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British Royalty and the NSDAP

Post by been-there » Sat Jul 18, 2015 5:25 pm

Prelude:

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Tsar Nicholas II of Russia and King George V of Britain were cousins.
Their mothers were sisters.

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During the Bolshevik "red terror", British King George's Russian cousin Tsar Nicholas was killed in July 1918 along with his wife and children in a cellar of Ipatiev House in Ekaterinburg.

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What is called the Bolshevik 'Red Terror 'was a campaign of mass killings, torture, and systematic oppression conducted by the Bolsheviks after they seized power in Petrograd and Moscow in 1917.
The term is also frequently applied to political repression during the whole period of the Russian Civil War of 1918–1922. During that time the Cheka (the Bolshevik secret police), conducted the mass repressions.
Estimates for the total number of people killed in the Red Terror range from 50,000 to two million.

The details of the Russian royal family, when they were held captive by Red Bolshevik soldiers at Ipatiev House in Ekaterinburg was kept from the British press by King George when the details became known. And a White Russian monarchist has added to the myth with false atrocity propaganda. Colonel Pavel Rodzianko claimed the royal women were sexually abused by their guards: "I saw in the room in which the murder took place obscene drawings with inscriptions, partly obliterated since, but clear enough to read. There were horrible pictures of Rasputin and the Empress and inscriptions boasting of outrage, and the shrieks that were heard at night tend to confirm this. Anything more horrible than the last week of the family cannot be imagined." But no other such claims exist, and this surely false.
"Tsar Nicholas fully expected to able to leave Russia and seek sanctuary in England with their cousin and ally King George V, but tragically, this was not to be. If the Imperial Family had left immediately they may have survived, but the children came down with smallpox and by the time of their recovery sentiments had changed around the world. In France and England, crowds were cheering the fall of the Romanov Empire and the United States congress joined in the congratulations with the idea of 'making the world safe for democracy'.
The British Prime Minister was instructing the King not to allow the Tsar and his family to seek asylum in England for fear of the consequences by their people and with that, the offer of sanctuary was withdrawn. The royal houses throughout Europe were shocked at this decision. Even Kaiser Wilhelm II had offer safe passage through German waters for any British warship that would rescue his cousins from captivity, but the invitation was not to come. They were abandoned by all and tragically the Romanov's were left to their fate."
Other sources claim it wasn't parliament but the King himself who was against providing them with a safe place of exile in the UK:
George V came under severe criticism for his role in the events.
Asylum in the UK was offered to the Tsar and his family following the 1917 revolution, but later withdrawn after the King raised concerns about how it would impact on the reputation of the House of Windsor.
Helen Rappaport, : "King George became increasingly conscience-stricken. He had a consultation with the British Secret Service in which he said 'If you can get them out, get them out.'
The threat of revolution and/or dissolution of the monarchy with the spread of communist sympathy was taken so seriously that either parliament and/or the King refused to get involved and save the King's cousin.
As the Russian royal family was related to many of Europe's dynasties, the fear of the spread of Bolshevism caused considerable alarm among the aristocracy and royalty of the rest of Europe. The Bolshevik regicide of the Tsar and his family not only alarmed the British royal family but it confirmed their worst fears of the brutal nature of the Bolsheviks and their plans to export their ideology throughout Europe.
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Post by Nessie » Sat Jul 18, 2015 6:30 pm

From today's Sun newspaper

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Post by Werd » Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:34 am

I should add there is one theory out there that the Tsar and his family never died but were simply moved out of the picture by the Bolsheviks via the Rothschilds and the city of London. Of course this falls in line with the Antony Sutton school of thought. One author went so far as to claim that the Tsar and his family lived on and were protected by the British Monarchy. Michael Occleshaw wrote The Romanov Conspiracies in this vein. Some however do not agree that any Romanov's survived.
http://www3.telus.net/mtnclimb/pers/fam ... Tudor.html
However, Medvedev bears a shocking resemblance to Tsar Nicholas

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Post by been-there » Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:27 am

The British royal family's German roots

Queen Victoria was the daughter of the German-born Princess Victoria of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld.
Victoria married her German first cousin, Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha in 1840. Their nine children married into royal and noble families across the continent, tying them together and earning her the sobriquet "the grandmother of Europe".
Victoria's father was a descendant of the Royal House of Hanover, being the fourth son of King George III.
If it feels complicated, the point is they were all of German ancestry.
For example Victoria's grandfather the British King George III was simultaneously and concurrently also the Duke and prince-elector of Brunswick-Lüneburg ("Hanover") until his promotion to King of Hanover on 12 October 1814. He was also the third British King of the House of Hanover. His two predecessors (Kings George I and George II) were born in Germany and had German as their mother-tongue. Whereas he was the first British Hanoverian King who was actually born in Britain, spoke English as his first language, and who never visited Hanover.

