Transit Challenge Submission

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Transit Challenge Submission

Post by Orion » Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:19 am

I accepted the challenge and Mr Muehlenkamp acknowledges my acceptance here:
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... taker.html
The challenge - http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... onist.html

"So Mr. Jake O’Connor thinks he can accomplish what no "Revisionist", including our usual customers Mattogno and Graf, has been able to accomplish in almost 72 years since the end of World War II. He thinks he can provide proof that at least one named Jewish individual was transported to Chełmno, Bełżec, Sobibór or Treblinka in the years 1942 or 1943, and then taken from there to a destination in the Reichskommissariat Ostland, the Reichskommissariat Ukraine or the Soviet territories under German military administration. He has undertaken to, until 25.03.2018, submit such proof to the Arbiter(s) chosen by him from among those mentioned in the Challenge."

I name Rudolf Reder, a Jew who arrived in Belzec in 1942 where he worked for several months and was then transported by the SS to Lviv in German occupied Ukraine.
1944 Testimony English translation - https://dunekglik.files.wordpress.com/2 ... lation.pdf
Reder's book excerpt - https://books.noisetrade.com/mforstater ... ecret-nazi
Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Reder
In 1960 he submitted a deposition at the prosecutor’s office in Munich as part of the German preparations for the Belzec trial against eight former SS members of Belzec extermination camp personnel.

Yes this will be controversial as his story is he worked in gas chambers and walked off when unsupervised in Lviv, but the only caveats specified are - Jewish, in AR camp during the years '42 or '43, taken to a destination in Ukraine or Soviet territories and looks like he scores 4/4 on that count so the only question is if he fabricated his story, but it certainly seems to have been accepted as factual in the mainstream holocaust narrative.
If successful I do not want the money myself, I will instead nominate a revisionist researcher to receive it.
Anybody have a suggestion for an impartial Arbiter? If not I guess I'll go with Mr. Randi if he is still willing, unless you will concede Reder fits the criteria Mr Muehlenkamp?

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Re: Transit Challenge Submission

Post by Roberto » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:00 am

Hi Jake,

Your answer gave me a good laugh.

So Reder, who was transported to Belzec from Lvov in Galicia in August 1942 on a train whose occupants were almost all killed, is supposed to have been transported via Belzec to the occupied Soviet territories (in the sense defined in the challenge) because after some months in the camp he was sent on an errand to collect materials in the company of some SS men to, guess where, the same city of Lvov in Galicia that he had been originally deported from?

First of all, transportation from or via one of the named camps in the sense of the challenge means that the person in question must have passed the respective camp as a transit station on the way to a final destination in the occupied Soviet territories (as defined in the challenge). After all, that's what the transit camp theory is all about. It maintains that these camps were not extermination camps but mere transit stations en route to the deportees' final destination in the occupied territories of the USSR. So an inmate's being sent on an errand here or there, after which he was supposed to return to the camp, doesn't count as being transported to a certain (final) destination after passing the camp as a transit station.

Second, if you had made yourself familiar with the geography of Nazi-occupied territory, you might have realized that Lvov was in the Generalgouvernement, to which the Galicia district had been annexed after the invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941. It was neither in the Reichskommissariat Ostland, nor in the Reichskommissariat Ukraine, nor in the Soviet territories under German military administration further east. The Generalgouvernement was the region from which most people killed at Belzec, Sobibór and Treblinka were shipped to these camps.

So your submission fails on both counts.

However, please feel free to submit it to an arbiter of your choice, so that arbiter can share in my amusement.

Incidentally, do you know how the transit camp theory explains the fact that people were deported to Belzec from places located to the east of that camp? In my blog under http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... _2802.html you find a map of the Galicia district for your orientation. Lvov (Lemberg) is located southeast of Belzec, which also received transports from places much further east, such as Kolomea.
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Re: Transit Challenge Submission

Post by Orion » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:53 am

Yes you are correct, I did not realise between 22 June 1941 and July 27, 1944 when the Germans had control of the city it was part of the Generalgouvernement, not Ukraine, I concede this point.

