What did the Nazis do to the crippled, very young and elderly Jews?

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What did the Nazis do to the crippled, very young and elderly Jews?

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After being sent to the work camps, what was the fate of those who couldn't work? I believe they were gassed and burned, because that's what the majority of historians are saying. What's the holocaust denier's version?
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Re: What did the Nazis do to the crippled, very young and elderly Jews?

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Seeker777 wrote:
Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:41 am
After being sent to the work camps, what was the fate of those who couldn't work? I believe they were gassed and burned, because that's what the majority of historians are saying. What's the holocaust denier's version?
By the way, I'm new here. Hello all the reasonable people and to h*** with Nazi sympathizers :)
I think this particular Holocaust narrative only applies in any significant degree to Auschwitz. Of the 6 "death camps", I think it is only Auschwitz that employed any significant amount of selection process you allude to here. I don't think such was the case for:

1. Shooting in the East (1-2 million Jews allegedly killed)
2. Death camps, minus Auschwitz (about 2-3 million allegedly slaughtered)
3. Anywhere other than Auschwitz (maybe up to a million deaths - but probably much lower)

Can you tell me where this is claimed to have occurred other than at Auschwitz (where it is alleged that about 1 million Jews died during the war - of the 5-6 million deaths overall)?

Are you thinking that such was the case at all work camps? Why would Jews unfit to work be sent to "work camps" to begin with? I think you are thinking of only Auschwitz and should probably have limited your question to there - not all work camps.

EDIT: In fact, you should probably even further limit your claim to 1943-1944 Auschwitz. I don't think it is alleged to be the case anywhere or anytime else. Can you show such to have been the case (or that it is even seriously alleged nowadays)? Or is this too sympathetic to Nazis for you?
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Some are not nazi sympathizers but real National Socialists.

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Seeker777 wrote:
Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:41 am
After being sent to the work camps, what was the fate of those who couldn't work? I believe they were gassed and burned, because that's what the majority of historians are saying. What's the holocaust denier's version?
Many of the historians are not doing their homework. The revisionists seem to be saying they were treated well, cared for in hospitals. Children could not work but were found alive and well at the end. Many seem to have died from typhus due to the appalling conditions created by the allied bombing raids. An internal German telex message dated Sept. 4, 1943, from the chief of the Labor Allocation department of the SS Economic and Administrative Main Office (WVHA), reported that of 25,000 Jews held in Auschwitz, only 3,581 were able to work, and that all of the remaining Jewish inmates — some 21,500, or about 86 percent — were unable to work.
This is also confirmed in a secret report dated April 5, 1944, on "security measures in Auschwitz" by Oswald Pohl, head of the SS concentration camp system, to SS chief Heinrich Himmler. Pohl reported that there was a total of 67,000 inmates in the entire Auschwitz camp complex, of whom 18,000 were hospitalized or disabled. In the Auschwitz II camp (Birkenau), supposedly the main extermination center, there were 36,000 inmates, mostly female, of whom "approximately 15,000 are unable to work."
The evidence shows that Auschwitz-Birkenau was established primarily as a camp for Jews who were not able to work, including the sick and elderly, as well as for those who were temporarily awaiting assignment to other camps. That is the considered view of Dr. Arthur Butz of Northwestern University, who also says that this was an important reason for the unusually high death rate there.
More than 200,000 prisoners were transferred from Auschwitz to other camps, and about 8,000 were in the camp when it was liberated by Soviet forces. In addition, about 1,500 prisoners who had served their sentences were released, and returned to their home countries. If Auschwitz had actually been a top secret extermination center, it is difficult to believe that the German authorities would have released inmates who "knew" what was happening there.

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Vesoz wrote:
Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:58 am
Seeker777 wrote:
Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:41 am
After being sent to the work camps, what was the fate of those who couldn't work? I believe they were gassed and burned, because that's what the majority of historians are saying. What's the holocaust denier's version?
Many of the historians are not doing their homework. The revisionists seem to be saying they were treated well, cared for in hospitals.
The ones who could work were treated.
Children could not work but were found alive and well at the end.
How many? How many were from those sent to the camps in 1939-40?
Many seem to have died from typhus due to the appalling conditions created by the allied bombing raids.
There were no bombing raids over the camps in the east for much of the war.

http://www.heretical.com/miscella/rudolf.html

The worst month for typhus deaths at Auschwitz was October 1942. There were no Allied raids then. Some small raids were conducted later in 1944.
An internal German telex message dated Sept. 4, 1943, from the chief of the Labor Allocation department of the SS Economic and Administrative Main Office (WVHA), reported that of 25,000 Jews held in Auschwitz, only 3,581 were able to work, and that all of the remaining Jewish inmates — some 21,500, or about 86 percent — were unable to work.
This is also confirmed in a secret report dated April 5, 1944, on "security measures in Auschwitz" by Oswald Pohl, head of the SS concentration camp system, to SS chief Heinrich Himmler. Pohl reported that there was a total of 67,000 inmates in the entire Auschwitz camp complex, of whom 18,000 were hospitalized or disabled. In the Auschwitz II camp (Birkenau), supposedly the main extermination center, there were 36,000 inmates, mostly female, of whom "approximately 15,000 are unable to work."
What happened to those people?
The evidence shows that Auschwitz-Birkenau was established primarily as a camp for Jews who were not able to work, including the sick and elderly, as well as for those who were temporarily awaiting assignment to other camps. That is the considered view of Dr. Arthur Butz of Northwestern University, who also says that this was an important reason for the unusually high death rate there.
A professor of electrical engineering is preferred to numerous academics who are historians. Your preference is based on what you want to hear, not what is evidenced by those suitably qualified in the relevant subject.
More than 200,000 prisoners were transferred from Auschwitz to other camps, and about 8,000 were in the camp when it was liberated by Soviet forces. In addition, about 1,500 prisoners who had served their sentences were released, and returned to their home countries. If Auschwitz had actually been a top secret extermination center, it is difficult to believe that the German authorities would have released inmates who "knew" what was happening there.
The complex had political prisoners, POWs, Jews and gypsies. For much of the war, the Nazis believed they would win and their activities at the camp only became a problem towards the end. Hence the cover up, blowing up of the kremas and gassing bunkers, which were in one part of one of the camps.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

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