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Three-quarter-German but British King Edward VII(top far right) in German Uniform, with his three-quarter-German sister Victoria (Kaiser Bill's mother) his own at-least-half-German mother Queen Victoria and some of his German relations including his half-German half-English nephew Kaiser Wilhem II

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King George V in German uniform with his cousin Kaiser Wilhem II

King George V and his cousins

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King George V was King of Britain from 1910 till his death in 1936. During his reign the British Royal Family' sought to distance itself from its German background.
This became seen as a sensitive issue during the first world war, so much so that in 1917 — during a war where Britain fought with one cousin's country Russia, against another cousin's* country Germany — George changed the family name from the too-German sounding Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor.
Coincidentally that name change became effective on exactly the same day (July 17th 1917) that his Russian cousin and his family were being murdered.
So George was controversially distancing himself from an unpopular monarch removed by Bolshevik revolution by denying the Russian cousin Tsar Nicholas II and his family asylum in Britain, at exactly the same time as he was also preparing the distancing of himself and his family from their German connections and ancestry and his other German cousins.

A tricky time for him and for European monarchies.
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Apparently these two cousins weren't so close. George and Wilhelm. George again wearing German uniform.

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Kaiser Bill and Tsar Nicholas... er, I mean George V.. Er, no Nicholas .So hard to tell. Two royal cousins together, anyway.

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Apparently these two cousins weren't so close, either. Here Tsar Nicholas also appears to be wearing a German uniform, judging by the Prussian helmet.

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The Kaiser* and Tsar Nicholas. Although they weren't said to be close, Wilhelm did more to save his cousins life, offering safe passage to Britain even though they were at war, and after his Russian cousin's family were incarcerated even offered asylum in Germany. Both offers rejected by Nicholas due to the political manouevering during war and revolution.

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I have no idea how these two got on together. Kaiser Wilhelm and minor aristocrat Winston Churchill at a military review

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These two cousins were great pals... until the threat of revolution got in the way...
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Another of King George V's first cousins

Prior to WW1, members of the German Saxe-Coburg and Gotha monarchy were awarded British peerages, and the title of Prince and Royal Highness and all British honours up till 1919.
For example another cousin of King George V was Prince Charles Edward the last Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha.

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Prince Charles Edward was born in 1884 at Claremont House near Esher, Surrey. His father was Prince Leopold, Duke of Albany, the fourth son of Queen Victoria and her husband the German Prince Albert.
Charles Edward was a male-line grandson of Queen Victoria. He was also until 1919 a Prince of the United Kingdom and held the British title of Duke of Albany.
He joined the Nazi Party in 1935 and became a member of the SA (Brownshirts), rising to the rank of Obergruppenführer. He also served as a member of the Reichstag representing the Nazi Party from 1937 to 1945 and as president of the German Red Cross from 1933 to 1945. During his years the German Red Cross became affiliated to the Vatican’s International Red Cross which has been accused of helping to smuggle Germans out of Germany after the defeat of the Third Reich.

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Adolf Hitler and Prince Charles Edward the last Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, ex-British Duke of Albany seen here together in 1936.

In 1936, Adolf Hitler sent Charles Edward/Carl Eduord to Britain as president of the Anglo-German Friendship Society. His mission was to retain good relations between Hitler’s Nazi Germany and the ruling monarchy of Britain.
Charles Edward attended the funeral of his first cousin George V in 1936 in his uniform as a general of the German Wehrmacht.
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Here is a photo of Charles Edward meeting the British Ambassador to Germany, Sir Neville Henderson. They had been at Eton together. This photograph may have been taken at a meeting of the Anglo-German Fellowship that Henderson addressed in May 1937, shortly after his appointment as British Ambassador.
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Post by been-there » Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:56 pm

The British Duke of Edinburgh who is the husband of the Queen of England was interviewed regarding a book Royals and the Reich by Jonathan Petropoulos which explores this topic including his own immediate Royal family's sympathies for and connections with the Third Reich. E.g. three of his sisters — Sophie, Cecile and Margarita — became members of the NSDAP (now known pejoratively as the 'Nazi' party).

