Forensic evidence at the AR camps

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Forensic evidence at the AR camps

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What counts as forensic evidence? Here is a guide to forensic archaeology from a source independent of any Holocaust work;

http://www.sfu.museum/forensics/eng/pg_ ... chaeology/

"Forensic archaeology is the application of archaeology (the study of past cultures and activities) to legal investigations. The skills and methods used by archaeologists to find and interpret buried or hidden sites of past activity have direct application to modern forensic investigations. In North America, forensic archaeology is often considered to be a specialization of forensic anthropology.
In the 1970s and 1980s, criminal investigators began to call upon archaeologists to help locate, excavate and document certain types of crime-scene evidence - usually clandestine burials of murder victims. Over the next couple of decades, archaeologists became more actively involved in different types of investigations including the excavation of mass burials of victims of modern wars and the recording and recovery of mass fatality events. The main tasks that a forensic archaeologist assists with are: Evidence searches, evidence recovery, evidence recording and scene interpretation."

The types of forensic enquiry are;

"Archaeologists are accustomed to conducting "surface surveys", whereby they inspect the ground surface recording and collecting evidence of past human behaviour"

Such survey work was conducted at TII and shown in the Treblinka: Inside Hitler's Secret Death Camp documentary. Yoram Haimi was also recorded collecting cremains from the surface at Sobibor. Then excavating takes place;

"There are many types of equipment that help recover and analyze evidence from a crime scene. Mapping the area and evidence may involve a GPS (global positioning system), a compass, a level, a plumb bob, pencils, scale rulers, graph paper, measuring tapes and string for creating a grid over the scene. More advanced survey equipment may include a "total station", which measures distances in three dimensions using lasers and a prism held over the object being mapped.......Mapping a scene - drawing it on paper or using digital technology - is an important method of recording the area and the evidence discovered"

So complaints that Kola produced a plan like this for Belzec;

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are dismissed as it is perfectly acceptable for a forensic archaeological examination according to an independent non Holocaust resource. The main difference is that most forensic archaeological work is about recovering skeletons or bodies, not ash and cremains. That is unique to the Nazi sites. That is why context is important work for forensic archaeology

"Documenting a scene is important, but attempting to explain why and how things came to be is a critical contribution that archaeologists can make to forensic investigation. Forensic archaeological interpretation focuses on several key areas: context; association; provenience; time elapsed since deposition; and site/scene formation.
Context. A central concept in archaeology that is used in crime-scene interpretation is context. Investigators consider objects or people discovered during a forensic investigation in relation to other objects and people found nearby. These other areas and objects make up the context."

So when name tags of Dutch children are found at Sobibor and a Viennese sports club badge is found at Chelmno that gives context to whose remains are there. That also gives us association and provenance;

"Association. Associations are relationships or connections between objects, places or people that can help forensic investigators solve cases ..... Provenience. Trying to establish provenience is an important part of archaeological interpretation. Provenience, also sometimes called "provenance", refers to the place from which an object came, as opposed to where it was found."

There are complaints about a lack of lab testing. The main complaint is the lack of information easily available on the internet. The Chelmno Museum site reports "Collected earth samples were examined by the Karol Marcinkowski University of Medical Sciences in Poznań, Department of Forensic Medicine." Yoram Haimi reports sending samples from Sobibor. We do not have the results to hand. We do have;

"An opinion prepared by the institute of forensic medicine at the Jagellonian University states that the bones sent there for analysis were human bones. An opinion of the institute of forensic medicine at Cracow indicates that the sand removed from the diggings is mixed with bone ashes and fat."

as reported in "Sobibor, Holocaust propaganda and reality". Lab testing of remains is not referenced in the guide. An archaeologist or forensic scientists can identify remains without testing. What would the testing be for? DNA is pointless because we have no samples to get an identification of an individual from.

So complaints about a lack of forensic evidence at the AR camps are bogus. Plenty of work has been done and demands for more are just a tactic from those who do not want to believe what the evidence is proving.
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Re: Forensic evidence at the AR camps

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None of that evidence the whereabouts of the hundreds of thousands of Jews you claimed were not killed at Belzec and how so many left the camp without leaving any evidence, eye witnesses, anything. That was on a thread where you are supposed to be evidencing what happened to the Jews you say were not killed. This is a thread about forensic examinations of the AR camps and how they follow the archaeological forensic procedure as laid out in an independent source.
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The main tasks that a forensic archaeologist assists with are: Evidence searches, evidence recovery, evidence recording and scene interpretation."
Too bad there's fuck all at Belzec. The found graves by Kola could not contain the remains of just over 400,000 corpses. :lol:

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Kola's work at Belzec meets the standard set by the independent source. He found cremains, remains and ash just where witnesses said the mass graves had been. The bodies had been cremated and mixed back into the ground. Kola proved that was true.
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Nessie plays dumb because the standard story is that all 400,000 corpses were supposed to have fit into all the small areas Kola found to be grave sites (before they started extracting them to burn the evidence in the winter of 1942). Physically impossible.

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Yet another thread Nessie created to spam the same horseshit over and over.

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The scientific/forensic evidence of the AR concentration camps was already discussed extensively here:

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The issue that the examinations at the AR camps meet an independent forensic archaeological standards is clearly being dodged by you. You are now unable to claim the work done at the AR camps was not forensic.
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Nessie wrote:The issue that the examinations at the AR camps meet an independent forensic archaeological standards is clearly being dodged by you. You are now unable to claim the work done at the AR camps was not forensic.
You were answered and explained several times. You was provided with sources over and over. You are just repeating the same horseshit which has been addressed many times in another threads.

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