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Re: Auschwitz

Post by NSDAP » Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:44 am

This thread is not about ovens: that thread is closed.
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Re: Auschwitz

Post by Nessie » Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:45 am

NSDAP wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:16 pm
This is absolutely correct, the hoax has failed Friedrich, which is why the lines of people walking into chamber was never recorded by aerial recognizance despite many flyovers.
Only a few and none show lines of people leaving the camp either.
The reason of course why no photos of people lining up to go into the cellars was because it simply did not happen. The witnesses have been totally discredited and written about here. This is the medical evidence and the temporal evidence to support the assertion from Friedrich. Checkmate. The conclusion is that gassing by HCN and CO is a complete fabrication.
Arguments from incredulity and ignorance are not evidence.
In no way do we wish to demean the suffering of people who were in the Lagers, that is another issue (albeit caused by war and resultant disease). By discrediting the official version as we have done (they have no redress now) we can move forward and speak of the other 60 million who suffered. We have forcibly grabbed this away from the Jews: we say there were many needless casualties caused in this meaningless war. There was no genocide, no holocaust, just the aftermath of some people wanting compensation for a situation they started: Faustian as it is, Juden sold their soul to the devil of their own myth: that time is now almost over. Mephistopheles is smiling. :)
That is demeaning to those who suffered. You just waffle to hide your inability to provide evidence to back up your claims.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Re: Auschwitz

Post by NSDAP » Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:49 am

Nessie wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:45 am

That is demeaning to those who suffered. You just waffle to hide your inability to provide evidence to back up your claims.
We have posted profound medical evidence. This trolling is not acceptable.
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Re: Auschwitz

Post by Nessie » Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:56 am

NSDAP wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:49 am
Nessie wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:45 am

That is demeaning to those who suffered. You just waffle to hide your inability to provide evidence to back up your claims.
We have posted profound medical evidence. This trolling is not acceptable.
Wrong thread.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

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Re: Auschwitz

Post by NSDAP » Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:59 am

Nessie wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:56 am
Wrong thread.
Proper links were made, but you failed to read it. That information related to specific questions asked by yourself. There is no way out of your dilemma Nessie, you have been caught and the chase is over. Here is the evidence again:
Nessie wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:28 am
Post your medical evidence that 30 minutes after death, on opening the gas chambers, how many obviously cherry red bodies would have been seen, here.
You are capable of doing your own research so you should be doing this and coming back with different results. You are doing what trolls do.
However, Neil B. Hampson, MD, states a lethal level of COHb is required for a human's skin and mucous membranes to appear "cherry red". Even when reflectance spectrometry is used to measure skin color after death in individuals who have died of CO poisoning, less than one-half demonstrate "cherry red" skin.

D.P. Lyle, M.D., and it says "Cyanide and carbon monoxide cause a cherry-red appearance to the blood and tissues and lead to pink lividity"
"At autopsy, if the ME sees bright red blood, a reddish hue to the internal organs, and a pink lividity, he would suspect cyanide. In addition, he might detect the typical bitter almond odor of hydrogen cyanide. That is, if he is capable. Curiously, the ability to detect this odor is genetically determined and about 50 per cent of people cannot smell it."
Livor mortis starts in 20–30 minutes, but is usually not observable by the human eye until two hours after death. So to answer the question of time, the pinkish colour of either gas would appear immediately after death being a function of the cause of death. Amboss states
Definition: postmortem discoloration of the skin, resulting from blood pooling into the interstitial tissues under the force of gravity
Occurence
At least 30 minutes to 2 hours after onset of death
Maximum observed at 6–12 hours

Location
Blood pools in areas of dependency under the force of gravity
Person died lying face up: back of the corpse
Hanging death: feet, fingertips and ear lobes
Drowning: face, upper chest, hands, lower arms, feet, and calves
Lividity is evident on the ear lobes and the nail beds
Also occurs in visceral organs (e.g., lungs)
Features
Redistribution: lividity can be altered up to 6 hours after onset of death
Blanching: skin will turn white when applying pressure within the first ∼ 12 hours
Color: the intensity of color depends on the amount of hemoglobin in the blood
Bluish-purple: normal lividity
Greenish-red: hydrogen sulfide (produced in decaying organic matter)
Dark brown: phosphorus poisoning
Brownish-red: poisoning with methemoglobin-forming substances (such as nitrite or aniline)
Pale pink (barely pronounced): blood loss, severe anemia, severe hemorrhage
Cherry red: carbon monoxide poisoning
Bright red: cyanide poisoning
Livor mortis occurs approx. 30 minutes to 2 hours after the onset of death and is the first definite sign of death!