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Prince Philip in 1937 with his SS brothers-in-law at his sister Cecile's funeral.
Prince Philip has broken a 60-year public silence about his family's links with the Nazis. In a frank interview, he said they found Hitler's attempts to restore Germany's power and prestige "attractive" and admitted they had "inhibitions about the Jews".
The revelations come in a book about German royalty kowtowing to the Nazis, which features photographs never published in the UK. They include one of Philip aged 16 at the 1937 funeral of his elder sister Cecile, flanked by relatives in SS and Brownshirt uniforms. One row back in the cortege in Darmstadt, western Germany, was his uncle, Lord Mountbatten, wearing a Royal Navy bicorn hat.
Another picture shows his youngest sister, Sophia, sitting opposite Hitler at the wedding of Hermann and Emmy Göring.

Explaining the attraction of the Nazis, 84-year-old Prince Philip told an American academic:
"There was a great improvement in things like trains running on time and building. There was a sense of hope after the depressing chaos of the Weimar Republic. I can understand people latching on to something or somebody who appeared to be appealing to their patriotism and trying to get things going. You can understand how attractive it was."
He added that there was "a lot of enthusiasm for the Nazis at the time, the economy was good, we were anti-Communist and who knew what was going to happen to the regime?"
Philip stressed that he was never "conscious of anybody in the family actually expressing anti-Semitic views". But he went on to say there were 'inhibitions about the Jews" and "jealousy of their success".
Philip was born Prince of Greece and Denmark on Corfu in 1921, the youngest of five children and the only son of Prince Andrew of Greece and Princess Alice of Battenberg.

All four of his sisters married German princes and three - Sophie, Cecile and Margarita - became members of the Nazi party. Sophia's husband, Prince Christoph of Hesse, became chief of Göring's secret intelligence service and they were frequent guests at Nazi functions...
All of his sisters and brothers-inlaw are now dead but he keeps in contact with his German relatives.
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Philip's sister Sophie, right, opposite Hitler at the 1935 wedding of Göring.

Background:
For the first eight years of his life Prince Philip’s family lived in exile from Greece in Paris. Philip learned to speak English, French, and German, but no Greek. His family was royal – but not rich – and depended upon the charity of relatives and friends to feed, house, clothe, and educate them while in exile from their mother country.
In 1930-31, the family fell completely apart. All four of Philip’s sisters, who were educated in Germany, married German noblemen and moved to Germany. Then his father Prince Andrew abandoned his wife and Philip and ran off to live with his mistress on her yacht anchored in the Mediterranean off Monte Carlo where Andrew quickly became addicted to the gaming tables.
Philip’s mother collapsed under the strain. She suffered a nervous breakdown and was institutionalized in Switzerland at the famed Bellevue Sanatorium. That left little Philip all alone in Paris, with no one to care for him. He was only nine.
Philip was then sent to England to be cared for by his maternal grandmother. But then she died.
Next he moved in with his Uncle George, who, by 1938, was dead also. Philip was 17 at the time.
Then another of his maternal uncles, “Uncle Dickie” Lord Louis Mountbatten, British sea lord and the last Viceroy of India stepped in and took Philip under his wing.
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Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh as a boy with his parents and elder sisters

The British 'gutter' press likes to do stories on these 'Nazi' family connections from time to time. It sells well.
E.g.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/586 ... istory-war

This one from just six hours ago: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -past.html
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Post by been-there » Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:10 am

UK Channel Four TV will be showing a 'documentary' including an interview with Prince Philip’s nephew Prince Rainer von Hessen who shares the unpublished memoirs of his mother – Philip’s sister. In them she describes a private lunch with Hitler and her initial admiration for him. Her husband would become an SS colonel, and the head of one of the Nazi intelligence agencies.
Prince Philip’s older sister Sophie met Adolf Hitler and his henchman Hermann Göring after she married a German aristocrat.
In a previously unpublished memoir, written in her old age, she described how family friend Göring came for tea at her flat near Frankfurt before the Nazis rose to power.
She wrote: ‘He talked a lot about the new political party which he had joined, the “Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei”. He was very enthusiastic about it all, especially about the party leader, a man called Adolf Hitler. As Germany was going through hard times and there was a lot of poverty and general dissatisfaction everywhere, we were interested to hear about the great improvements his party was planning to do.’