The other point I was reading quite literally though, you just say they had to be taken to a certain territory.
"By transited I mean that the person in question must have been taken to the respective camp, then shipped from that camp to a certain destination in the Nazi-occupied territories of the Soviet Union as defined above, e.g. to Minsk, Riga, Kovno or Kiev."
"and then taken from there to a destination in the Reichskommissariat Ostland, the Reichskommissariat Ukraine or the Soviet territories"
Revisionist claims: taken to the respective camp, bathed and deloused and perhaps (but not necessarily) given a hot meal or drink there"



At least you got a laugh out of it :lol:

I doubt I will be able to name one then, but I have dug up way more questions than answers on the Reinhard camps lately so I need a bit more time to look into this before I concede the whole challenge.

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Re: Transit Challenge Submission

Post by been-there » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:39 am

One unfit-for-work, transited 'Jew': Sigmund Rothstein

The ignoring of the case of Sigmund Rothstein by the 'holocaust' believers is perhaps revealing of the general ‘believer’ mind-set. Viz. that mind-set where anything which 'falsifies' the cherished belief-system is either ignored, or if it can't be ignored then is justified in some dishonest, delusional manner.

Just as a single rabbit fossil from the precambrian Mesoproterozoic or Neoproterozoic era would 'falsify' current evolutiony theory, in a similar way the existence of a single 75 year old Jew in Minsk AFTER being transported to “the East” through Treblinka seriously undermines and 'falsifies' current ‘holocaust’ history.

If ‘believers’ here don't understand why, then this further demonstrates that what is nebulously referred to as ‘THE Holocaust’ is for them a belief-system like any other religion and is NOT a genuine ‘history' grounded in empirical reality.

The only 'wiggle' room that I can see is if S. Rothstein was transported from Theresienstadt to Minsk by some other route than via Treblinka.

But if that were the case, it further destroys the credibility of the Yad Vashem archive of alleged ‘holocaust’ deaths AND the credibility of the 'holocaust' archives upon which they claim their information to be based.
For anyone not following the provided links [see below], that is because the Czech files say he was transported to Trebinka and there was “murdered”.
Whereas the German files do not include his tranportation via Treblinka. They only admit he was “deported” from Theresienstadt and give his “place of death” as Minsk.

Either way, the credibility of 'the holocaust' as reliable history is compromised.
Firstly because the same person is listed as a 'holocaust' fatality at least three times.
Secondly because the German entries fail to admit that files exist detailing his deportation via Treblinka.
Finally and most devastatingly, because he is an example of a trainload of Jewish deportees including old Jews unfit for work where at least one of them was NOT gassed at Treblinka but was transited through it to “the East”.
Czech files wrote:SIEGMUND ROTHSTEIN
Siegmund Rothstein was born in 1867. During the war he was deported with Transport Br from Theresienstadt Ghetto, Czechoslovakia to Treblinka Extermination Camp, Poland on 26/09/1942.

Siegmund was murdered in the Shoah.

This information is based on a List of Theresienstadt camp inmates found in Terezinska Pametni Kniha [Theresienstädter Gedenkbuch], Terezinska Iniciativa, vol. I-II Melantrich, Praha 1995, vol. III Academia Verlag, Prag 2000 (Memorial Book Theresienstadt, Terezin Initiative).

