Open Thread for COMMENTS questions in new subforum

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Re: Open Thread for COMMENTS questions in new subforum

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Bobcat wrote: 07 Jul 2021, 21:03
Charles Traynor wrote: 06 Jul 2021, 18:06
been-there wrote: 05 Jul 2021, 20:40 I have closed the topic (debate?).
Good call. The debate started badly and degenerated from bad to worse from there on in.
The debate degenerated because Nessie was ignoring this reality:
Nessie:
I will accept that, if you accept that rule also applies to you
Bobcat:
OK, But If the rule applies to both of us, then it will be the ONLY additional rule added to these rules:

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Which Been-there allowed. And he also allowed Nessie to post this:
Unless you can link to and quote me clearly admitting that there is no archaeological proof of mass graves at TII, then it is proved that is a lie.
Which was a gross misinterpretation of the clarifying statement attached to the thread title.

Then Nessie was allowed to submit a post dodging this question:
The MAXIMUM number of discernable / measurable extant mass graves of Treblinka II that you can conclusively prove actually exist, and in which legitimate archaeologists have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - conclusively proven to currently contain the remains of at least 2 people; is no less than __?__.
which was filled with ad hominems and more inaccuracies than I can count. And in which, Nessie declared himself the winner and then ran away - which we all knew he would do.
I fully support been-there's handling of this farce debate. I consider both Nessie and you to have been bad actors in this instance.



Bobcat wrote: 07 Jul 2021, 21:03
...in which, Nessie declared himself the winner and then ran away - which we all knew he would do.

Nessie was always going to run. I was looking forward to watching him having to publicly humiliate himself by inventing excuses to abandon the debate as it progressed. You are more than capable of trashing that vile creature in open debate but instead you let him off the hook.

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Re: Open Thread for COMMENTS questions in new subforum

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Charles Traynor:
Nessie was always going to run... you let him off the hook.
You don't know the extent of what I wrote that was not allowed to be posted. Even my last post disappeared after I attempted to edit it.

I never criticized Been-there for his handling of the "debate" even though he misunderstand the rules thing, which really was the reason why it never got on track from the get go.

You are welcome to volunteer to moderate a debate between Nessie and me in the open debate section.
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Re: Open Thread for COMMENTS questions in new subforum

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A debate between us does not need moderating. It just needs you to answer my questions. It is not a debate if it only me answering your questions.
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Re: Open Thread for COMMENTS questions in new subforum

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Nessie wrote: 14 Jul 2021, 15:40 A debate between us does not need moderating. It just needs you to answer my questions. It is not a debate if it only me answering your questions.
Nessie;
You claim that I have admitted there is no archaeological proof of mass graves at TII.
That you have Nessie:
"You [Werd] have been repeatedly told that there are no massive pits for Staffs Uni nor anyone else to find."

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How can there be archaeological proof of mass graves at Treblinka II if "there are no massive pits for Staffs Uni nor anyone else to find"?
"They [the alleged mass grave of TII] have disappeared now."

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How can there be archaeological proof of mass graves at Treblinka II if "They have disappeared now"?
"I have repeatedly said that those 5 or 6 massive rectangular pits have disappeared. They are not there any more. "

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How can there be archaeological proof of mass graves at Treblinka II if "those 5 or 6 massive rectangular pits have disappeared" and "They are not there any more"?
"#50 - The MAXIMUM number of the 11 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves of Treblinka II identified by The N.A.F.H. that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 19 people; is no less than __?__."

...My actual answer is 0, because none of the 11 pits identified have been unearthed."

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How can there be archaeological proof of mass graves at Treblinka II if your answer to the above question is "0"?
Nessie:
As for trash pits, they have been found as well... They are not phantom trash pits
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So which areas in yellow are the alleged "huge mass graves" and which ones are the alleged trash pits?

Nessie:
I don't know for certain.
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How can there be archaeological proof of mass graves at Treblinka II if you "don't know for certain" which ones are the alleged mass graves and which ones are trash pits? Which means that you don't know for certain if any of them have been proven to be a mass grave.
Bobcat seems surprised I said that archaeology does not prove what happened at TII.

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How can there be archaeological proof of mass graves at Treblinka II if "archaeology does not prove what happened at TII"?

Now Nessie, you challenged me to quote you admitting there is no archaeological proof of mass graves at Treblinka II; which I have just done above. However, if you have changed your mind and now believe that there is archaeological proof of mass graves at Treblinka II, then I challenge you to answer the following simple question:

The MAXIMUM number of discernable / measurable extant mass graves of Treblinka II that you can unambiguously identify and conclusively prove actually exist, and in which legitimate archaeologists have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - conclusively proven to currently contain the remains of at least 2 people; is no less than __?__.

And Nessie's answer is: __?__
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Re: Open Thread for COMMENTS questions in new subforum

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Nessie:

I have repeatedly said that those 5 or 6 massive rectangular pits have disappeared.

They have disappeared now... I cannot draw the pits [On a map - but, but, but:]

That there are no mass graves now does not mean there were none in the first place.

The original mass graves of TII do not exist anymore.

There are no massive pits at TII since the Nazis destroyed them.

I had actually said they had disappeared.

They are not there any more.
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