Princess Sophie later met the Nazi leader at her home.
‘As Göring was insistent we should meet Hitler personally, we decided to ask him to lunch at our flat. I had been warned he was a vegetarian, and found it difficult to plan an appropriate meal. In those days we had a cook-housekeeper, which was just as well, as my ideas about cooking and housekeeping were fairly hazy (being only eighteen at the time). We settled for an assortment of vegetables which turned out to be a great success.
‘I have to say here, that, although Chri [her husband Prince Christoph von Hessen] and I changed our political view fundamentally some years later, we were impressed by this charming and seemingly modest man, and by his plans to change and improve the situation in Germany. This explains why Chri joined the SS in 1932, as his new friends had urged him to do.
In 1935 he was appointed head of the “Forschungsamt” [research bureau] of the Air Ministry. Its employees were pledged to secrecy and Chri never spoke about his work.’


Her meetings with Göring and Hitler appear to have taken place in 1931 or 1932.
Prince Christoph was killed in a plane crash in 1943. She died in 2001.
The couple married in 1930 when Sophie was 16.

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Princess Sophie of Greece and Denmark

Excerpts from her private memoir were read by the couple’s son – Prince Rainer von Hessen – as part of the Channel 4 Secret History documentary Prince Philip: the plot to make a King.
The programme is due to be shown at 9pm on July 30.

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Princess Sophie opposite Hitler at Görings wedding in 1935
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Prince Christoph of Hesse, the son of Prince Frederick Charles of Hesse and Princess Margaret of Prussia.
Born in Frankfurt, Prince Christoph was a great-grandson of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha through their eldest daughter Victoria, Princess Royal, wife of Frederick III, German Emperor.
He married Princess Sophie of Battenburg in 1930, making him the brother-in-law of Philip, the future husband of the future Queen of England.
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Post by been-there » Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:32 am

The House of Mountbatten is a European dynasty originating as a branch of the Germany princely Battenberg family.
The name was adopted during World War I by Battenbergs residing in Britain because of rising anti-German sentiment among the British public. The name is an Anglicisation of the German Battenberg, a small town in Hesse.

The family now includes the Marquesses of Carisbrooke and Milford Haven, as well as the Earls Mountbatten of Burma.

Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark, the consort of Queen Elizabeth II, adopted the surname of Mountbatten from his mother's family in 1947.
This again appears to be to distance himself from his paternal GERMAN family roots. The fact being that he is a member of the House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg by patrilineal descent.

To demonstrate how entwined all these families still are, the current head of the House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg and the entire House of Oldenburg since 1980 is the current titular Duke of Schleswig-Holstein and Duke of Glücksburg, Prince Christoph, (born 22 August 1949).
As a descendant of Queen Victoria and Alexander II of Russia, he is in the line of succession to the British throne.

Anyway, getting back to Prince Philip... and his percieved whiff of NSDAP-ism

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Prince Philip causes a stink in the royal box

Philip was born Prince Philippos of Greece and Denmark on June 10 1921 on Corfu. But he speaks no Greek, certainly has a lot more German than Greek ancestry and he does speak some German.
Get this, ...Philip - and of course all his sisters - were also non-British Royals who were great-great grandchildren of Queen Victoria.

From the age of eleven Philip was virtually orphaned. From the summer of 1932 until the spring of 1937, he neither saw nor received any word from his mother, not even a birthday card. “It’s simply what happened,” he said matter-of-factly. “The family broke up. My mother was ill, my sisters were married, my father was in the south of France. I just had to get on with it. You do. One does.”
When, years later, an interviewer asked him what language he had spoken at home as a child, he replied: “What do you mean, ‘at home’?”
Three times in the space of a year, Philip had been shuttled back and forth between England and Germany for the weddings of his sisters. He even briefly joined one of his German brother-in-law’s school at Salem Castle, one of the most elite schools in Europe. “He had little opportunity to make real friends and he spoke very little German,” recalled a master. “He was really very isolated.”
After two terms at Salem he was sent back to Britain, and to Gordonstoun boarding school.