Last Name Rothstein
First Name Siegmund
Date of Birth 16/01/1867
Origin of Deportation City of Berlin, Germany
Destination of Deportation Theresienstadt Ghetto, Czechoslovakia
Details of Transport I/37 from Berlin, to Theresienstadt,Ghetto,Czechoslovakia on 04/08/1942
Prisoner Number in Transport 3013
Origin of Deportation Theresienstadt Ghetto, Czechoslovakia
Destination of Deportation Treblinka Extermination Camp, Poland
Details of Transport Transport Br from Theresienstadt,Ghetto Czechoslovakia to Treblinka,Extermination Camp,Poland on 26/09/1942
Prisoner Number in Transport 959
Status according to Source murdered
Source Terezinska Pametni Kniha [Theresienstädter Gedenkbuch], Terezinska Iniciativa, vol. I-II Melantrich, Praha 1995, vol. III Academia Verlag, Prag 2000 (Memorial Book Theresienstadt, Terezin Initiative)
German files wrote:ZIGMUND ROTHSTEIN
Zigmund Rothstein was born in Mainstockheim, Germany in 1867. Prior to WWII he lived in Berlin, Germany. During the war he was in Berlin, Germany. Deported with Transport I/37 from Berlin,Berlin,Berlin,Germany to Theresienstadt,Ghetto,Czechoslovakia on 04/08/1942.

Zigmund was murdered in the Shoah.

This information is based on a List of deportation from Berlin found in Gedenkbuch Berlins der jüdischen Opfer des Nazionalsozialismus, Freie Universität Berlin, Zentralinstitut für sozialwissenschaftliche Forschung, Edition Hentrich, Berlin 1995 (Memorial Book of the Jewish victims of National Socialism in Berlin, Free Unive.

Last Name Rothstein
First Name Zigmund* (translated from Hebrew)
First Name Sigmund
Date of Birth 16/01/1867
Place of Birth Mainstockheim,Kitzingen (Mainfranken),Bavaria,Germany
Permanent Place of Residence Berlin,Germany
Place during the War City of Berlin,Germany
Place of Death Minsk, Belorussia (USSR)
Origin of Deportation City of Berlin, Germany
Destination of Deportation Theresienstadt, Litomerice, Bohemia, Czechoslovakia
Details of Transport Transport I/37 from Berlin, Germany to Theresienstadt Ghetto, Czechoslovakia on 04/08/1942
Status according to Source missing
Source Gedenkbuch Berlins der jüdischen Opfer des Nazionalsozialismus, Freie Universität Berlin, Zentralinstitut für sozialwissenschaftliche Forschung, Edition Hentrich, Berlin 1995 (Memorial Book of the Jewish victims of National Socialism in Berlin, Free Unive
Type of material List of deportation from Berlin
Item ID 4129032
been-there wrote:The deportation of 75 yr old Sigmund Rothstein
from Theresienstadt via Treblinka
to the Minsk ghetto in “the East”
...Historians claim that almost all Jews deported to Treblinka were gassed, because there was no selection between those able to work and the unfit as at Auschwitz...
Among the transports that were processed in this way, there were the transports from Theresienstadt. In this Czech village the Germans had ghettoized a large number of old Jews from various origins (German, Austrian, etc.). The provisional policy of the Germans was then to move the Jews “farther east” until they were able to relocate them permanently outside Europe (to Madagascar, for example) and they had deported a large number of them to the Ukraine, Belarus and the Baltic countries via Auschwitz, Sobibor, Belzec and Treblinka.
Thus, 10 convoys finally left Theresienstadt for Treblinka in 1942. In one of them was Siegmund Rothstein from Berlin, whose name is found in the Yad Vashem database of holocaust victims.

First, let me say that the name of this deportee from Berlin is entered three times in the database, for the reasons explained above. But still more interesting is the journey taken by this deportee that is described in the database.

