Forensic Psychiatry and the "Holocaust Syndrome"

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Forensic Psychiatry and the "Holocaust Syndrome"

Post by Friedrich Paul Berg » Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:51 pm

"Forensic psychiatry" may shed new light on "holocaust-belief." It deals with the "Stockholm Syndrome" and the accommodations people make to deal with imprisonment and torture and stress. It should be quite obvious to everyone active in this forum that no one was "gassed" by the Nazis and that the given holocaust story is an enormous pack of lies--but, how is such a pack of lies and of such vast magnitude possible? A sub-field of forensic psychiatry is actually called: "holocaust syndrome" and readers can easily find many interesting references by searching for those keywords.
The following is from an essay by A. Kimel http://akimel.net/syndrome.html
In the film Shoah, a witness describes how to the last moment the victims facing gassing, in the process of disrobing before entering the gas chambers, didn't believe in their forthcoming destruction, could not believe that in 30 minutes they will turn into ashes. Only the Holocaust Syndrome can adequately explains their behavior.

It was impossible to save people. One day, in 1943 when I was already in Crematorium 5, a train arrived from Bialystok. A prisoner from the "special detail" saw a woman in the "undressing room" who was the wife of a friend of his. He came right out and told her: " You are going to be exterminated. In three hours you will be ashes. The woman believed him because she knew him. She run all over and warned the other women. "We are going to get killed. We are going to be gassed." Mothers carrying their chidden on their shoulders didn't want to hear that. They decided that the woman was crazy. They chased her away. So she went to the men. To no avail. Not that they didn't believe her: they'd hears rumors in the Bialystok Ghetto, or in Grodno, and elsewhere. But who wanted to hear that! When she saw that no one would listen, she scratched her whole face. Out of despair. In shock. And she started to scream.

So what happened? Everyone was gassed. The woman was held back. We had to line up in front of the ovens. First, they tortured her horribly because she wouldn't betray him. In the end she pointed to him. He was taken out of the line and thrown alive into the oven. We were told: " Whoever tells anything will end like that."
Holocaust-belief should be seen as a serious mental disorder rather than merely as an historical dispute about events that may or may not have happened. The war is over and the key events are behind us but the mental disorder continues.

I suggest that many people when confronted by holocaust propaganda today, long after the war, are as helpless and as hopelessly trapped as any hostages or prisoners are. The German people with few exceptions react just as the Stockholm syndrome victims did. They are the real victims and react today by abandoning their rights as human beings, even imprisoning fellow Germans for merely disputing the holocaust hoax.

Much more research about this stunning but all-important phenomenon is needed.

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Re: Forensic Psychiatry and the "Holocaust Syndrome"

Post by Nessie » Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:35 pm

Alexander Kimel, Holocaust survivor, writer and poet. Not psychologist. There is nothing in his work that remotely suggests the Holocaust did not happen.

Actual academic studies have found survivor guilt and PTSD as the effects of living through the Holocaust.
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Re: Forensic Psychiatry and the "Holocaust Syndrome"

Post by Friedrich Paul Berg » Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:53 pm

Could it possibly be that "survivor guilt" is dealt with by lying in support of the hoax? Irene Zisblatt seems like a perfect example of that.

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Re: Forensic Psychiatry and the "Holocaust Syndrome"

Post by Nessie » Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:56 pm

Friedrich Paul Berg wrote:Could it possibly be that "survivor guilt" is dealt with by lying in support of the hoax? Irene Zisblatt seems like a perfect example of that.

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Will you be researching that possibility? Or are you just going to voice it as an unfounded doubt?
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Re: Forensic Psychiatry and the "Holocaust Syndrome"

Post by Friedrich Paul Berg » Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:04 pm

Well, it is rather obvious that Zisblatt is a "liar." And, as a self-described "survivor" she may well have some postwar propaganda induced "guilt" for having "survived." Maybe there is a connection? Is that possible, Nessie?

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Re: Forensic Psychiatry and the "Holocaust Syndrome"

Post by Nessie » Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:35 pm

Friedrich Paul Berg wrote:Well, it is rather obvious that Zisblatt is a "liar." And, as a self-described "survivor" she may well have some postwar propaganda induced "guilt" for having "survived." Maybe there is a connection? Is that possible, Nessie?

Well yes as survivor guilt has been established by studies, not just regarding the Holocaust.
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Re: Forensic Psychiatry and the "Holocaust Syndrome"

Post by DasPrussian » Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:07 pm

I think the denier community would be the best place to start if undergoing any form of forensic psychiatry studies. Apart from the well known fact that most have a political agenda, or are of german descent and therefore can't handle the shocking truth about their beloved fatherland, it is also noticable how so many also appear to hold similar views on 'Jewish Domination' issues. Or maybe this is just pure coincidental (ppffftttt yeah right).

Maybe it's just me, but has anyone else noticed how this movement also appears to attract a lot of mentally unbalanced individuals? David Irving being a prime example, not to mention the 'confused' and 'attention seeking' David Cole (nee Stein), Ernst Zundel ( crucifix carrying black and white minstrel wannabee) and Ditleib Felderer ( Jimmy Saville lookalike who sent pieces of hair and animal fat to Jews asking them to identify their relatives).

Then there are the outright white supremicists and racists like David Duke ( ex KKK member), Willis Carto, Richard Harwood ( nee Verrall), William McCalden ( nee Lewis Brandon) and even Mark Weber who used to be a member of the National Alliance.

Not forgetting the criminals ( most have a criminal record) and the murderers ( James Von Brunn).

So, what a motley collection of individuals we have. Maybe if studies were done individually on all these people, I wouldn't be surpised if the following findings were discovered :

1) Most of them suffered a traumatic childhood experience
2) Most of them have personality defects
3) Most show traces of paranoia, jealousy, narcissism.
4) Low IQ's
5) Most would have or still do smoke weed
6) Very few possess positive 'human' qualities such as warmth, understanding and empathy
7) 50% are of German/Austrian/Italian descent ( all WW2 fascist states)
8) 80% are Anti Jewish/Racist
9) All suffer from the well known 'cyclops' syndrome ( ie they have a one-eyed view of history)
10) All reside in cloud cuckoo land

There only appears to be one revisionist at the moment who doesn't seem to 'fit in' with the stereotypical denier image, and that's Carlo Mattogno. He must be very good at hiding his true feelings !!
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Re: Forensic Psychiatry and the "Holocaust Syndrome"

Post by Nessie » Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:16 pm

Then there is the study of why some people are susceptible to CTs.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/brai ... cret-plots

"It's important to not just dismiss conspiracy theorists as "cranks", "nutters" or any other term that allows you to laughingly dismiss them. Admittedly, an extreme conspiracy theorist may have some disorder driving their actions, such as anxiety disorder, paranoia, psychosis or others."
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Re: Forensic Psychiatry and the "Holocaust Syndrome"

Post by Friedrich Paul Berg » Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:14 pm

The Holocaust HOAX is the ultimate conspiracy theory--without a shred of forensic medical evidence to show that even one person was ever "gassed" or poisoned by the Nazis. Das Prussian should learn to walk before he tries to run.

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Re: Forensic Psychiatry and the "Holocaust Syndrome"

Post by DasPrussian » Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:24 pm

Do you possess any of them traits that I listed , Mr Berg ? Apart from the obvious one of being of German descent.
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