The alleged Rabbi Harry Waton appears to be from John MacMurray in his book The Clue to History.
It stood out the most because I have read a lot of biographies of Churchill and had never seen the quote before.I invite you to question why?
1. Why would you think the Churchill quote admitting Germany was fought against due to world-economic reasons is "dubious"?
2. Why wouldn't you be interested to check the sources that ARE referenced of Rabbi Paton admitting "the Jews" started the world war against Germany?
Could it be to do with 'confirmation bias'?
There is no evidence that "the Jews" started a world war against Germany.
No, just honesty and general knowledge.
I have already explained why this one stood out the most.Think about it. It would seem that you are only looking for evidence that fits with what you already believe. I.e. You suspected the quote was fake because it doesn't fit with your belief system. Then you looked for a source that told you it was fake. Then when you found one, you just accepted it as true without checking it. So this again looks like 'confirmation bias' in operation.
You have a tendency to always get person instead of staying on topic.Now there is no doubt. Definitely confirmation bias in operation.
For someone that constantly repeats 'confirmation bias', it is strange that you posted quotes that you had never even verified. Why? Because they suit your narrative.
When was it said? Provide some proof.Because firstly, who said this was uttered in Parliament?
I did and there is no reference. The quote is often misquoted because there is no original reference. There is no proof Churchill said or wrote it.And secondly, in the same discussion that you linked to, there is this that you have ignored:“"It is clear to me now that we have slaughtered the wrong pig".
In the news journal The New Statesman and Nation, volume 35, page 373, dated 28th August 1948.
It alludes to Churchill's touring bombed-out German cities in 1945.
Are you kidding me? I always look to verify things. Do you remember when you claimed that the Poles had massacres ethnic Germans before WW2? I asked for sources and you failed to provide any (the truth is that there were no massacres). Whenever I am in doubt something, I always try and verify it.Can you learn from this? Are you willing to try a different approach?
Instead of ONLY looking for information that fits the victor-propaganda conditioning that we have ALL been subjected to since childhood, instead try the empirical approach of attempting to falsify our beliefs.
You may be able to play mind games with some imbecile, but you do not fool me. Once I had found out it was fake, there was no reason to look any further. It's a fake quote used by revisionists to support their agenda.Here is what I suggest you just did. You wanted this to be fake, and so looked for evidence that said it was fake. And you even ignored evidence that didn't support your belief-system. Once you found 'evidence' that fitted what you wanted to find, you stopped looking further.
Indeed. So, stop using fake quotes to suit your beliefs.Reality is more important and more useful than our beliefs. Do you agree?
You so badly want the quote to be real to suit your own agenda. Perhaps you should take your own advice and start thinking "more objectively, more logically, more scientifically". What kind of idiot copies and pastes quotes without verifying them first?The image-quote — like much on the internet — is sloppily repeating something. Sure its sloppy, so doubting it is good, if your 'doubting' is consistently and impartially applied.
The question we SHOULD be asking is whether Churchill really did express something like this. We SHOULD NOT just be asking whether its in the parliamentary record, or whether a biased body dedicated to lionising the man includes it in its archive.
Try thinking more objectively, more logically, more scientifically. Less partisanly.
It's impossible for someone to have a civil debate with you since you always try and get personal.
Wishful thinking.The reality then is seen to be that the internet-meme/image-quote appears to be based on two different, genuine, and verifiable, sources but just worded innaccurately and given a wrong date.
I have checked every single source that is referenced for the two quotes. However, both are fake.A source for the 'wrong butchered pig' expression I have given you above.
The "Germany's unforgivable crime" apparently is from a conversation with Lord Boothby:
Are you prepared to check these citations?"Germany's unforgivable crime before the second world war," Churchill said “was her attempt to extricate her economic power from the world's trading system and to create her own exchange mechanism which would deny world finance its opportunity to profit."
-- Churchill to Lord Robert Boothby,
quoted in the Foreword, 2nd Ed. Sydney Rogerson, Propaganda in the Next War 2001, orig. 1938.
https://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/9-quote ... 17905856361. We butchered the wrong pig
According to numerous neo-Nazi websites, Winston Churchill later regretted his role in taking down the Nazis. The real enemy? The Soviet Union.
This quote was sent to me recently:
Germany’s unforgivable crime before the second world war was her attempt to extricate her economic power from the world’s trading system and to create her own exchange mechanism which would deny world finance its opportunity to profit. We butchered the wrong pig.
The claim made here by neo-Nazis is that Churchill didn’t want to go to war with Germany and was forced to do so by shadowy financial figures (read: Jews). With “butchered the wrong pig” we’re meant to assume that Churchill would’ve preferred fighting the Soviets. But the quote is completely fake.
This quote appears to have been invented in 2001 and inserted into the foreword to a new edition of a book first written in 1938, Propaganda in the Next War. Since the book is out of copyright and the original author is dead, the new foreword could’ve been written by any lunatic with an account on a self-publishing site.
All we know for sure is that the quote doesn’t appear anywhere before 2001.