Rothstein, born in 1867, was 75 years of age when he was deported from Berlin to Theresienstadt in August 1942, which means that he could only be deemed unfit for work and therefore, according to official historiography, had to be sent to the gas chamber. In which case, why was he [first] sent to Theresienstadt? This is one of the many mysteries of the Holocaust religion, but let’s move on.
From there, he was deported again to Treblinka on September 26, 1942 (transport Br), where, according to the historians, he was gassed at arrival.
The editors of the Czech entry consequently go no further: for them, Rothstein died at Treblinka, too:
http://yvng.yadvashem.org/nameDetails.h ... d=11619891
http://yvng.yadvashem.org/nameDetails.h ... Id=4911011

However, when the German entry mentions the death of Rothstein, it places it much further east, in Belarus — to be precise, in Minsk!
http://yvng.yadvashem.org/nameDetails.h ... d=10784457
http://yvng.yadvashem.org/nameDetails.h ... Id=4129032

As already mentioned, S. Rothstein is in fact no special case: many Berliners (in addition to elderly Jews from other parts of Germany) were deported to Theresienstadt and then from there to Treblinka, but for the German authorities none of those unable to work died at Treblinka and all of those who didn’t return died in Minsk or elsewhere.

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The deportation of S. Rothstein: in dashed lines the journey denied by historians.

Evidence that those unable to work who were sent to Treblinka were not gassed but were sent further east to Belarus (where, incidentally, many transports of Jews arrived directly from Germany and Austria, even from Theresienstadt).

http://codoh.com/library/document/4223/?lang=en
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Re: Transit Challenge Submission

Post by Orion » Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:12 pm

Hi been-there, I knew about Rothstein but did not consider him as an answer for the challenge as there is no proof he went through Treblinka.

I also found this transport - http://db.yadvashem.org/deportation/tra ... Id=9439285
Which went Berlin - Raasiku through Malkinia departed 24/09/1942 but I also have no evidence it stopped at Treblinka, I am curious as to why it went all the way Germany-Poland-Lithuania-Latvia-Estonia just to have it's cargo unloaded and shot, when almost all the gas chambers in Poland were supposed to be in operation by then, why build these extermination camps then take Jews right through Poland and a couple more countries just to shoot them?
I have a few things like this to investigate before I concede this challenge.

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Re: Transit Challenge Submission

Post by onetruth » Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:15 pm

been-there wrote: The ignoring of the case of Sigmund Rothstein by the 'holocaust' believers is perhaps revealing of the general ‘believer’ mind-set. Viz. that mind-set where anything which 'falsifies' the cherished belief-system is either ignored, or if it can't be ignored then is justified in some dishonest, delusional manner.
courtesy of the holocaust controversies blog :


The Rothstein canard


In a vain attempt to find a single Jewish prisoner transited through Belzec, Treblinka, Chelmno or Sobibor to the "Russian East" the Holocaust deniers turned to the electronic Holocaust names databases. In "Gassed at Treblinka and deceased in Minsk" Jean-Marie Boisdefeu claimed to have found one such person:


Thus, 10 convoys finally left Theresienstadt for Treblinka in 1942. In one of them was Siegmund Rothstein from Berlin, whose name is found in the Yad Vashem database.
[...]
But still more interesting is the journey taken by this deportee that is described in the database. Rothstein, born in 1867, was 75 years of age when he was deported from Berlin to Theresienstadt in August 1942, which means that he could only be deemed unfit for work and therefore, according to official historiography, had to be sent to the gas chamber; in this case, why was he sent to Theresienstadt? This is one of the many mysteries of the Holocaust religion, but let’s move on. From there, he was deported again to Treblinka on September 26, 1942 (transport Br), where, according to the historians, he was gassed at arrival. The editors of the Czech entry consequently go no further: for them, Rothstein died at Treblinka, too:
http://yvng.yadvashem.org/nameDetails.h ... d=11619891
http://yvng.yadvashem.org/nameDetails.h ... Id=4911011
However, when the German entry mentions the death of Rothstein, it places it much further east, in Belarus—to be precise, in Minsk!
http://yvng.yadvashem.org/nameDetails.h ... d=10784457
http://yvng.yadvashem.org/nameDetails.h ... d=10760945
http://yvng.yadvashem.org/nameDetails.h ... Id=4129032
As already mentioned, S. Rothstein is in fact no special case: many Berliners (in addition to elderly Jews from other parts of Germany) were deported to Theresienstadt and then from there to Treblinka, but for the German authorities none of those unable to work died at Treblinka and all of those who didn’t return died in Minsk or elsewhere.
It is impossible not to see the evidence that those unable to work who were sent to Treblinka weren’t gassed but sent further east to Belarus (where, incidentally, many transports of Jews arrived directly from Germany and Austria, even from Theresienstadt).
(As a side note: the "researcher" Boisdefeau seems to have been unaware of the basic historical facts about Theresienstadt, which was to be used for propaganda purposes, hence old people and children being there.)