If one was hoping that the cherry red colouration was gone after death when the alleged corpses were removed they are sadly mistaken as this is when it is quite apparent and would have been noticed. Less than half would have been cherry red according to the MD above but even at 40% (40 people in every hundred), the pink red colouration would be so apparent. Once again, apart from one eye witness who noticed a pink colour all the rest described normal lividity which is a bluish green black colouration, and this slight pinkness can be caused by blood loss, anemia, blood loss and cold: this is not as pronounced as death by cyanide or carbon monoxide.
It is also genetic that half of the population can detect the smell of almonds, which is the smell given of by faint HCN gas (this is what gives almonds its smell). No eyewitness at Lublin or indeed Auschwitz reported an almond smell: one would expect half of them to smell this. I hope this is helpful to clarify why we do think those witnesses are somewhat frugal with the truth.
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Re: Auschwitz

Post by NSDAP » Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:51 pm

Nessie wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:45 am
That is demeaning to those who suffered. You just waffle to hide your inability to provide evidence to back up your claims.
The truth is not demeaning, what is demeaning is the total lies promulgated for financial gain: this is at the expense of 60 million people.
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Re: Auschwitz

Post by Nessie » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:49 am

NSDAP wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:59 am
Nessie wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:56 am
Wrong thread.
Proper links were made, but you failed to read it. That information related to specific questions asked by yourself. There is no way out of your dilemma Nessie, you have been caught and the chase is over. Here is the evidence again:
Nessie wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:28 am
Post your medical evidence that 30 minutes after death, on opening the gas chambers, how many obviously cherry red bodies would have been seen, here.
You are capable of doing your own research so you should be doing this and coming back with different results. You are doing what trolls do.
However, Neil B. Hampson, MD, states a lethal level of COHb is required for a human's skin and mucous membranes to appear "cherry red". Even when reflectance spectrometry is used to measure skin color after death in individuals who have died of CO poisoning, less than one-half demonstrate "cherry red" skin.

D.P. Lyle, M.D., and it says "Cyanide and carbon monoxide cause a cherry-red appearance to the blood and tissues and lead to pink lividity"
"At autopsy, if the ME sees bright red blood, a reddish hue to the internal organs, and a pink lividity, he would suspect cyanide. In addition, he might detect the typical bitter almond odor of hydrogen cyanide. That is, if he is capable. Curiously, the ability to detect this odor is genetically determined and about 50 per cent of people cannot smell it."
Livor mortis starts in 20–30 minutes, but is usually not observable by the human eye until two hours after death. So to answer the question of time, the pinkish colour of either gas would appear immediately after death being a function of the cause of death. Amboss states
Definition: postmortem discoloration of the skin, resulting from blood pooling into the interstitial tissues under the force of gravity
Occurence
At least 30 minutes to 2 hours after onset of death
Maximum observed at 6–12 hours

Location
Blood pools in areas of dependency under the force of gravity
Person died lying face up: back of the corpse
Hanging death: feet, fingertips and ear lobes
Drowning: face, upper chest, hands, lower arms, feet, and calves
Lividity is evident on the ear lobes and the nail beds
Also occurs in visceral organs (e.g., lungs)
Features
Redistribution: lividity can be altered up to 6 hours after onset of death
Blanching: skin will turn white when applying pressure within the first ∼ 12 hours
Color: the intensity of color depends on the amount of hemoglobin in the blood
Bluish-purple: normal lividity
Greenish-red: hydrogen sulfide (produced in decaying organic matter)
Dark brown: phosphorus poisoning
Brownish-red: poisoning with methemoglobin-forming substances (such as nitrite or aniline)
Pale pink (barely pronounced): blood loss, severe anemia, severe hemorrhage
Cherry red: carbon monoxide poisoning
Bright red: cyanide poisoning
Livor mortis occurs approx. 30 minutes to 2 hours after the onset of death and is the first definite sign of death!


If one was hoping that the cherry red colouration was gone after death when the alleged corpses were removed they are sadly mistaken as this is when it is quite apparent and would have been noticed. Less than half would have been cherry red according to the MD above but even at 40% (40 people in every hundred), the pink red colouration would be so apparent. Once again, apart from one eye witness who noticed a pink colour all the rest described normal lividity which is a bluish green black colouration, and this slight pinkness can be caused by blood loss, anemia, blood loss and cold: this is not as pronounced as death by cyanide or carbon monoxide.
It is also genetic that half of the population can detect the smell of almonds, which is the smell given of by faint HCN gas (this is what gives almonds its smell). No eyewitness at Lublin or indeed Auschwitz reported an almond smell: one would expect half of them to smell this. I hope this is helpful to clarify why we do think those witnesses are somewhat frugal with the truth.
Fine, you want to debate skin colour in the wrong thread. You were given the chance to go to the correct thread, but you declined. You have trolled this thread, your OWN THREAD!!!!. Go here;

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=3028&start=190
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Re: Auschwitz

