blake121666 wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:19 pm
Nessie wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:09 pm
blake121666 wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:33 pm
Nessie wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:33 pm
Both the Polish and Staffs Uni found large areas of disturbed ground at TII.
Those areas are not precisely the same, due to changes to the camp in the intervening years with the construction of the monument and the spread of trees and other vegetation.
The aerial photo from 1944 is what the Poles found in 1945 and that shows the 2 hectares.
Nessie, 2 hectares is 2 hectares at any time. It is an area on the surface of the Earth. Tell me where on the surface of the Earth today were the Poles' 2 hectares. If you like, you may claim changes have been made to that particular surface area, but where are those 2 hectares? Was it a contiguous 2 hectares - or a sum of disjoint areas?
I already quoted you the detail, here is the whole quoted section;
""With the assistance of an expert land surveyor and witnesses, I made an exact inspection of the terrain. According to the measurements, the area of the camp is approximately 13.45 hectares and had the shape of an irregular quadrilateral. No remnants of facilities of the former death camp exist any longer. The only things that remain of the structures are: a ditch with remains of burned wooden poles protruding up, which lead into the cellar, wall bricks from the foundations of the camp's domestic economics building and the site of the well. Here and there one finds traces of the burned-out wooden poles of the fence and remains of barbed wire. There are also some sections of paved walks that remain. Nonetheless, there are still other traces that hint at the existence and functions of the camp. In the northwestern section of the area, the surface is covered for about 2 hectares by a mixture of ashes and sand. In this mixture, one finds countless human bones, often still covered with tissue remains, which are in a condition of decomposition. During the inspection, which I made with the assistance of an expert in forensic medicine, it was determined that the ashes are without any doubt of human origin (remains of cremated human bones). The examination of human skulls could discover no trace of wounding. At a distance of some 100 m, there is now an unpleasant odor of burning and decay. In the southwestern direction, a portion of the camp terrain is covered by aluminum - enamel - glass and porcelain dishes - kitchen utensils - hand luggage - rucksacks - pieces of clothing, etc. There are innumerable holes and craters on the property."
So, the northwestern part of TII and it was one area.
Then tell me EXACT corroborations between what the Poles found and what CSC found. None of this, DUH, the Poles found pits and CSC found pits. Duh. Derp derp. Surely you're not saying that the Poles 2 hectares is NOT 2 hectares anymore - but now 1 hectare?
Keep in mind that we wish to know where 700,000+ corpses were placed. The question to US is where those 700,000+ corpses were. I am well aware that was not so much a question for others - including CSC - but that is what WE HERE wish to know.
EDIT: Also keep in mind that it is YOU who is making claims about 2 hectares. It is you who keeps specifically mentioning the Poles' 2 hectares. What 2 hectares are YOU talking about - on the surface of the Earth today?
I do not have detail about exactly where the Poles excavated, so cannot match it to where Staffs Uni carried out their surveys. The point is that both surveys found at the site of TII, large areas of disturbed ground and cremated remains. That is corroboration.
You can't be this retarded. There is no 2 hectare area of 7.5m deep pits, retard.
When the Polish survey the site in 1945, they recorded a 2 hectare area that was recorded, as shown above as "a mixture of ashes and sand. In this mixture, one finds countless human bones, often still covered with tissue remains, which are in a condition of decomposition. During the inspection, which I made with the assistance of an expert in forensic medicine, it was determined that the ashes are without any doubt of human origin (remains of cremated human bones). The examination of human skulls could discover no trace of wounding."
They also excavated and found at up to 7.5m that there were buried remains;
"Numerous human remains were found by these excavations, partially still in a state of decomposition.[] The soil consists of ashes interspersed with sand, is of a dark gray color and granulous in form. During the excavations, the soil gave off an intense odor of burning and decay. At a depth of 7.5 meters the bottom was reached, which consisted of layers of unmixed sand. At this point the digging was stopped here."
CSC has investigated the area and found the pits she found. The 1 hectare concreted-over section was not investigated - nor any of the other concreted-over areas - nor the treed areas at the time. That Polish Report was mistaken about everything - including where in the camp the alleged "mixture of ashes and sand" could have been - if they even were there at all. It said "northwestern section of the area", btw, not the entire camp. You'd need to define what was meant by "the area" there, dumbo.
Don't reply with more retarded drivel. Obviously there is no 2 hectare area at the T2 site under which was mostly 7.5m deep pits. If there were, CSC would have found it.
There have been significant changes to the camp since that 1945 survey. The monument has been built, the site is no longer littered with obvious human remains, there is no more grave robbing and use of explosives, there has been a lot of growth of trees and other vegetation.
That is why the Staffs Uni survey, which was with equipment not available to the Poles in 1945, covers different parts of the camp and less remains were found.
I gave you this:
Obviously that WHOLE cleared area is only a little more than 2 hectares.
I could see if you would at least ATTEMPT to make sense of things - but you obviously won't even do that.
Nessie is obviously trolling. I asked him to specifically place the 2 hectares and he comes back with this gibberish.
Why is Nessie wasting his and everyone else's time here?
EDIT: Not only that, but it's ridiculously the case that his arguments against Revisionist arguments are ridiculous arguments that a defender of the Holocaust would never make. All he produces is nonsensical bickering - of no interest to either side.
EDIT 2: And "Staffs Uni"
(read Colls "acknowledgements"
- this was not a "Staffs Uni" project - it was her PhD project) DID NOT
find "large areas of disturbed ground and cremated remains". What was found were relatively SMALL areas of possible pits and NO "cremated remains" other than some unspecified amount seen on the surface.
The Polish and Staffs Uni work do not corroborate each other down to finding exactly the same at the camp in 1945 and again in 2011, because of all the intervening changes to the camp.
The Polish excavated into already exposed areas of human and cremated remains. Staffs Uni did not excavate and only recorded some cremated remains on the camp surface, which has been memorialised and protected from grave robbing, so is in a far more respectful state and no longer littered with decomposing remains.
Staff Uni used underground survey equipment not available to the Poles. The Poles had far greater access as there was no memorial and far less trees and other vegetation.
Both the Poles and Staffs Uni recorded large areas of disturbed ground and that there are cremated remains at TII. They corroborate each other and the witnesses who say there had been a lot of excavation to bury, then exhume, then cremate, then rebury the remains.
Denial has no explanation as to why the Nazis did that and buried cremated remains do not corroborate denial claims of no gassings and those sent to TII then left.