Germar Rudolf parroted Boisdefeau's "findings" in the desperate "One Survivor, One Single Survivor! Treblinka Transitees":
How about Jews actually transited to “the East”? Jean-Marie Boisdefeu has documented an interesting case he stumbled over while skimming Vad Vashem’s database of Holocaust victims.[22] This case, too, is based on a memorial book published by government authorities, in this case of Germany. It concerns the Berlin Jew Siegmund Rothstein, born in 1867, who was first deported to the Theresienstadt Ghetto for elderly Jews in August 1942. Barely a month later, however, on September 26, he was deported to Treblinka at the age of 75. But that was not his end at all, because the German authorities found life signs of him further east, as they finally determined that Rothstein died in Minsk, the capital city of Belarus, some 240 miles (286 km) east of Treblinka. I doubt 75-year-old Mr. Rothstein jumped off the train prior to arriving at Treblinka and ran all the way to German-occupied Minsk, Hence, he must have traveled there by train. I also doubt that the German authorities reserved a train just for him or put just him on a military train going to Minsk. Rather, he must have made that journey on a deportation train together with hundreds or thousands of fellow deportees from Theresienstadt.
There is of course zero evidence of any transports that went through Treblinka and arrived in Belorussia, or of any camps there for deported Jews unable to work. Had there even been such transports, they would have had a single goal: to bring those Jews to Maly Trostinets for extermination, since by that time the Nazis didn't need Western Jews unable to work in the Russian East (one other obvious fact that shows the whole "resettlement" thesis to be a crude fantasy).


Rothstein's case is no exception. The only thing that Boisdefeau found were two contradictory informational streams that did not even intersect (i.e. the sources that say he went to Minsk don't say he went through Treblinka and vice versa).

Now, any database, especially such a complex one, will contain errors and contradictions. A database is not a primary source in any case, so if Boisdefeau wanted to use Rothstein's case, he would have to do the necessary legwork and get the primary sources to exclude the chance of a typo or a mix-up. Instead he blindly relied on an electronic instrument that is liable to contain mistakes. It might have been a passable "secondary" argument, but it was a purported refutation of the exterminatory role of Treblinka. When one makes such grand claims one should rely on more than some electronic database.

That said, the mistakes in these entries stem not from the database itself but from the underlying sources. Rothstein is identified as transferred from Theresienstadt with the transport Br on 26.09.1942.


According to most up-to-date sources the transport Br with 2004 Jews went to Treblinka. The Yad Vashem database description says:
The transport, designated “Br”, departed from Theresienstadt on September 26, 1942 and was the fourth in a series of eight transports of sick and elderly Jews (“Alterstransporte”). On board were 2,004 inmates of Theresienstadt. It arrived in Treblinka on September 28 or 29. The transport was composed entirely of Jews who had been deported earlier from Germany and Austria, among them 617 deportees from Vienna and 584 from Berlin. Their average age was 72.
But when at the same webpage we look at the sources, we see one of them listed as follows:
List of 2, 004 Jews deported from the Theresienstadt Ghetto to Maly Trostinec camp (to the East) on Transport Br, 26/09/1942
Further internet search shows this at EHRI:
List of 2,004 Jews deported from the Theresienstadt Ghetto to Maly Trostinec camp (to the East) on Transport Br, 26/09/1942 Br Osten 26.IX.42
Identifier O.64.2/WSZ.3/304
In other words in the Hermann Weisz Collection part of the Yad Vashem Archives Theresienstadt Collection the transport Br is mistakenly identified as a transport to the extermination camp Maly Trostinets near Minsk in Belorussia. This shows that at least one secondary source (and actually there were more) mistakenly misidentified the destination of this transport. Hence the contradictory information in the database entries. All the entries relied on secondary sources, like the Bundesarchiv Gedenkbuch and the Yizkor book of the Kitzingen community. These secondary sources in turn used the information from other sources, both primary and secondary, some more reliable, some less. The Yizkor book of the Kitzingen community happened to rely on a secondary source mistakenly claiming that the transport arrived in Maly Trostenets (Minsk).