Post by NSDAP » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:53 am

The link was given but as usual you skim read and fail to see it. Idiot. Both of those threads are mine. The only troll here is you. We will not be back unless this idiot is gone. Been great to interact with you people.
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Re: Auschwitz

Post by Trolljegeren » Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:20 pm

On January 21 Polish Foreign Minister Grzegorz Schetyna sparked controversy with the claim Auschwitz was liberated by Ukrainians — a statement that angered Martynushkin. “Only the highest-ranking officers of the General Staff had perhaps heard of the camp,” recalled Martynushkin of his arrival to the site where at least 1.1 million people were killed between 1940 and 1945 — nearly 90 percent of them Jews. “We knew nothing.”
“Today is the International Holocaust Remembrance Day. 70 years ago, fighters from Zhytomyr and Lvov, as part of the First Ukrainian Front, liberated from the Nazis one of the most horrific camps, Auschwitz, where millions of our brothers-Jews were tortured,” Yatsenyuk said, emphasizing that it was an important history lesson.

He also expressed his sorrow for victims of the Holocaust – millions of Jews and Ukrainians, who “became victims of Nazism and Stalinism.”

“Once again, we note the valor of the Ukrainian soldiers who freed Auschwitz and fought against Nazism,” Yatsenyuk added.
The Polish Government adds their bit.
“The 1st Ukrainian front and Ukrainians liberated [the concentration camp], as on that January day there were Ukrainian soldiers, so they opened the gates of the camp,” said Foreign Minister of Poland, Grzegorz Schetyna, speaking on Polish radio on Wednesday.
UK-based journalist and writer Neil Clark told RT that today, history is being rewritten for political purposes.

“The fact of the matter is that it was the Soviet Red Army which liberated that appalling camp Auschwitz...” he said. “Yet now in 2015 we are rewriting history to write out the role of the Red army liberating Auschwitz for political purposes.”

It seems that Revisionism of the holocaust is not just left to the Revisionists.
The truth of the matter seems to lie in this statement
The exact number of victims of Auschwitz is unknown, for various reasons, including the fact that in 1945 the entire archive of camp documents was moved to the USSR, made secret and located in the State Military Archives in the town of Podolsk near Moscow.
These archive materials are secret and unavailable to researchers, they are yet to be examined
The figure of 4 million killed at the camp was discounted, the figure of 1.5 million was on the whim of 1990s Polish President Lech Wałęsa.
It begs a question as to why the Russians still keep the archives secret.

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Re: Auschwitz

Post by blake121666 » Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:00 am

Trolljegeren wrote:
Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:20 pm
On January 21 Polish Foreign Minister Grzegorz Schetyna sparked controversy with the claim Auschwitz was liberated by Ukrainians — a statement that angered Martynushkin. “Only the highest-ranking officers of the General Staff had perhaps heard of the camp,” recalled Martynushkin of his arrival to the site where at least 1.1 million people were killed between 1940 and 1945 — nearly 90 percent of them Jews. “We knew nothing.”
“Today is the International Holocaust Remembrance Day. 70 years ago, fighters from Zhytomyr and Lvov, as part of the First Ukrainian Front, liberated from the Nazis one of the most horrific camps, Auschwitz, where millions of our brothers-Jews were tortured,” Yatsenyuk said, emphasizing that it was an important history lesson.

He also expressed his sorrow for victims of the Holocaust – millions of Jews and Ukrainians, who “became victims of Nazism and Stalinism.”

“Once again, we note the valor of the Ukrainian soldiers who freed Auschwitz and fought against Nazism,” Yatsenyuk added.
The Polish Government adds their bit.
“The 1st Ukrainian front and Ukrainians liberated [the concentration camp], as on that January day there were Ukrainian soldiers, so they opened the gates of the camp,” said Foreign Minister of Poland, Grzegorz Schetyna, speaking on Polish radio on Wednesday.
UK-based journalist and writer Neil Clark told RT that today, history is being rewritten for political purposes.

“The fact of the matter is that it was the Soviet Red Army which liberated that appalling camp Auschwitz...” he said. “Yet now in 2015 we are rewriting history to write out the role of the Red army liberating Auschwitz for political purposes.”

It seems that Revisionism of the holocaust is not just left to the Revisionists.
The truth of the matter seems to lie in this statement
The exact number of victims of Auschwitz is unknown, for various reasons, including the fact that in 1945 the entire archive of camp documents was moved to the USSR, made secret and located in the State Military Archives in the town of Podolsk near Moscow.
These archive materials are secret and unavailable to researchers, they are yet to be examined
The figure of 4 million killed at the camp was discounted, the figure of 1.5 million was on the whim of 1990s Polish President Lech Wałęsa.
It begs a question as to why the Russians still keep the archives secret.
Here is an article by Mark Weber in 1994 discussing going over thousands of Auschwitz documents in that archive in 1994:

https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v15/v15n6p36_Weber.html

What part is still kept secret?

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