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Media NEVER lets us forget it - Holocaust in the 'news'(?)

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A small selection of todays news (in the last 24 hours), Friday 10th January 2014.

Keeping the unexamined but uncritically accepted 'holocaust' paradigm high in the collective consciousness.

Don't you ever forget it.
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Ukrainian Holocaust memorial hit twelth time in 2 years. Israel National news. Israel.

Tel Aviv unveils memorial to gay holocaust victims. The Times of Israel. Israel.

Tel Aviv unveils first memorial to gay Holocaust victims The BBC. Britain.

Unseen Alfred Hitchcock Holocaust documentary to be released The Guardian, Britain.

Cellist son of Holocaust survivor honours the dead. The Guardian, Britain.

Holocaust remembered at peace Memorial Park, in Wigston Magna Leicester Mercury. Britain.

Holocaust Memorial Day to be marked in Kendal for the first time The Westmoreland Gazette. Britain.

Cop security review after Holocaust site defiled. The Local. Berlin. Germany.

Holocaust survivor, activist dies Florida Today. America.

French Court Upholds Ban on Comedian Who Mocks Holocaust Commemoration The New York Times. America.

Glendale High students hear story of Holocaust survivor Glendale. America.

Secretary Kerry has appointed Ambassador Stuart E. Eizenstat as his Special Adviser on Holocaust Issues US Govt. News Washington. America.

Long-lost diary of Nazi Alfred Rosenberg turned over to Holocaust Museum. The Washington Post. America.

Survivors tell story of death camp uprising, escape East Valley Tribune. America.

Holocaust Survivor's Gift Helps Students Montgomery College News. America.

Stonewall Jackson grad publishes Holocaust historical novel. Gainesville Times. America.

Holocaust memorial to be created in Debrecen. Hungary.

Japanese tour guide at Auschwitz. The Japan News. Japan.
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Talk about Strawman b*llsh*t! What's the point, been-there? That the International Jew Conspiracy has conspired to put 20 items on the last page of a few Israeli newspapers? The only one who consumes these tidbits are denier trolls searching for strawmen on the internet.

Personally, I missed every one of these items, but noted that there are over a million hits regarding Kevin Durant going off for 48 pts the other night vs the T-wolves.

So, lets see if I got this straight - one can find lots of obscure references to the Holocaust if one is willing to waste time searching the internet. Did I get that right, been-there? I am still not sure of the significance, but I am sure there is stuff about Jew conspiracies that flew right over my head. Set me straight, been-there, in case others also missed the point.

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Holocaust Survivor's Gift Helps Student ... America.

This is quite critical as the Montgomery College News has a readership that must rival the membership of the Vegan Hunters Chapter of the NRA. Its simply amazing that IJC brass are thorough enough to include The Montgomery College News in their international propaganda efforts.

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Dieudonne and his infamous quenelle - that story is not about the Holocaust as history or even about the Holocaust as an object of commemoration. That is, the story has nothing to do with the supposed premise of the OP. Rather, it is all about anti-Semitism in today's life in France and how a far-right, Jew-hating comedian-activist uses the Holocaust to help put over his agenda. Inclusion of this story in this inane list - Bernard nailed it citing the 1/2 million hits for a single sports event - shows that been-there is himself entangled in contemporary Jew-hatred - and unable even to understand the nature of what he posts.
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Stat Mack, I feel that been-there owes it to us to explain his motive for starting this thread. I, personally, find it difficult to believe that been-there really believes that a series of unrelated, minimally significant items, often tangentially related to the Holocaust, comprise a media conspiracy to brainwash the public.

An alternative explanation is that been-there is trolling and looking to have us give him attention for topics that are transparently meaningless. This is troubling, because been-there accuses us of trolling in every debate.

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Here's another of been-there's specious tidbits. He listed this one http://www.floridatoday.com/article/201 ... -?gcheck=1

Some Jew kicks the bucket in Florida and his obit in some local, smalltime rag mentions that he was a Holo-survivor. My, my, a Holocaust survivor dying in Florida. That is obviously part of the IJC. Obits don't even mention when Goyim kick off, or even when those very few Jews who are not Holo-survivors check out.

Come on, been-there. Tell us the point.

