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Re: Auschwitz

Post by Nessie » Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:33 am

The "everyone was gassed" narrative is simplistic and inaccurate. It is not the "official history" as there is no one official history, indeed there is much disagreement over what happened. Stop using short summaries and sound bites from the media and basic online histories and learn more about what took place.

The Frank family were not gassed because they did not arrive at Auschwitz until September 1944 when gassing operations were being ended and more workers were needed as the Nazis were struggling with the war. Half of that transport was reported to have been selected to work. The Franks were then being transported on and kept alive to work.

You need to stop plagiarising and quote your sources, for example;

https://revblog.codoh.com/2014/06/the-i ... nne-frank/
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

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Re: Auschwitz

Post by NSDAP » Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:38 am

Nessie wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:33 am
The "everyone was gassed" narrative is simplistic and inaccurate. It is not the "official history" as there is no one official history, indeed there is much disagreement over what happened. Stop using short summaries and sound bites from the media and basic online histories and learn more about what took place.

The Frank family were not gassed because they did not arrive at Auschwitz until September 1944 when gassing operations were being ended and more workers were needed as the Nazis were struggling with the war. Half of that transport was reported to have been selected to work. The Franks were then being transported on and kept alive to work.

You need to stop plagiarising and quote your sources, for example;

https://revblog.codoh.com/2014/06/the-i ... nne-frank/
Please do not try another derailment. The quote was not from CODOH but from Veterans Today. I wrote
NSDAP said: You can read this here but here are the main points:
Your intellectual dishonesty is only equaled by your obvious lack of ethical values. The source of the material is there. Try reading and not skim reading. They were not gassed because there were no gassing operations. Stop now your attempt to produce complexities which never existed in the first place: that is dishonest.
Frank arrived at Auschwitz in September, 1944. According to Zachor
The expulsion of Jude from Hungary stopped in August 1944, though some were sent to Belsen. Cancellation of Hungarian deportations was August 25th. The last gassings in Auschwitz took place in early November 1944.
There is a 3 month difference here, which is significant if there were mass executions. One does not wind down mass murder operations, you either murder or you do not. Explain how she and all the others survived when others were being gassed. Did the SS like the Dutch over Hungarians??
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Re: Auschwitz

Post by Nessie » Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:25 am

They were not gassed because they were selected to work. Those needed to work were kept alive, those not needed were gassed. Many Hungarians were also selected to work. Deniers then avoid evidencing what happened to those not selected to work, because there is no evidence they lived.

As the Nazis realised they were going to lose the war, gassing operations were stopped at different times and the facilities blown up as they tried to cover up their crimes.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

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Re: Auschwitz

Post by NSDAP » Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:02 pm

Nessie wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:25 am
because there is no evidence they lived.
There is no evidence they were murdered.
As the Nazis realised they were going to lose the war, gassing operations were stopped at different times and the facilities blown up as they tried to cover up their crimes.
This is fanciful with no evidence. The gassing was not stopped as it never started. This was most likely the work of the Soviets to promulgate the mythology which you like a common brown trout have swallowed the hook. However, we are are playing you out and reeling you in. Show me evidence it was not they. We think one should evidence their claims Nessie. Carl Sagan came up with the problem in his "pale blue dot", we National Socialists came up with a solution, prior to Mr Sagan; this was to get Juden their homeland to become self sufficient. In the film Cabaret there is a song which emphasizes the influence of Jude. Money makes the world go round. This is still relevant today, the working class are relevant which is why we are a "workers party". The only obstruction is the Jewish influence on economics. We do not wish to get rid of Jews, we simply do not care about their economic and cultural model: basically as a collective they appear to be disgusting self serving people; nature or nurture, you decide. Working class people matter, Jewish, black, white, blue,Martian, we do not care. Equality matters.
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Re: Auschwitz

Post by NSDAP » Sun Jul 15, 2018 3:04 am

As David Cole sees it.
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Re: Auschwitz

Post by Nessie » Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:41 am

NSDAP wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:02 pm
Nessie wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:25 am
because there is no evidence they lived.
There is no evidence they were murdered.
As the Nazis realised they were going to lose the war, gassing operations were stopped at different times and the facilities blown up as they tried to cover up their crimes.
This is fanciful with no evidence. The gassing was not stopped as it never started. ....
That is completely false. There are witnesses, forensics and documents evidencing mass gassing took place.

What is truly fanciful is the belief of no mass gassings and those not selected to work left the camps. That truly has no evidence, no witnesses, no documents, nothing to support it.

For as long as you keep trying to convince yourself of the opposite, you will be deceiving yourself and are clearly trying to re-write history to what you want it to be.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
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Re: Auschwitz

Post by Nessie » Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:43 am

NSDAP wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 3:04 am
As David Cole sees it.
Posting old videos made by someone who has changed his beliefs, without any comment by you, tells me you have nothing left to say on the topic.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

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Re: Auschwitz

Post by NSDAP » Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:45 am

Nessie wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:41 am
That is completely false. There are witnesses, forensics and documents evidencing mass gassing took place.

For as long as you keep trying to convince yourself of the opposite, you will be deceiving yourself and are clearly trying to re-write history to what you want it to be.
Sorry Nessie those witnesses are paid liars, all of them. There is no forensic or documented evidence of what you suggest and this thread is not talking about mass gassing anyway. It is not us who is revising history, we are trying to tell it as it was, as horrible as it was. You and people like you are the revisionists with fanciful stories of mass murder.
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Re: Auschwitz

Post by NSDAP » Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:48 am

Nessie wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:43 am
Posting old videos made by someone who has changed his beliefs, without any comment by you, tells me you have nothing left to say on the topic.
Mr Cole has not changed his views, his views are aligned with ours and Mr Irvings. Please try and be honest. The videos are important to new people trying to come to grips with the complexity of the issue.
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Re: Auschwitz

Post by Nessie » Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:55 am

NSDAP wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:45 am
Nessie wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:41 am
That is completely false. There are witnesses, forensics and documents evidencing mass gassing took place.

For as long as you keep trying to convince yourself of the opposite, you will be deceiving yourself and are clearly trying to re-write history to what you want it to be.
Sorry Nessie those witnesses are paid liars, all of them.
Prove that.
There is no forensic or documented evidence of what you suggest and this thread is not talking about mass gassing anyway.
That is not true;

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... ce-on.html

That is a list of all the documents and forensic evidence of mass gassing at Auschwitz.
It is not us who is revising history, we are trying to tell it as it was, as horrible as it was. You and people like you are the revisionists with fanciful stories of mass murder.
You have no evidence to back up your claims. You cannot produce a single witness, no documents, no forensics, nothing to show those not selected to work on arrival then left the camp.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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