Prior to that he had been educated at another British boarding school Cheam, in Surrey. A contemporary, John Wynne, remembers Philip as charming, gifted and unshowy. “When you think of all the problems he had being shovelled around, it was a remarkable achievement". He had “tremendous confidence from somewhere”.

Before his betrothal to Princess Elizabeth, her father, King George VI, had a discreet investigation carried out in 1945 by the then intelligence officer (and secret Soviet spy) Sir Anthony Blunt, to determine the extent of his sisters' involvement with the Nazi party. And also to check whether there was anything potentially damaging concerning the young Prince Philip himself. King George was protecting the British monarchy and he didn't want Princess Elizabeth his eldest daughter and heir to the throne marrying someone with an unknown 'Nazi' past.

But there wasn't much to find. Three of his four sisters and their German husbands had NSDAP membership. Two of Philip's brothers-in-law were the princes Philipp von Hesse and his brother Christoph von Hessen, and though they were members of the NSDAP they were also great-grandsons of Queen Victoria.
As detailed above Philip’s sister closest to him in age, Sophie had married Prince Christoph in 1930 and he was the relative who had held the highest rank within the NSDAP, becoming an SS colonel attached to Himmler’s personal staff. He also became the head of the Forschungsamt — an intelligence unit under the control of Hermann Göring. That's it. Nothing dastardly.
Despite this being the extent of Blunt's research, Philip’s future mother-in-law, Queen Elizabeth, later to become the Queen Mother, was initially opposed to the match and apparently referred to Prince Philip priv­ately at this time as “The Hun”.

Eventually Philip himself was deemed 'clean', though tainted by family association, and the marriage to the future Queen of England went ahead. Though the continued sensitivity surrounding his family connections to Nazi-member sisters and high ranking Nazi brother-in-laws resulted in all three of his then surviving older sisters, and his nephews and nieces being barred from attending his marriage to Princess Elizabeth in 1947. The only member of his family to be invited was his mother Princess Alice.

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Still to come.
Other British royals who also had links to the NSDAP were
- Baron Gunther von Reibnitz, the father of Princess Michael of Kent, who was himself a party member and an honorary member of the SS.
- And then there is apparently a brother of Princess Alice, a great-aunt to Queen Elizabeth, who was an NSDAP member who maintained that Hitler had done a "wonderful job".
- Then of course still to be mentioned is the abdicated King Edward VIII's connections to Hitler and his sympathy for NSDAP ideology.
- Also his wife Wallis Simpson's sympathies.
- There is the Christmas card sent to Hitler in 1938 by RJ Rosie, the physician to King George VI and HM The Queen.
-And then there is the 1933 'Sieg Heiling' Queen Elizabeth wife of George VI, later to become the Queen Mother (i.e. mother of the current Queen Elizabeth), who allegedly "detested" Churchill, who read 'Mein Kampf', plus who sent a copy of it to Lord Halifax before the war.
- Plus there is also the bisexual Prince George, Duke of Kent, younger brother of Kings Edward VIII and George VI who allegedly was at the home of the Duke of Hamilton waiting to meet Rudolf Hess and who had to be rushed from the scene due to the botched nature of Hess's arrival. He later died in August 1942 in mysterious circumstances, supposedly on a secret mission to Iceland but with a suitcase of Swedish cash handcuffed to his wrist.
Plus then there are all the pro-Nazi British aristocracy.
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Post by Charles Traynor » Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:02 pm

Thanks been-there, this is very interesting subject and I'm looking forward to reading any further installments you have planned.

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The celebrated English conductor and musician Sir Thomas Beecham, while shopping in Fortnum & Mason just after the end of world war two, was approached in a very friendly fashion by a woman who obviously knew him but whom he only vaguely recognised.

‘Sir Thomas, how are you?’ she asked.
He replied that he was fine and, still unable to put a name to the woman, fished for clues.

'How are you children?'
‘Fine.’

‘Ermmm, and your husband?’
‘Yes, he’s fine, too — still King.’







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