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Dieudonne and his infamous quenelle - that story is not about the Holocaust as history or even about the Holocaust as an object of commemoration. That is, the story has nothing to do with the supposed premise of the OP. Rather, it is all about anti-Semitism in today's life in France and how a far-right, Jew-hating comedian-activist uses the Holocaust to help put over his agenda. Inclusion of this story in this inane list - Bernard nailed it citing the 1/2 million hits for a single sports event - shows that been-there is himself entangled in contemporary Jew-hatred - and unable even to understand the nature of what he posts.
Sorry, to intervene on this very specific subject which is the first words of your post. The "Quenelle" means nothing more than "fuck you", or "get this in the arss". You are american, as i understood, so i suspect you don't know how things is done in France. In France, there is the CRIF - which is like the ADL and AIPAC together - to which every year, the whole political establishement want to/has to go to its annual dinner party. For this occasion, even the president -although this reunion is held in France - wears the Kippa and only talks about the beauty of Israel.
That is ok for me, as far as I am concerned.
The problem is that if one dares to point out that this dinner party may be over due, and illustrates the power of the Jewish lobby in France, you'll be anti semitic and the problems will start to fall over you. Unlike in the US, it is a crime of " anti semitic amalgame" to point this obvious fact publically.
The problem in France is that like 7 millions of citizens are muslim - like 12% - a bunch of citizens come from the former french african colonies, reunited they represent like 20% of the french population (with citizenship), maybe more. The Jews represent less than 1%, and the "Dieudonne affair" in which the Minister of the interior - whose wife is jewish and feels himslef tight to Israel -with the support of the president himself, takes this affair to a national level, but very personnal indeed, only illustrates the power of the community, power that is anti semitic to denounce.
Personnally, i am really affraid of the consequences of those silly actions, among which one finds a gesture like the "quenelle" which is over 10 years old, suddenly described as a "Nazi signs".

The Dieudonné case is indeed a very long story. But just that his name, barely known in France not so long ago, has come to rodoh.us, just shows the freaky malaise that is going on.

As you said, it has nothing to do with History. Dieudonné never declared himslef as a denier, but he has african roots, and cannot stand basically the fuss made about the "Industry", and the inegality of treatments of "crimes against humanity". The "Slave trade" between Europe, through Africa, to the Amerincan colonies went on for more than two centuries. He has like most people from everywhere in the world, a different stance, a different perception about historical events...and that is normal.

He was physqically assault at least 4 times in the last years, he lost everything...and yes he became a symbol which is crazy.
His fight is not against the Jews as a people, it is again the Jew as a Power, and especially when this power is over his country.

Never has been so much hatred against "Americans" in Europe, really. But it is about the american foreign policy, not the people....remember the silly "liberty fries" episode, because 13 years ago ( already), one could not order "French fries"?

I am sincerely scared, in my humble opinion, it is the worst mistake since the call for Boycot of German goods in 1933.
Anyway, don't take this "over the leg" as we say in french.

No time to say more, sorry.

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Sorry but there is a lot more to this story than you say. The quenelle has a different interpretation and usage than merely "fuck you," and you must know it. Further - best I can find quickly is Wiki - but when you try suggesting that Dieudonne has naught to do with denial, you run up against this: "Dieudonné's provocations culminated with the appearance of holocaust denier Robert Faurisson in one of his shows in 2008.[5][11] He has described Holocaust remembrance as 'memorial pornography'. He has been convicted in court eight times on antisemitism charges." And his crap invoking Dreyfus. And so on. Dieudonne is an intentional antisemitic provocateur. Please, be serious. The Jew as a Power . . . in France. That calls for angry attacks? Really? My point stands: this has nothing to do with the permeation of things Holocaust by the Powers That Be or the media pushing the Holocaust: it is about Dieudonne and French politics, which have an open antisemitic strain and which strain Dieudonne promotes. Sorry. He isn't some thoughtful critic of policy "pointing out" some imbalances or like that. He uses the hoary antisemitic cliche of "this power [of the Jews] over his country" to promote himself and his turn to the right.

My being American is beside the point. By the way. We are not all ignoramuses. Don't slap me with freedom fries. Seriously. I fought against that shit.

As though the German goods boycott was what provoked the Nazis and got them all hot and bothered! Jesus, you have me scratching my head.
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Jeez, Balsamo. I never thought of the 1936 boycott as being a mistake. It seems as though you are taking on the denier persona, or even worse, a Nazi mask. Are you suggesting that the Boycott, like Judea declaring war, represented the indiscretion of so-called International Jewry? You have got to be kidding. Only neo-Nazi wannabes would see the boycott as anything other than a pretext to initiate the brutality toward the Jews that was hardwired into the Nazi system from day one.

Stat Mack has it right. Not sure that I followed you in your analysis of the contemporary French episode with the comic. You mentioned that he was beaten up and lost everything. I should imagine that this has nothing to do with any peculiarities about the French political system, nor about the mysterious power of Jews. In America there are many comics who are "edgy" about race, but there are very subtle requirements to execute such a performance and I am guessing that Dieudonne failed to negogiate that subtlety. American limitations around racism are far more strict than those of Europe. I understand that European football fans often hurl racist abuse at African players. Stateside, such an indiscretion will get a fan killed before the words have fully exited his throat.

When a sportswriter responded to a mediocre performance from Asian basketballer, Jeremy Lin, with a headline in the NY Post reading, "Knicks have a chink in their armor," he was jobless within one day.

We live in a time when prejudice can get you into deep shit. I wouldn't whine on behalf of Dieudonne.

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Statistical Mechanic wrote: My being American is beside the point.
The French guy was just one of many so-called 'news' stories.
I could have found more.
We are contsantly bombarded with Holocaust 'news'.
The French guy is just one example of what happens when you poke fun at that.
Your being American might be extremely pertinent to the point.
It could explain why you appear NOT to be able to understand what the point of this thread actually is.
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