the tide.
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