Note that in these lists of Jews the exact end station was not given, the destination was usually given as "East" ("Osten"). So it's not hard to see why some earlier researcher (like Weisz) could have misidentified destinations of particular transports.

So the only example the deniers could muster for a person transferred through the Aktion Reinhardt camps and Chelmno "to the Russian East" predictably turned out to be a dud. The attempted amalgamation of various Rothstein entries to form a single one, "proving" he went through Treblinka to Minsk, turned out to be chimeric.

The "resettlement" thesis remains as fantastical as before. No person that is both sane and well-informed will ever accept it.


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Re: Transit Challenge Submission

Post by SFinesilver » Tue Mar 28, 2017 3:31 pm

Challenge to Supporters of the Revisionist Transit Camp Theory

By Roberto Muehlenkamp


According to Revisionist scripture, the places known by history to have been extermination camps

[Liar. They are not "known" - they are believed to be by delusionalists.]

were mere transit camps, places where arriving deportees were bathed, had themselves and/or their clothing deloused, were perhaps given a hot meal or drink and then sent onwards to final destinations in the Nazi-occupied territories of the USSR, where they were resettled in camps or ghettos. The numbers that Revisionists claim to have been transited through these camps is enormous.

[Yes, but the number that they can prove actually set foot in the camps is not even 10% of the numbers claimed to have been murdered.]

The Korherr Report alone, which Revisionists claim must be understood literally in this respect, mentions 1,274,166 Jews transited to the "Russian East" through "the camps in the General Government" (mainly Bełżec, Sobibór and Treblinka, as we know now from the Höfle telegram) and 145,301 Jews transited to the "Russian East" through "the camps in the Warthegau" (obviously Chełmno/Kulmhof), until the end of 1942.

[Is it - True. - or - False. - that the words - Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor or Treblinka - can nowhere be found in The Korherr Report - ??]


So a total of 1,419,467 persons are supposed to have been transited to the "Russian East" in this period through these camps alone, instead of being gassed at these camps as all known evidence shows them to have been.

[Liar]:

[Roberto] ...is simply ignoring the inconvenient fact that, over the years, there have been no less than four claimed so-called “crime scene investigations” of Treblinka II, and a number of claimed investigations of the other three camps as well - yet to date, it can still be categorically stated that; archaeologists / forensic investigators have never located / proven the existence of even one mass grave at Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor or Treblinka II that contains so-much-as - 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the alleged buried remains - NOT ONE!

http://nafcash.com/ ]
Some of them would have succumbed to hardship on the journey or at the place of destination, but most would have survived the war and returned to their places of origin or emigrated after the war.

[Really? - Well then: If the jews who were transited to the east didn't ultimately end up in the U.S., israel or the Soviet Gulag system, then where did they ultimately end up?]

...

From all these accounts and documentation, names of deportees transited through Chełmno, Bełżec, Sobibór and Treblinka to the "Russian East" should be all over the place, and it should be a piece of cake to find such names and proof that their bearers were transited through these places.

[Why would there names "be all over the place" when]:
...it has never been proven that so-much-as ten percent of those fraudulently alleged to be currently buried at these four “sacred” archaeological sites ever even set foot in the so-called “crime scenes” - not ten percent.

http://nafcash.com/
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... onist.html
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D - Has it been alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, Germany used "resettlement to the east" as a euphemism for transiting jews to the so-called "top secret" - PURE EXTERMINATION CAMPS - Yes. - or - No. - ?? - Nessie's answer: Yes.

E - Has it been alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the so-called "pure extermination camps" were - THE END OF THE LINE - for virtually everyone transited to those camps - Yes. - or - No. - ?? - Nessie's answer: Yes.

Is it - True. - or - False. - that; during WW II, Germany actually transited jews to labor camps / ghettos - that were located east of the Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II camps - ?? - Nessie's answer: True.

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Re: Transit Challenge Submission

Post by SFinesilver » Tue Mar 28, 2017 3:43 pm

RM:
So Reder, who was transported to Belzec...
You forgot to add:

And personally dug these "huge mass graves"

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D - Has it been alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, Germany used "resettlement to the east" as a euphemism for transiting jews to the so-called "top secret" - PURE EXTERMINATION CAMPS - Yes. - or - No. - ?? - Nessie's answer: Yes.

E - Has it been alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the so-called "pure extermination camps" were - THE END OF THE LINE - for virtually everyone transited to those camps - Yes. - or - No. - ?? - Nessie's answer: Yes.

Is it - True. - or - False. - that; during WW II, Germany actually transited jews to labor camps / ghettos - that were located east of the Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II camps - ?? - Nessie's answer: True.

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Re: Transit Challenge Submission

Post by SFinesilver » Tue Mar 28, 2017 3:49 pm

RM:
After all, that's what the transit camp theory is all about. It maintains that these camps were not extermination camps but mere transit stations en route to the deportees' final destination in the occupied territories of the USSR.
"Final destination"?

Who claims to know for a fact what the "final destination" of the jews was after being transited to the east - the so-called "revisionists" or the delusionalists?
D - Has it been alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, Germany used "resettlement to the east" as a euphemism for transiting jews to the so-called "top secret" - PURE EXTERMINATION CAMPS - Yes. - or - No. - ?? - Nessie's answer: Yes.

E - Has it been alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the so-called "pure extermination camps" were - THE END OF THE LINE - for virtually everyone transited to those camps - Yes. - or - No. - ?? - Nessie's answer: Yes.

Is it - True. - or - False. - that; during WW II, Germany actually transited jews to labor camps / ghettos - that were located east of the Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II camps - ?? - Nessie's answer: True.

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Re: Transit Challenge Submission

Post by SFinesilver » Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:05 pm

RM:
So a total of 1,419,467 persons are supposed to have been transited to the "Russian East" in this period through these camps alone, instead of being gassed at these camps as all known evidence shows them to have been.
Liar.
...it has never been proven that so-much-as ten percent of those fraudulently alleged to be currently buried at these four “sacred” archaeological sites ever even set foot in the so-called “crime scenes” - not ten percent.

...

And for those weak-willed true-believers who lack the courage, integrity and character to accept - The C.S.I. Challenge; The N.A.F.H. also offers - a monetary reward for simply identifying / proving any untrue statement of fact found on this webpage.

http://nafcash.com/
What are you waiting for Roberto?

What are you so afraid of?
D - Has it been alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, Germany used "resettlement to the east" as a euphemism for transiting jews to the so-called "top secret" - PURE EXTERMINATION CAMPS - Yes. - or - No. - ?? - Nessie's answer: Yes.

E - Has it been alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the so-called "pure extermination camps" were - THE END OF THE LINE - for virtually everyone transited to those camps - Yes. - or - No. - ?? - Nessie's answer: Yes.

Is it - True. - or - False. - that; during WW II, Germany actually transited jews to labor camps / ghettos - that were located east of the Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II camps - ?? - Nessie's answer: True.

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